Poll of the Day > why can't jobs just post their fucking pay on their postings

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it's so fucking annoying

i don't want to apply for a job without knowing the pay
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The last job I applied for that posted the pay they said we dont actually pay that, I have no idea why they put that in the ad and I was like o_o

wow that's really fucking uncool
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Because they will still get hundreds or depending on the job thousands of applicants and then they can lowball them all, and choose the ones that will accept the lowest amounts.

Because it's an employers market right now and has been for quite along time.
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wolfy42 posted...

Because they will still get hundreds or depending on the job thousands of applicants and then they can lowball them all, and choose the ones that will accept the lowest amounts.

Because it's an employers market right now and has been for quite along time.

they'll still get tons of applicants even posting the pay >=|
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It's unfortunate that pay matters and that performing any function that contributes isn't viable for self-sufficiency. Most of the jobs currently available are in severe need of competent employees but many those fields are erroneously treated as unskilled.

It's almost like any job that benefits someone is a good job but we are missing that somehow.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

It's unfortunate that pay matters and that performing any function that contributes isn't viable for self-sufficiency. Most of the jobs currently available are in severe need of competent employees but many those fields are erroneously treated as unskilled.

It's almost like any job the benefits someone is a good job but we are missing that somehow.

capatilism

Jen0125 posted...

they'll still get tons of applicants even posting the pay >=|

I'd rather get paid just enough for fun living without being excessive than work without enjoying life to have so much but none of the time to enjoy any of it.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

they'll still get tons of applicants even posting the pay >=|

I'd rather get paid just enough for fun living without being excessive than work without enjoying life to have so much but none of the time to enjoy any of it.

Id rather live on the beach without a job on the money from a small inheritance

MICHALECOLE posted...

Id rather live on the beach without a job on the money from a small inheritance

At least give me rub downs when I'm on vacation from cooking breakfast.
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Jen0125 posted...

i don't want to apply for a job without knowing the pay

I agree to an extent, but I don't feel like I really need to know beforehand. The only reason I'd really care to know is so that I don't have to play their negotiation guessing game. Most of the time though I seem to be in the right ballpark cause I tend to aim pretty low (but "low" by the standards of the career I'm going for is still more than livable).

SunWuKung420 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

they'll still get tons of applicants even posting the pay >=|

I'd rather get paid just enough for fun living without being excessive than work without enjoying life to have so much but none of the time to enjoy any of it.

what does this have to do with what i said
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Chewster posted...

Jen0125 posted...

i don't want to apply for a job without knowing the pay

I agree to an extent, but I don't feel like I really need to know beforehand. The only reason I'd really care to know is so that I don't have to play their negotiation guessing game. Most of the time though I seem to be in the right ballpark cause I tend to aim pretty low (but "low" by the standards of the career I'm going for is still more than livable).

i need a certain amount of pay in order to pay my bills i already have. so it's nice to know for me so i don't waste my time.
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Maybe they have to adjust your pay based on your qualifications, your education, and your previous work experience, which is why they can't give a straight answer for everyone.
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EclairReturns posted...

Maybe they have to adjust your pay based on your qualifications, your education, and your previous work experience, which is why they can't give a straight answer for everyone.

The most logical reason. Pay shouldn't be a defining factor anyways.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

defining factor

In Jen's case, it definitely is, though.
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pay is the defining factor for a lot of people as to why they have to work

that's just reality
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EclairReturns posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

defining factor

In Jen's case, it definitely is, though.

Jen0125 posted...

pay is the defining factor for a lot of people as to why they have to work

that's just reality

Clearly, a chosen existence. We are our builders, we create our society. Aren't we in charge of our fate and destiny?

But pay shouldn't be why we work. If you consider it truly, all jobs are important. We all need each other. There could be only 2 of us or 2 of all of us, the need for each other doesn't change.

I don't make my own shirts and I cook for many that don't cook for themselves.

Some make cars, some fix them. Farmers, builders, healers, workers, organizers, educators, etc., every single one has a place and a need, a value, no one more important than the other.
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That's why I hate when they ask "pay desired" when you apply, it's literally them seeing if they can get you to low ball yourself.

bro not everyone can afford to live on diner cook salary, sorry
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I hate when sunny tries to be profound.

Also, yeah, it should be mandatory to put the pay in postings

SkynyrdRocker posted...

I hate when sunny tries to be profound.

Also, yeah, it should be mandatory to put the pay in postings

me too. i have no clue where he's coming in with this. no one said all jobs aren't important. no one gives a shit how he feels about living on his diner cook pay.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Clearly, a chosen existence. We are our builders, we create our society. Aren't we in charge of our fate and destiny?

oh my god shut up

SunWuKung420 posted...

Pay shouldn't be a defining factor anyways.

It is in many cases, though. Mainly because people still need to be able to pay all their bills.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

But pay shouldn't be why we work. If you consider it truly, all jobs are important. We all need each other. There could be only 2 of us or 2 of all of us, the need for each other doesn't change.

I smell a communist!

SunWuKung420 posted...

I don't make my own shirts and I cook for many that don't cook for themselves.

Some make cars, some fix them. Farmers, builders, healers, workers, organizers, educators, etc., every single one has a place and a need, a value, no one more important than the other.

Is that how you justify your 30 hour week semi-housewifery to your wife?
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SunWuKung420 posted...

EclairReturns posted...

Maybe they have to adjust your pay based on your qualifications, your education, and your previous work experience, which is why they can't give a straight answer for everyone.

The most logical reason. Pay shouldn't be a defining factor anyways.

what covers the bills and allows you to live?

if it's not your pay, it's someone else's pay, and care of the hard work of your spouse you have the luxury to give no fucks about it

most do not have that luxury
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Nom nom nom
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DeathMagnetic80 posted...

That's why I hate when they ask "pay desired" when you apply, it's literally them seeing if they can get you to low ball yourself.

Welcome to the world of capitalism the entire point of this system is you can pay half for someone for the same job as another guy is doing. That's how things work once you get out of the minimum wage realm for the most part.
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Monopoman posted...

Welcome to the world of capitalism the entire point of this system is you can pay half for someone for the same job as another guy is doing. That's how things work once you get out of the minimum wage realm for the most part.

The entire point is you demand the pay you're worth and get paid it because you're worth it.
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Shut the f***k up jen

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Monopoman posted...

Welcome to the world of capitalism the entire point of this system is you can pay half for someone for the same job as another guy is doing. That's how things work once you get out of the minimum wage realm for the most part.

The entire point is you demand the pay you're worth and get paid it because you're worth it.

All positions are of worth!
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

I smell a communist!

3:09-3:12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ6_GdODuww" data-time="&start=189
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I have done many jobs, I have also commuted a long way for some jobs (at one point I was insane enough to commute from Hayward CA to San Jose CA, and due to traffic that could take 2 hours each way). I was young then.

Anyway, my point is simply that no matter how much I made, I was happiest doing jobs that I enjoyed or found rewarding. I tried to like all my jobs, but yeah, if you commute more then 30 minutes each way, that is already starting off with a negative (unless you love rush hour traffic then someone needs to clone your brain).

As far as being able to live comfortably, as long as you don't have kids, you can do that with almost any job, even part time. You might not have an expensive house, or even an apartment (you might have to have roomates, but given time you can find friends that you like living with, or a significant other to share the costs), but you can make enough to have a good/fun life and actually like what you do.

Not saying making more money isn't good, just saying that doing so at the expense of spending a large amount of your time doing a job you hate or at least don't like, isn't worth it.

If you have kids, then you are responsible for them and that changes (although I would still suggest that with effort and time you'll find a job you don't mind that pays enough to give them a good life).

Otherwise, take the job at gamestop if you love video games and work your way up to assistant manager or manager of a store over years if need be. Work at a job teaching people to mountain climb in San Fran if you love climbing, get a job teaching students music if that is where your heart is, or cook, even if they get almost no tips, cook somewhere that serves food you enjoy making and feel pride in serving.

There is always a way to find a job that you don't hate, that will pay your bills. Too many people get so wrapped up on making as much money as they can, that they end up spending much of their time miserable. I have seen it with a ton of new attorneys for instance, they spend so much time, effort and money working to be an attorney and then find out they hate it. Kinda hard to just throw your hands up and do something else, but quite a few do even so.
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wolfy42 posted...

There is always a way to find a job that you don't hate, that will pay your bills. Too many people get so wrapped up on making as much money as they can, that they end up spending much of their time miserable.

Here is the hobbyist catch 22: When you can't afford to do your hobby you are miserable, but to afford your hobby, you need a well-paying miserable job.

SunWuKung420 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Monopoman posted...

Welcome to the world of capitalism the entire point of this system is you can pay half for someone for the same job as another guy is doing. That's how things work once you get out of the minimum wage realm for the most part.

The entire point is you demand the pay you're worth and get paid it because you're worth it.

All positions are of worth!

I don't eat breakfast, so...
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I don't know about that. I feel like once I have to do something as a job, I find it much less enjoyable. I'd rather not ruin the things I like by making those things work. Either way, I would probably rather make more money. I would be happier if I would stop stressing out all the time, tbh...
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I actually prefer when they do that. Hit them with your salary requirements in your resume. If they call/email you can safely assume they are willing to match it.

I have three separate resumes for this very reason.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

I don't eat breakfast, so...

I don't live in a welded building. You'll never hear me say "welders are useless and no better than trained monkeys".
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Learn the going rate of whatever the hell it is you do.

Also stop being such an annoying person and maybe someone will hire you.

Then again this is what happens when you act like a degenerate leech on society.
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EclairReturns posted...

Maybe they have to adjust your pay based on your qualifications, your education, and your previous work experience, which is why they can't give a straight answer for everyone.

Almost every job posting with a listed pay posts a range rather than a fixed number.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

I don't eat breakfast, so...

I don't live in a welded building. You'll never hear me say "welders are useless and no better than trained monkeys".

If you own a car, that's welded. If you have a metal chair, that's welded. Your work establishment? Welds. Unless of course you're serving breakfast out of a wooden shack, which I wouldn't put past you.
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oh god are we still on about this welding shit
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bossjony posted...

Shut the f***k up jen

No
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wolfy42 posted...

I have done many jobs, I have also commuted a long way for some jobs (at one point I was insane enough to commute from Hayward CA to San Jose CA, and due to traffic that could take 2 hours each way). I was young then.

Anyway, my point is simply that no matter how much I made, I was happiest doing jobs that I enjoyed or found rewarding. I tried to like all my jobs, but yeah, if you commute more then 30 minutes each way, that is already starting off with a negative (unless you love rush hour traffic then someone needs to clone your brain).

As far as being able to live comfortably, as long as you don't have kids, you can do that with almost any job, even part time. You might not have an expensive house, or even an apartment (you might have to have roomates, but given time you can find friends that you like living with, or a significant other to share the costs), but you can make enough to have a good/fun life and actually like what you do.

Not saying making more money isn't good, just saying that doing so at the expense of spending a large amount of your time doing a job you hate or at least don't like, isn't worth it.

If you have kids, then you are responsible for them and that changes (although I would still suggest that with effort and time you'll find a job you don't mind that pays enough to give them a good life).

Otherwise, take the job at gamestop if you love video games and work your way up to assistant manager or manager of a store over years if need be. Work at a job teaching people to mountain climb in San Fran if you love climbing, get a job teaching students music if that is where your heart is, or cook, even if they get almost no tips, cook somewhere that serves food you enjoy making and feel pride in serving.

There is always a way to find a job that you don't hate, that will pay your bills. Too many people get so wrapped up on making as much money as they can, that they end up spending much of their time miserable. I have seen it with a ton of new attorneys for instance, they spend so much time, effort and money working to be an attorney and then find out they hate it. Kinda hard to just throw your hands up and do something else, but quite a few do even so.

Working at Gamestop 6-12 hours a week isn't going to pay me the minimum $1600 a month I need to pay my bills just because I don't have children. This isn't La La Land.
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I thought you had a good job Jen
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@Judgmenl posted...

Learn the going rate of whatever the hell it is you do.

Also stop being such an annoying person and maybe someone will hire you.

Then again this is what happens when you act like a degenerate leech on society.

What are you even talking about? I know the pay for what I do but I don't want to do what I currently do anymore.

How am I a "degenerate leech on society?" How am I a degenerate at all? You literally live in a room filled with dog shit. If anyone is a degenerate it's you.

And haven't you been literally fired from jobs because your coworkers don't like you? You're also the annoying one lmao
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Blighboy posted...

I thought you had a good job Jen

I don't want to do claims anymore. After all the treatment I've gotten I don't like the negative customer service aspect of it. Everyone I talk to on the phone is just a giant asshole all the time and it's the last thing that is making me unhappy. I'm trying to find something else even if I have to take a paycut but I do have a floor income I have to have in order to not default on my bills.
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Judgmenl posted...

Also stop being such an annoying person and maybe someone will hire you.

https://gph.to/2OP177j

Weren't you fired due to your personality in the workplace?
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