Current Events > National bans on spanking/slapping children linked to less youth violence

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https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-10/b-nbo101118.php

National bans on parents slapping or spanking their children to punish them for bad behaviour are linked to lower rates of youth violence, reveals an international study published in the online journal BMJ Open.

Countries that prohibit corporal punishment at home and at school have rates of physical fighting among young men and women that are 42 to 69 per cent lower than in countries without any such bans in place, the findings show.

Slapping is still considered an acceptable way of disciplining a child in many parts of the world. But a growing body of evidence suggests that it may be detrimental to a child's health and wellbeing and perpetuate a cycle of violence through successive generations.

To find out if national bans might affect rates of youth violence around the globe, the researchers drew on data from longstanding surveys of teen behaviour for 88 countries-the World Health Organization Health Behaviour in School Aged Children (HBSC) study and the Global School Based Health Survey (GSHS).

The surveys included a question on whether, and how often, the respondent had been involved in a physical fight over the past 12 months. At the time of the analysis, the 88 countries were home to around 46 per cent of the world's teens.

Thirty countries had implemented a full ban on corporal punishment at school and at home; 38 had a partial ban (schools only); and 20 had no bans in place.

Analysis of the survey responses showed that frequent physical fighting was more than three times as common among young men as it was among young women. And it varied widely by country, ranging from less than 1 per cent among Costa Rican young women to nearly 35 per cent among young men from Samoa.

In countries were full bans were in force, the prevalence of physical fighting was 69 per cent lower among young men and 42 per cent lower among young women than it was in countries without any ban.

In countries operating a partial ban, which include the UK, the USA, and Canada, the prevalence of physical violence was lower only among young women (56%).

These associations held true even after taking account of other potentially influential factors, such as national wealth, the murder rate, and social programmes aiming to curb teens' exposure to violence at home and at school.

Let's not forget that every study done on this subject in the last 10 years all conclude that not only is spanking not necessary, but it is also damaging:

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking.aspx

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/201802/the-spanking-debate-is-over

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3768154/

It's almost like if you don't model violence to kids they won't repeat violence. Huh.
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Entitlement and thin skin however are at an all time high

inb4 i got spanked as a kid and grew just fine
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Of course hitting your child is child abuse.
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what if you pick up one of your children and swing him to hit the other one
is that like a two negatives cancel out situation
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BUT MUH MURICAN BOOTSTRAPS

MAH DADDEH WHIPPED ME WITH A BELT AND I TURNED OUT GREAT

*cleans guns while muttering darkly about the libs*
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yeah but
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Kids know they can get away with just about anything those days and because they know that they have no respect for authority, it's the reason younger generation are the arrogant entitle little tw-ts they currently are.

Yeah seems pretty obvious - if you teach your kids that you deal with behavior you dont like by being violent, of course theyre going to be violent against others.
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The Trent posted...

what if you pick up one of your children and swing him to hit the other one
is that like a two negatives cancel out situation

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And more parents will don't care if their children cry at public.
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aki_sora posted...

And more parents will don't care if their children cry at public.

What?
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The fact that some people think that not spanking means not disciplining is so crazy to me

Like there are a million ways to discipline a kid without fear of pain
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

The fact that some people think that not spanking means not disciplining is so crazy to me

Like there are a million ways to discipline a kid without fear of pain

The problem is a lot of parents don't parent and take the "easy" route of pain for discipline. Plus their parents did it to them so what could go wrong?
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hitler was spanked by his parents

Mr_Biscuit posted...

The fact that some people think that not spanking means not disciplining is so crazy to me

Like there are a million ways to discipline a kid without fear of pain

Yeah definitely takes a special type of person to think physical pain is the only form of discipline
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in other news water is wet
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UnfairRepresent posted...

in other news water is wet

For you and me sure, but many people still think physical violence towards children as punishment is a okay.
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SageHarpuiaHX posted...

Entitlement and thin skin however are at an all time high

I see no problems here

Clearly, perpetuating less violence is going to lead to, well, decreased violence, especially when parents are modeling it.

If you have to spank your kids, they dont respect you, they fear you. Fear and respect are not equivalent and children should not grow up wanting others to fear them.
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Because this isn't a complex issue with tons of variables.

SaithSayer posted...

Because this isn't a complex issue with tons of variables.

And every single study always demonstrates that not using physical violence against children makes them in to less violent adults, which is a good thing
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SaithSayer posted...

Because this isn't a complex issue with tons of variables.

These associations held true even after taking account of other potentially influential factors, such as national wealth, the murder rate, and social programmes aiming to curb teens' exposure to violence at home and at school.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

SageHarpuiaHX posted...

Entitlement and thin skin however are at an all time high

I see no problems here

Hes also wrong if he thinks physical discipline is the only way to eliminate that.
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A lot of great people have come from both sides of this. Kids are different. What works for one doesn't always work for the next. There's also corporal punishment for DISCIPLINE as opposed to doing so just to get out your own frustrations.

On the flip side, you see the violent thug types and people jump to "He didn't get his ass busted enough as a child!" when some of those people got it and some didn't. It also comes down to whether or not they get POSITIVE attention as well. Taken to the park, engaging conversations that aren't smalltalk, etc...

Everything within moderation and reason.

I watched a Judge Mathis episode were he said black people are more violent because in the black community it is still common to use the belt.
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Seems obvious but some people still refuse to accept it
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SaithSayer posted...

A lot of great people have come from both sides of this. Kids are different. What works for one doesn't always work for the next. There's also corporal punishment for DISCIPLINE as opposed to doing so just to get out your own frustrations.

On the flip side, you see the violent thug types and people jump to "He didn't get his ass busted enough as a child!" when some of those people got it and some didn't. It also comes down to whether or not they get POSITIVE attention as well. Taken to the park, engaging conversations that aren't smalltalk, etc...

Everything within moderation and reason.

Oh wow this gamefaqs post is definitely equivalent to all the studies proving that you shouldnt be violent with children
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SaithSayer posted...

A lot of great people have come from both sides of this. Kids are different. What works for one doesn't always work for the next. There's also corporal punishment for DISCIPLINE as opposed to doing so just to get out your own frustrations.

On the flip side, you see the violent thug types and people jump to "He didn't get his ass busted enough as a child!" when some of those people got it and some didn't. It also comes down to whether or not they get POSITIVE attention as well. Taken to the park, engaging conversations that aren't smalltalk, etc...

Everything within moderation and reason.

Except for violence against kids which even in moderation can be scarring
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VipaGTS posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

SageHarpuiaHX posted...

Entitlement and thin skin however are at an all time high

I see no problems here

Hes also wrong if he thinks physical discipline is the only way to eliminate that.

I didn't say it was but you're only fooling yourself if you don't think there's a connection

about time those hack scientists did something right
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SageHarpuiaHX posted...

Entitlement and thin skin however are at an all time high

fortunately the baby boomers won't be around for much longer
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SageHarpuiaHX posted...

VipaGTS posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

SageHarpuiaHX posted...

Entitlement and thin skin however are at an all time high

I see no problems here

Hes also wrong if he thinks physical discipline is the only way to eliminate that.

I didn't say it was but you're only fooling yourself if you don't think there's a connection

Its weird how much you want to justify physically hurting children despite evidence demonstrating that its detrimental and is more likely to turn them into violent adults.
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mario2000 posted...

SageHarpuiaHX posted...

Entitlement and thin skin however are at an all time high

fortunately the baby boomers won't be around for much longer

The generation who worked for everything they have and were raised by the greatest generation is thin skinned?
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And for some reason, people continue to find reasons to whine about why they need to smack around defenseless children .
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SuperMedz3 posted...

mario2000 posted...

SageHarpuiaHX posted...

Entitlement and thin skin however are at an all time high

fortunately the baby boomers won't be around for much longer

The generation who worked for everything they have and were raised by the greatest generation is thin skinned?

this post...is beautiful
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Spanking studies don't factor in a lot of important elements that are required to determine whether or not spanking can be effective.

1 - How often was the child spanked?
2 - Was the child warned beforehand?
3 - Was another method of discipline used before spanking?
4 - Where was the child spanked?
5 - How hard was the child spanked?
6 - Was the parent angry when the child was spanked?
7 - Did the child understand why they were being spanked?

Studies can't factor all of these things in (and more), because they can't be that invasive, and they can't expect people to be honest in their reporting on these factors. I think the results of these spanking studies show that spanking can be easily misused, but not that it is entirely bad.
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"Don't hit Nazis just because they disagree with you. Violence is bad and makes no one like you!

"Please hit your small children. It's the only language they understand! I turned out great!"
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Vindris_SNH posted...

Spanking studies don't factor in a lot of important elements that are required to determine whether or not spanking can be effective.

1 - How often was the child spanked?
2 - Was the child warned beforehand?
3 - Was another method of discipline used before spanking?
4 - Where was the child spanked?
5 - How hard was the child spanked?
6 - Was the parent angry when the child was spanked?
7 - Did the child understand why they were being spanked?

Studies can't factor all of these things in (and more), because they can't be that invasive, and they can't expect people to be honest in their reporting on these factors. I think the results of these spanking studies show that spanking can be easily misused, but not that it is entirely bad.

i hate posts like this

so proud of your ignorance

just because you can't see how its done doesn't make it impossible

and then in the end its basically "i think its a little bit of both"

sheeesh
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Vindris_SNH posted...

Spanking studies don't factor in a lot of important elements that are required to determine whether or not spanking can be effective.

1 - How often was the child spanked?
2 - Was the child warned beforehand?
3 - Was another method of discipline used before spanking?
4 - Where was the child spanked?
5 - How hard was the child spanked?
6 - Was the parent angry when the child was spanked?
7 - Did the child understand why they were being spanked?

Studies can't factor all of these things in (and more), because they can't be that invasive, and they can't expect people to be honest in their reporting on these factors. I think the results of these spanking studies show that spanking can be easily misused, but not that it is entirely bad.

"Please! There has to be a good reason I was hit and now I hit my own children! Clearly no one has ever accurately studied my family's patented right way to hit children! I have to be doing this for a good reason!"
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hockeybub89 posted...

"Don't hit Nazis just because they disagree with you. Violence is bad and makes no one like you!

"Please hit your small children. It's the only language they understand! I turned out great!"

Violence and discipline are not the same thing. "Hitting" and "spanking" translate very differently in people's minds. One is abuse, the other is discipline.

Try being more honest with your arguments.
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Teaching kids that physical violence is a deterrent to unwanted behavior is a horrible idea. It's not a behavior that they should learn.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

Spanking studies don't factor in a lot of important elements that are required to determine whether or not spanking can be effective.

1 - How often was the child spanked?
2 - Was the child warned beforehand?
3 - Was another method of discipline used before spanking?
4 - Where was the child spanked?
5 - How hard was the child spanked?
6 - Was the parent angry when the child was spanked?
7 - Did the child understand why they were being spanked?

Studies can't factor all of these things in (and more), because they can't be that invasive, and they can't expect people to be honest in their reporting on these factors. I think the results of these spanking studies show that spanking can be easily misused, but not that it is entirely bad.

I can answer all those questions with the same response: it doesn't matter. Modeling violence towards children regardless of the circumstances is wrong and every modern study agrees.
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soylentgreen posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Spanking studies don't factor in a lot of important elements that are required to determine whether or not spanking can be effective.

1 - How often was the child spanked?
2 - Was the child warned beforehand?
3 - Was another method of discipline used before spanking?
4 - Where was the child spanked?
5 - How hard was the child spanked?
6 - Was the parent angry when the child was spanked?
7 - Did the child understand why they were being spanked?

Studies can't factor all of these things in (and more), because they can't be that invasive, and they can't expect people to be honest in their reporting on these factors. I think the results of these spanking studies show that spanking can be easily misused, but not that it is entirely bad.

i hate posts like this

so proud of your ignorance

just because you can't see how its done doesn't make it impossible

and then in the end its basically "i think its a little bit of both"

sheeesh

I'm ignorant because I dig more deeply into the topic than you?
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voldothegr8 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Spanking studies don't factor in a lot of important elements that are required to determine whether or not spanking can be effective.

1 - How often was the child spanked?
2 - Was the child warned beforehand?
3 - Was another method of discipline used before spanking?
4 - Where was the child spanked?
5 - How hard was the child spanked?
6 - Was the parent angry when the child was spanked?
7 - Did the child understand why they were being spanked?

Studies can't factor all of these things in (and more), because they can't be that invasive, and they can't expect people to be honest in their reporting on these factors. I think the results of these spanking studies show that spanking can be easily misused, but not that it is entirely bad.

I can answer all those questions with the same response: it doesn't matter. Modeling violence towards children regardless of the circumstances is wrong and every modern study agrees.

Violence and discipline are not the same thing.
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lol

discipline through violence is violence
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Vindris_SNH posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

"Don't hit Nazis just because they disagree with you. Violence is bad and makes no one like you!

"Please hit your small children. It's the only language they understand! I turned out great!"

Violence and discipline are not the same thing. "Hitting" and "spanking" translate very differently in people's minds. One is abuse, the other is discipline.

Try being more honest with your arguments.

Violent discipline that you could substitute with non-violent discipline. You're the one being dishonest. Football is violent, but no one would think I mean it's attempted murder if I say that.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

Violence and discipline are not the same thing.

soylentgreen posted...

discipline through violence is violence

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