Board 8 > gets offended

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suddenly believes he has a unique perspective of life worth anyone's time

i kind of hate how prevalent this mindset has become

this random topic brought to you buy a GAF topic about persona 4
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Thanks for your unique perspective
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Weakupedia posted...

GAF

I think I've identified your problem. >_>
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foolm0r0n posted...

Thanks for your unique perspective

clever.
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Patrick Klepek not as relevant as he was a year ago.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Patrick Klepek not as relevant as he was a year ago.

is that what happens when you take on a bigger role at a larger company
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iiicon posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

Patrick Klepek not as relevant as he was a year ago.

is that what happens when you take on a bigger role at a larger company

Somehow. I'm confused, too.
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Why is anyone still getting offended by Persona 4?
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swirIdude posted...

Why is anyone still getting offended by Persona 4?

People are still offended by my P4 opinions on Rise and Yukiko

swirIdude posted...

Why is anyone still getting offended by Persona 4?

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1362739
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He seems pretty reasonable. You seem triggered. I take it this has been brought up to death? Why not just ignore it? Again, at least he's reasonable.
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I don't even know what this is about
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That pretty much describes the "being offended is offensive!" culture that's risen up in the past few years.
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BowserCuffs posted...

That pretty much describes the "being offended is offensive!" culture that's risen up in the past few years.

It makes me feel like an old man thinking the younger generation is crazy
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People like weaku aren't actually offended at people being offended, they're offended at people having different opinions/thoughts in general. They're totally cool with people who are offended at things they agree are offensive.
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foolm0r0n posted...

People like weaku aren't actually offended at people being offended, they're offended at people having different opinions/thoughts in general. They're totally cool with people who are offended at things they agree are offensive.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD
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also i never said he was being unreasonable or anything, nor did i assert that there is no place for discussion on these things

but I'll let foolmo lead you guys with his brilliant insights
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I'm done
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ninkendo posted...

BowserCuffs posted...

That pretty much describes the "being offended is offensive!" culture that's risen up in the past few years.

It makes me feel like an old man thinking the younger generation is crazy

I just remember a time when you could actually discuss something as offensive and people would argue on that merit, instead of going "Oh, you're offended? kek!"

The internet's gotten stupider, which is saying something. It feels like the youtube/yahoo comment section is bleeding out into the rest of the internet.
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i am offended that paper is white and not yellow like the color of my skin

does that merit serious discussion
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Weakupedia posted...

i am offended that paper is white and not yellow like the color of my skin

does that merit serious discussion

More than being offended that other people are offended, tbh. :P
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yo go to a doctor if your skin is yellow
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Personally, I'm not offended that people are offended, I'm just offended that people think being offended gives them the right to use force against other people or control their behavior. That's the real thing that's changed about offense in the past ten years.
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Being offended by a video game and whining about it on the internet is sheer idiocy. You're only inviting people who like it to rightfully bash you for being a thin-skinned snowflake.

ninkendo posted...

BowserCuffs posted...

That pretty much describes the "being offended is offensive!" culture that's risen up in the past few years.

It makes me feel like an old man thinking the younger generation is crazy

There are lots of worthless morons in their 20s and sometimes even early 30s, but the teens are alright, and will improve the world when their time comes.
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JDPizza posted...

Personally, I'm not offended that people are offended, I'm just offended that people think being offended gives them the right to use force against other people or control their behavior. That's the real thing that's changed about offense in the past ten years.

Except that's literally nothing new, and has even been celebrated in some cultures.

Think about how many Wild West movies show the good guy shooting someone for insulting their honor.

Think about how, in Norse cultures, having your honor insulted was a justifiable reason for killing the person who insulted you.

Today, free speech is practically consequence free. Nowadays, you can type "Lol look at this Jewish family upset that their menorah was turned into a Swastika" and people will leap to your defense the moment someone gets upset.

People with offensive opinions have literally never been so sheltered outside of tyrannical regimes where their opinions have been the majority, to the point where using your free speech to react to someone else's free speech is taken as an infringement on their free speech.

Being banned from a website isn't an infringement of free speech though, for the record.
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mycro post detected
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It's definitely true that a bunch of the new Golden cutscenes were bad! Probably worse than anything in the original. Plenty of awesome new stuff too though.
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I didnt realize weaku was a simpson
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MycroProcessor posted...

-snip-

You bring up quite a few good points, and I don't think we disagree as much as you'd think.

For starters, the doxxers are definitely a very big issue, and yes, on both sides of the fence. I don't support doxxing in any form.

That being said, I disagree that free speech isn't relatively consequence free in this day and age. Socially, racism has started rising (but under euphemistic names and with the denial that it is racism) and people are starting t odefend racist and, yes, even neo-nazi ideology under free speech. Speech which, to be blunt, has a direct connection with violent actions against minorities is not "free speech". I would also argue that the same applies even when the victims aren't minorities.

And horseshoe ideology is in full effect - it's why I say SJWs and Anti-SJWs are the same thing, because they honestly are. It's just that one tends to be more honestly racist (the Anti-SJWs) and the other tends to be dishonestly racist (the SJWs).

More and more, people are starting to openly come out honestly endorsing Nazi ideology. And I don't mean in the sense of "Oh, they eat bread with butter, and so did Hitler, so they're nazis", I mean in the sense of "They're saying that Hitler was a good person and the Jews are evil".

That can only happen in an environment that coddles offensive opinions and protects them from the consequences of their actions. That is why I said that free speech is relatively consequence free in this day and age. Yes, you can be doxed, lose your job, and so forth, and that's bad... and yet that's happened to people pre-internet, too - it comes out that Joe is a KKK member, so businesses refuse to hire him, or it comes out that Jane is a hippie PETA member, so she can't find a job in her rural community which makes its living off of farming. Or Brett said something that offended Bob and Bob said that Brett was a Gay Nazi and makes fake evidence for that, so Brett loses his job through no fault of his own.

The difference in a post-internet society is that things are more public and mob mentality now applies to a wider audience.
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expressing criticism is not taking offense


that's really all that needed to be said in this topic
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MycroProcessor posted...

I've seen so many people lose their jobs / doxxed / had just general shit they said used against them, over the most minor of things. That doesn't make their opinion go away, just makes them afraid to express it anymore, which is fucking dumb.

The reality today is, if you have ever expressed an "offensive" opinion, you're at huge risk of having your entire life screwed over, whether by "SJWs" or "alt right trolls" or really whatever volatile group feels that justice needs to be done against someone for words they said one time. Witchhunting these days is insane, it's like mccarthyism on steroids except applied to everyone in the world, and 50x worse because the internet makes info travel so fast and makes it so easy to look up someone's history.

Yeah, this is what I'm talking about. Well said.
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this topic offends me
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Tom Bombadil posted...

this topic offends me

Falling from the sky
It says the sky is falling
Precious flake of snow

No offense though, I just couldn't let a good haiku idea go to waste. >_>
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MycroProcessor posted...

As I see it free speech is FAR from consequence free these days. Perhaps legally, but definitely not socially

It's too bad most people don't realize it and just prefer posting that god-awful XKCD comic ( https://xkcd.com/1357/ )
And totally missing the point
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Should I be?
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Nanis23 posted...

MycroProcessor posted...

As I see it free speech is FAR from consequence free these days. Perhaps legally, but definitely not socially

It's too bad most people don't realize it and just prefer posting that god-awful XKCD comic ( https://xkcd.com/1357/ )
And totally missing the point

No, there's a pretty big difference between saying that exercising free speech has consequences, and what you have repeatedly claimed in the past: that actions taken by non-governmental entities are violating free speech that aren't. Or to put it another way, that XKCD comic doesn't actually dispute what Mycro just said, nor does it attempt to.
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Yeah, but I think the overall point is, a lot of us don't want to live in a society where your job or wealth can stripped from you for saying the wrong thing. We just want to be free, darnit.
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No one was claiming that, but to expect literally zero consequences from your actions is also unreasonable.

Trust me, there's a reason Nanis brought up that specific point now when no one else did.
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kevwaffles posted...

to expect literally zero consequences from your actions is also unreasonable.

Yeah, much in the same way that expecting world peace is unreasonable.

You'll never reach it if you don't try.
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JDPizza posted...

kevwaffles posted...

to expect literally zero consequences from your actions is also unreasonable.

Yeah, much in the same way that expecting world peace is unreasonable.

You'll never reach it if you don't try.

So if I own a business and hang a sign that says "Jews are not welcome", your ideal world is that that is completely consequence free, even insofar as to not even losing customers?
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Yeah, sorta. Voluntaryism says it's not my place to dictate other people's behavior or get offended on other people's behalf.

I mean, there are already gay bars that don't admit women. >_>
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JDPizza posted...

Yeah, sorta. Voluntaryism says it's not my place to dictate other people's behavior or get offended on other people's behalf.

I mean, there are already gay bars that don't admit women. >_>

lol what? Chicks love gay bars. That sounds like a poor business decision.

Also fucking XD at vlado "teenagers are awesome and HOT and will change the world." This dude is such a kek sjw snowball or whatever it is people say.
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JDPizza posted...

Yeah, sorta. Voluntaryism says it's not my place to dictate other people's behavior or get offended on other people's behalf.

I mean, in that hypothetical I literally just told any Jewish customers I had to not come back.

But ignoring that, I'm not telling you to dictate their behavior one way or another. If people have the right to choose whether or not to return to my business because anything else would be mandated behavior, then why on earth should I assume that no one would make that choice to not return?
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

lol what? Chicks love gay bars. That sounds like a poor business decision.

Yeah, I've never heard of that, but it sounds unbelievably stupid to do.
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kevwaffles posted...

I mean, in that hypothetical I literally just told any Jewish customers I had to not come back.

Well, to be fair, under voluntaryism, they would have no requirement to obey you. All you could do is make your preference known. >_>
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I mean, the point of the voluntaryism is to avoid the use of force for any reason, including taxes, justice, and defense. It's the only true path to peace, because any path that uses force to obtain peace has already broken the peace.
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I always follow the Paragon route to achieve peace, but sometimes there are instances when you have to stop the Geth from murdering a diplomat in order to prevent further deaths.
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JDPizza posted...

I mean, the point of the voluntaryism is to avoid the use of force for any reason, including taxes, justice, and defense. It's the only true path to peace, because any path that uses force to obtain peace has already broken the peace.

Ok, nevermind. You are even dumber and more misguided than the Tinkers.
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JDPizza posted...

I mean, the point of the voluntaryism is to avoid the use of force for any reason, including taxes, justice, and defense. It's the only true path to peace, because any path that uses force to obtain peace has already broken the peace.

When did I mention the use of force? Unless you're proposing that force be used to control an individuals otherwise voluntary participation in a business, that doesn't enter into this equation.

Free will cuts both ways, bud. Not allowing that your exercise in free will won't cause others not to exercise free will in a manner that is not favorable to you to some degree is tantamount to a child's perception of human interaction.
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