slapping children linked to less youth violence

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King_Hellebuyck 10/16/18 4:39:28 PM #102:	Dyinglegacy posted... Hey, whatever you say. No, thats your logic. Mine is whatever the scientific studies say. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910637525] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>Hey, whatever you say.</quote> No, thats your logic. Mine is whatever the scientific studies say.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 4:54:20 PM #104:	Hairistotle posted... dying you really dont have to get defensive. it's easy to admit when ur wrong i do it all the time Lol. I mean, no one wants to actually discuss, as minds were likely already made up before entering. Anything I have to say is just my personal anecdote. I may as well just troll or exit the thread. It is what it is. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910638416] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>dying you really dont have to get defensive. it's easy to admit when ur wrong i do it all the time</quote> Lol. I mean, no one wants to actually discuss, as minds were likely already made up before entering. Anything I have to say is just my personal anecdote. I may as well just troll or exit the thread. It is what it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/16/18 5:01:35 PM #105:	Dyinglegacy posted... Hairistotle posted... dying you really dont have to get defensive. it's easy to admit when ur wrong i do it all the time Lol. I mean, no one wants to actually discuss, as minds were likely already made up before entering. Anything I have to say is just my personal anecdote. I may as well just troll or exit the thread. It is what it is. Its weird how you dont understand that countless studies trump your anecdote --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910638767] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>dying you really dont have to get defensive. it's easy to admit when ur wrong i do it all the time</quote> Lol. I mean, no one wants to actually discuss, as minds were likely already made up before entering. Anything I have to say is just my personal anecdote. I may as well just troll or exit the thread. It is what it is.</quote> Its weird how you dont understand that countless studies trump your anecdote</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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prince_leo 10/16/18 5:10:44 PM #107:	Dyinglegacy posted... Is it acceptable to set someone in a corner, against their will, while they have to wait for a timer to go off? Is it acceptable to take someones possessions away? Does it not teach them to steal from people as a form of punishment when they are adults? As with most things, context. I mean, prison and time outs are comparable, house arrests and grounding is as well. We dock people's pay and order others to pay for damages. Extra chores and community service. Etc. Not just the Justice system, your boss has ways of disciplining you as well. Hitting doesn't really have anything your boss or the justice system can (or should) do --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:910639276] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote> Is it acceptable to set someone in a corner, against their will, while they have to wait for a timer to go off? Is it acceptable to take someones possessions away? Does it not teach them to steal from people as a form of punishment when they are adults? As with most things, context.</quote> I mean, prison and time outs are comparable, house arrests and grounding is as well. We dock people's pay and order others to pay for damages. Extra chores and community service. Etc. Not just the Justice system, your boss has ways of disciplining you as well. Hitting doesn't really have anything your boss or the justice system can (or should) do</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 5:12:09 PM #108:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Dyinglegacy posted... Hairistotle posted... dying you really dont have to get defensive. it's easy to admit when ur wrong i do it all the time Lol. I mean, no one wants to actually discuss, as minds were likely already made up before entering. Anything I have to say is just my personal anecdote. I may as well just troll or exit the thread. It is what it is. Its weird how you dont understand that countless studies trump your anecdote I never said it did, as we are gonna have to wait a few years before I can even have an anecdote lol. I was kinda poking fun at the use of word, is why I even said it. We'll wait till he's in high school, then I'll let y'all know how things turned out. If he's violent or not. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910639348] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>dying you really dont have to get defensive. it's easy to admit when ur wrong i do it all the time</quote> Lol. I mean, no one wants to actually discuss, as minds were likely already made up before entering. Anything I have to say is just my personal anecdote. I may as well just troll or exit the thread. It is what it is.</quote> Its weird how you dont understand that countless studies trump your anecdote</quote> I never said it did, as we are gonna have to wait a few years before I can even have an anecdote lol. I was kinda poking fun at the use of word, is why I even said it. We'll wait till he's in high school, then I'll let y'all know how things turned out. If he's violent or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 10/16/18 5:12:40 PM #109:	So is it okay to discipline nazis? <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:910639377] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote>So is it okay to discipline nazis?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/16/18 5:16:47 PM #110:	Dyinglegacy posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Dyinglegacy posted... Hairistotle posted... dying you really dont have to get defensive. it's easy to admit when ur wrong i do it all the time Lol. I mean, no one wants to actually discuss, as minds were likely already made up before entering. Anything I have to say is just my personal anecdote. I may as well just troll or exit the thread. It is what it is. Its weird how you dont understand that countless studies trump your anecdote I never said it did, as we are gonna have to wait a few years before I can even have an anecdote lol. I was kinda poking fun at the use of word, is why I even said it. We'll wait till he's in high school, then I'll let y'all know how things turned out. If he's violent or not. Or you can be a decent person who teaches their child that violence isnt an acceptable or intelligent or worthwhile way to get what you want. But yeah sure just wait and see if he figures that out on his own instead. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910639595] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>dying you really dont have to get defensive. it's easy to admit when ur wrong i do it all the time</quote> Lol. I mean, no one wants to actually discuss, as minds were likely already made up before entering. Anything I have to say is just my personal anecdote. I may as well just troll or exit the thread. It is what it is.</quote> Its weird how you dont understand that countless studies trump your anecdote</quote> I never said it did, as we are gonna have to wait a few years before I can even have an anecdote lol. I was kinda poking fun at the use of word, is why I even said it. We'll wait till he's in high school, then I'll let y'all know how things turned out. If he's violent or not.</quote> Or you can be a decent person who teaches their child that violence isnt an acceptable or intelligent or worthwhile way to get what you want. But yeah sure just wait and see if he figures that out on his own instead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViewtifulGrave 10/16/18 5:17:07 PM #111:	Vindris_SNH posted... 6 - Was the parent angry when the child was spanked? Lol, my mom definitely was. --- You enjoy teaching high schoolers, and I'll enjoy creating my crappy manga. Let's see where we both are in a year. TheDoorMouse Update https://imgur.com/vz0c9xf <cite>ViewtifulGrave posted [p:910639608] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>6 - Was the parent angry when the child was spanked?</quote> Lol, my mom definitely was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 10/16/18 5:19:25 PM #112:	Tbh I'm surprised. --- 7D ChessMaster of Dark Aether https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:910639734] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote>Tbh I'm surprised.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 5:20:17 PM #113:	Hairistotle posted... Dyinglegacy posted... Hairistotle posted... dying you really dont have to get defensive. it's easy to admit when ur wrong i do it all the time Lol. I mean, no one wants to actually discuss, as minds were likely already made up before entering. Anything I have to say is just my personal anecdote. I may as well just troll or exit the thread. It is what it is. Im willing to discuss why you think countless studies are wrong and or inadequate Never said they were. You might be confusing me with the other guy that posted about that. I stated that I have spanked my son, and that it proved effective as a last resort measure. Maybe he'll turn into a serial killer, or maybe he'll be a saint. I think we'd be lying if we stated that we adhered to the results of every study. It's not that we outright reject their validity or anything, but more just not have it direct our every decision. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910639768] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>dying you really dont have to get defensive. it's easy to admit when ur wrong i do it all the time</quote> Lol. I mean, no one wants to actually discuss, as minds were likely already made up before entering. Anything I have to say is just my personal anecdote. I may as well just troll or exit the thread. It is what it is.</quote> Im willing to discuss why you think countless studies are wrong and or inadequate</quote> Never said they were. You might be confusing me with the other guy that posted about that. I stated that I have spanked my son, and that it proved effective as a last resort measure. Maybe he'll turn into a serial killer, or maybe he'll be a saint. I think we'd be lying if we stated that we adhered to the results of every study. It's not that we outright reject their validity or anything, but more just not have it direct our every decision.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 10/16/18 5:27:46 PM #114:	Vindris_SNH posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... If youre teaching your children to escalate to violence as a means of changing behavior then youre teaching your children to be violent as adults. Does grounding your children teach them to ground other people when they become adults? It teaches them about jail, you know, the adult version of being confined to a space until a sentence for punishment is served --- Oda break tracker 2018- 7 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 5-0 \| Oakland Raiders: 1-3 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:910640139] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>If youre teaching your children to escalate to violence as a means of changing behavior then youre teaching your children to be violent as adults.</quote> Does grounding your children teach them to ground other people when they become adults?</quote> It teaches them about jail, you know, the adult version of being confined to a space until a sentence for punishment is served</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 5:37:14 PM #116:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Dyinglegacy posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Dyinglegacy posted... Hairistotle posted... dying you really dont have to get defensive. it's easy to admit when ur wrong i do it all the time Lol. I mean, no one wants to actually discuss, as minds were likely already made up before entering. Anything I have to say is just my personal anecdote. I may as well just troll or exit the thread. It is what it is. Its weird how you dont understand that countless studies trump your anecdote I never said it did, as we are gonna have to wait a few years before I can even have an anecdote lol. I was kinda poking fun at the use of word, is why I even said it. We'll wait till he's in high school, then I'll let y'all know how things turned out. If he's violent or not. Or you can be a decent person who teaches their child that violence isnt an acceptable or intelligent or worthwhile way to get what you want. But yeah sure just wait and see if he figures that out on his own instead. We do teach him that. We teach him not to hit, kick, bite or scratch. We teach him to share and not steal. We teach him to wait his turn. We teach him please and thank you. So far, spanking on rare occasions hasnt interfered with us teaching him not to hit, no more than grounding him from toys (taking things away from him) has interfered with us teaching him to share or not to steal. As I stated before. First time, it's a warning, then time out, then toys taken away. Lastly, it's spanking. Spanking has only been reached a couple of times. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910640601] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>dying you really dont have to get defensive. it's easy to admit when ur wrong i do it all the time</quote> Lol. I mean, no one wants to actually discuss, as minds were likely already made up before entering. Anything I have to say is just my personal anecdote. I may as well just troll or exit the thread. It is what it is.</quote> Its weird how you dont understand that countless studies trump your anecdote</quote> I never said it did, as we are gonna have to wait a few years before I can even have an anecdote lol. I was kinda poking fun at the use of word, is why I even said it. We'll wait till he's in high school, then I'll let y'all know how things turned out. If he's violent or not.</quote> Or you can be a decent person who teaches their child that violence isnt an acceptable or intelligent or worthwhile way to get what you want. But yeah sure just wait and see if he figures that out on his own instead.</quote> We do teach him that. We teach him not to hit, kick, bite or scratch. We teach him to share and not steal. We teach him to wait his turn. We teach him please and thank you. So far, spanking on rare occasions hasnt interfered with us teaching him not to hit, no more than grounding him from toys (taking things away from him) has interfered with us teaching him to share or not to steal. As I stated before. First time, it's a warning, then time out, then toys taken away. Lastly, it's spanking. Spanking has only been reached a couple of times.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voldothegr8 10/16/18 5:40:15 PM #118:	Dyinglegacy posted... spanking on rare occasions hasnt interfered with us teaching him not to hit Do as I say not as I do kind of parenting, that's a bold choice cotton. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 7 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 5-0 \| Oakland Raiders: 1-3 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:910640756] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>spanking on rare occasions hasnt interfered with us teaching him not to hit</quote> Do as I say not as I do kind of parenting, that's a bold choice cotton.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 5:42:01 PM #119:	Hairistotle posted... Dyinglegacy posted... I stated that I have spanked my son, and that it proved effective as a last resort measure. Maybe he'll turn into a serial killer, or maybe he'll be a saint. or maybe spanking at best does nothing and at worst cripples your son, and there is a middle ground between serial killer and saint? willing to concede to that? Sure there is. There are always gray areas. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910640836] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>I stated that I have spanked my son, and that it proved effective as a last resort measure. Maybe he'll turn into a serial killer, or maybe he'll be a saint. </quote> or maybe spanking at best does nothing and at worst cripples your son, and there is a middle ground between serial killer and saint? willing to concede to that?</quote> Sure there is. There are always gray areas.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 5:43:06 PM #120:	Hairistotle posted... Dyinglegacy posted... We teach him not to hit thinking emoji We also teach him not to steal or take things from people, yet we take his toys when we ground him. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910640874] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>We teach him not to hit</quote> thinking emoji</quote> We also teach him not to steal or take things from people, yet we take his toys when we ground him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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King_Hellebuyck 10/16/18 5:44:53 PM #122:	Dyinglegacy posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Dyinglegacy posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Dyinglegacy posted... Hairistotle posted... dying you really dont have to get defensive. it's easy to admit when ur wrong i do it all the time Lol. I mean, no one wants to actually discuss, as minds were likely already made up before entering. Anything I have to say is just my personal anecdote. I may as well just troll or exit the thread. It is what it is. Its weird how you dont understand that countless studies trump your anecdote I never said it did, as we are gonna have to wait a few years before I can even have an anecdote lol. I was kinda poking fun at the use of word, is why I even said it. We'll wait till he's in high school, then I'll let y'all know how things turned out. If he's violent or not. Or you can be a decent person who teaches their child that violence isnt an acceptable or intelligent or worthwhile way to get what you want. But yeah sure just wait and see if he figures that out on his own instead. We do teach him that. We teach him not to hit, kick, bite or scratch. We teach him to share and not steal. We teach him to wait his turn. We teach him please and thank you. So far, spanking on rare occasions hasnt interfered with us teaching him not to hit, no more than grounding him from toys (taking things away from him) has interfered with us teaching him to share or not to steal. As I stated before. First time, it's a warning, then time out, then toys taken away. Lastly, it's spanking. Spanking has only been reached a couple of times. We teach him not to be violent but also teach him that violence and threats of violence are effective ways to get people to act how you want is not good parenting. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910640962] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>dying you really dont have to get defensive. it's easy to admit when ur wrong i do it all the time</quote> Lol. I mean, no one wants to actually discuss, as minds were likely already made up before entering. Anything I have to say is just my personal anecdote. I may as well just troll or exit the thread. It is what it is.</quote> Its weird how you dont understand that countless studies trump your anecdote</quote> I never said it did, as we are gonna have to wait a few years before I can even have an anecdote lol. I was kinda poking fun at the use of word, is why I even said it. We'll wait till he's in high school, then I'll let y'all know how things turned out. If he's violent or not.</quote> Or you can be a decent person who teaches their child that violence isnt an acceptable or intelligent or worthwhile way to get what you want. But yeah sure just wait and see if he figures that out on his own instead.</quote> We do teach him that. We teach him not to hit, kick, bite or scratch. We teach him to share and not steal. We teach him to wait his turn. We teach him please and thank you. So far, spanking on rare occasions hasnt interfered with us teaching him not to hit, no more than grounding him from toys (taking things away from him) has interfered with us teaching him to share or not to steal. As I stated before. First time, it's a warning, then time out, then toys taken away. Lastly, it's spanking. Spanking has only been reached a couple of times.</quote> We teach him not to be violent but also teach him that violence and threats of violence are effective ways to get people to act how you want is not good parenting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 5:46:16 PM #123:	Do... You guys have kids of your own? There not dumb, and they can understand context. He understands that mommy and daddy taking a toy from him is different than him taking toys from another kid. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910641029] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote>Do... You guys have kids of your own? There not dumb, and they can understand context. He understands that mommy and daddy taking a toy from him is different than him taking toys from another kid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 5:48:09 PM #125:	He also understands that a spanking is different than violence out of contempt. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910641150] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote>He also understands that a spanking is different than violence out of contempt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 10/16/18 5:48:28 PM #126:	Dyinglegacy posted... Hairistotle posted... Dyinglegacy posted... We teach him not to hit thinking emoji We also teach him not to steal or take things from people, yet we take his toys when we ground him. Technically those toys are a privilege that are things that you allow him to have access to if he is acting appropriately. No different than any other privilege that you allow for him. --- https://imgur.com/PHWbltB <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:910641168] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>We teach him not to hit</quote> thinking emoji</quote> We also teach him not to steal or take things from people, yet we take his toys when we ground him.</quote> Technically those toys are a privilege that are things that you allow him to have access to if he is acting appropriately. No different than any other privilege that you allow for him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 5:50:29 PM #127:	Twin3Turbo posted... Dyinglegacy posted... Hairistotle posted... Dyinglegacy posted... We teach him not to hit thinking emoji We also teach him not to steal or take things from people, yet we take his toys when we ground him. Technically those toys are a privilege that are things that you allow him to have access to if he is acting appropriately. No different than any other privilege that you allow for him. He knows that he doesn't put other kids in the corner for time out, either. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910641284] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>We teach him not to hit</quote> thinking emoji</quote> We also teach him not to steal or take things from people, yet we take his toys when we ground him.</quote> Technically those toys are a privilege that are things that you allow him to have access to if he is acting appropriately. No different than any other privilege that you allow for him.</quote> He knows that he doesn't put other kids in the corner for time out, either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 10/16/18 5:51:18 PM #128:	Dyinglegacy posted... Do... You guys have kids of your own? Two well behaved ones who I've never, or will ever get physical with. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 7 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 5-0 \| Oakland Raiders: 1-3 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:910641323] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>Do... You guys have kids of your own?</quote> Two well behaved ones who I've never, or will ever get physical with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 5:53:21 PM #131:	You have to talk to kids and explain to them why not to do something. It is also good to explain to them why they are being disciplined, and what they should do in the future to behave. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910641429] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote>You have to talk to kids and explain to them why not to do something. It is also good to explain to them why they are being disciplined, and what they should do in the future to behave.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/16/18 5:53:33 PM #132:	Dyinglegacy posted... He also understands that a spanking is different than violence out of contempt. He understands that violence of the threat of violence is an effective tool in changing how someone acts towards you. His girlfriends will understand it, too, when he uses your you made me do this to you rhetoric. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910641443] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>He also understands that a spanking is different than violence out of contempt.</quote> He understands that violence of the threat of violence is an effective tool in changing how someone acts towards you. His girlfriends will understand it, too, when he uses your you made me do this to you rhetoric.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 5:54:35 PM #133:	voldothegr8 posted... Dyinglegacy posted... Do... You guys have kids of your own? Two well behaved ones who I've never, or will ever get physical with. That's awesome. Congrats. No sarcasm. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910641491] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>Do... You guys have kids of your own?</quote> Two well behaved ones who I've never, or will ever get physical with.</quote> That's awesome. Congrats. No sarcasm.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/16/18 5:55:03 PM #134:	Dyinglegacy posted... Twin3Turbo posted... Dyinglegacy posted... Hairistotle posted... Dyinglegacy posted... We teach him not to hit thinking emoji We also teach him not to steal or take things from people, yet we take his toys when we ground him. Technically those toys are a privilege that are things that you allow him to have access to if he is acting appropriately. No different than any other privilege that you allow for him. He knows that he doesn't put other kids in the corner for time out, either. He knows that he isnt in a position to be able to. Thats why judging his reaction to your violence based on how he acts as a powerless child is stupid. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910641510] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>We teach him not to hit</quote> thinking emoji</quote> We also teach him not to steal or take things from people, yet we take his toys when we ground him.</quote> Technically those toys are a privilege that are things that you allow him to have access to if he is acting appropriately. No different than any other privilege that you allow for him.</quote> He knows that he doesn't put other kids in the corner for time out, either.</quote> He knows that he isnt in a position to be able to. Thats why judging his reaction to your violence based on how he acts as a powerless child is stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 10/16/18 5:57:18 PM #135:	Dyinglegacy posted... You have to talk to kids and explain to them why not to do something. It is also good to explain to them why they are being disciplined, and what they should do in the future to behave. The crux of the issue here though is that this can be accomplished without hitting your kids Yes you're doing it the best possible way, but at the end of the day you're still hitting them. There are other ways to discipline your children that do not involve that --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:910641618] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>You have to talk to kids and explain to them why not to do something. It is also good to explain to them why they are being disciplined, and what they should do in the future to behave.</quote> The crux of the issue here though is that this can be accomplished without hitting your kids Yes you're doing it the best possible way, but at the end of the day you're still hitting them. There are other ways to discipline your children that do not involve that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 5:57:21 PM #136:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Dyinglegacy posted... Twin3Turbo posted... Dyinglegacy posted... Hairistotle posted... Dyinglegacy posted... We teach him not to hit thinking emoji We also teach him not to steal or take things from people, yet we take his toys when we ground him. Technically those toys are a privilege that are things that you allow him to have access to if he is acting appropriately. No different than any other privilege that you allow for him. He knows that he doesn't put other kids in the corner for time out, either. He knows that he isnt in a position to be able to. Thats why judging his reaction to your violence based on how he acts as a powerless child is stupid. Then there is just no way to know how or if it has affected him. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910641620] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>We teach him not to hit</quote> thinking emoji</quote> We also teach him not to steal or take things from people, yet we take his toys when we ground him.</quote> Technically those toys are a privilege that are things that you allow him to have access to if he is acting appropriately. No different than any other privilege that you allow for him.</quote> He knows that he doesn't put other kids in the corner for time out, either.</quote> He knows that he isnt in a position to be able to. Thats why judging his reaction to your violence based on how he acts as a powerless child is stupid.</quote> Then there is just no way to know how or if it has affected him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gafemage 10/16/18 5:59:21 PM #138:	This is unsurprising to me - not only because of my personal viewpoints on such forms of discipline, but because any time I see someone post a picture like this on Facebook: ...it's always from one of the worst kids I went to school with; like, the people who started smoking weed in middle school & ended up either getting expelled, dropping out or just transferring to what was basically the local school for "problem students". --- https://imgur.com/1EOFcjn https://imgur.com/epjd8zk <cite>Gafemage posted [p:910641738] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote>This is unsurprising to me - not only because of my personal viewpoints on such forms of discipline, but because any time I see someone post a picture like this on Facebook: ...it's always from one of the worst kids I went to school with; like, the people who started smoking weed in middle school & ended up either getting expelled, dropping out or just transferring to what was basically the local school for "problem students".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/16/18 5:59:45 PM #139:	Dyinglegacy posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Dyinglegacy posted... Twin3Turbo posted... Dyinglegacy posted... Hairistotle posted... Dyinglegacy posted... We teach him not to hit thinking emoji We also teach him not to steal or take things from people, yet we take his toys when we ground him. Technically those toys are a privilege that are things that you allow him to have access to if he is acting appropriately. No different than any other privilege that you allow for him. He knows that he doesn't put other kids in the corner for time out, either. He knows that he isnt in a position to be able to. Thats why judging his reaction to your violence based on how he acts as a powerless child is stupid. Then there is just no way to know how or if it has affected him. Almost like they should study this sort of thing --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910641759] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>We teach him not to hit</quote> thinking emoji</quote> We also teach him not to steal or take things from people, yet we take his toys when we ground him.</quote> Technically those toys are a privilege that are things that you allow him to have access to if he is acting appropriately. No different than any other privilege that you allow for him.</quote> He knows that he doesn't put other kids in the corner for time out, either.</quote> He knows that he isnt in a position to be able to. Thats why judging his reaction to your violence based on how he acts as a powerless child is stupid.</quote> Then there is just no way to know how or if it has affected him.</quote> Almost like they should study this sort of thing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 6:04:27 PM #140:	Dyinglegacy posted... voldothegr8 posted... Dyinglegacy posted... Do... You guys have kids of your own? Two well behaved ones who I've never, or will ever get physical with. That's awesome. Congrats. No sarcasm. Forgot to add, ours is well behaved most of the time. He has moments were he has selective hearing lol. But for the vast majority, he's a good boy. We just took him to gattitown for good behavior. He loved it. I kinda liked it too lol --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910642013] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>Do... You guys have kids of your own?</quote> Two well behaved ones who I've never, or will ever get physical with.</quote> That's awesome. Congrats. No sarcasm.</quote> Forgot to add, ours is well behaved most of the time. He has moments were he has selective hearing lol. But for the vast majority, he's a good boy. We just took him to gattitown for good behavior. He loved it. I kinda liked it too lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 6:08:46 PM #141:	A Study isnt the end all be all, and they dont always account for individuals. They can offer guidance on a trend, tho. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910642226] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote>A Study isnt the end all be all, and they dont always account for individuals. They can offer guidance on a trend, tho.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 6:11:11 PM #142:	prince_leo posted... Dyinglegacy posted... You have to talk to kids and explain to them why not to do something. It is also good to explain to them why they are being disciplined, and what they should do in the future to behave. The crux of the issue here though is that this can be accomplished without hitting your kids Yes you're doing it the best possible way, but at the end of the day you're still hitting them. There are other ways to discipline your children that do not involve that Of course there is. As I stated earlier, we are phasing it out. For one, we don't like doing it. Two, it isn't needed. Probably wasn't needed to begin with, but it's already done. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910642375] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>prince_leo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>You have to talk to kids and explain to them why not to do something. It is also good to explain to them why they are being disciplined, and what they should do in the future to behave.</quote> The crux of the issue here though is that this can be accomplished without hitting your kids Yes you're doing it the best possible way, but at the end of the day you're still hitting them. There are other ways to discipline your children that do not involve that</quote> Of course there is. As I stated earlier, we are phasing it out. For one, we don't like doing it. Two, it isn't needed. Probably wasn't needed to begin with, but it's already done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 10/16/18 6:13:55 PM #143:	Dyinglegacy posted... A Study isnt the end all be all, and they dont always account for individuals. They can offer guidance on a trend, tho. The numbers are scientifically significant, in fact very far from what one might call the norm. So unless you have a study of your own to disprove the basis or points made in the article, it pretty much is the end all. --- 7D ChessMaster of Dark Aether https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:910642516] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>A Study isnt the end all be all, and they dont always account for individuals. They can offer guidance on a trend, tho.</quote> The numbers are scientifically significant, in fact very far from what one might call the norm. So unless you have a study of your own to disprove the basis or points made in the article, it pretty much is the end all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 6:21:08 PM #144:	P4wn4g3 posted... Dyinglegacy posted... A Study isnt the end all be all, and they dont always account for individuals. They can offer guidance on a trend, tho. The numbers are scientifically significant, in fact very far from what one might call the norm. So unless you have a study of your own to disprove the basis or points made in the article, it pretty much is the end all. Does it account for nuance? Like displine before spanking, not just going straight to spanking. Does it account for parental explaination as to why the discipline his happening. Or is it just spanking in the general sense, without any context? I'm not on the work computer anymore, and just have my phone. Some articles can be a chore reading through on my phone. I'll take your word for it. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910642888] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>A Study isnt the end all be all, and they dont always account for individuals. They can offer guidance on a trend, tho.</quote> The numbers are scientifically significant, in fact very far from what one might call the norm. So unless you have a study of your own to disprove the basis or points made in the article, it pretty much is the end all.</quote> Does it account for nuance? Like displine before spanking, not just going straight to spanking. Does it account for parental explaination as to why the discipline his happening. Or is it just spanking in the general sense, without any context? I'm not on the work computer anymore, and just have my phone. Some articles can be a chore reading through on my phone. I'll take your word for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 10/16/18 6:33:53 PM #145:	I'm not completely unreasonable. I just tend to go aggro on gamefaqs because of the way people respond. I know that's not right, and perpetuates the attitude, so that's my mistake Calm posts like prince Leo's helps to calm me down a bit tho, as I don't sense angst or condescension. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25408 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:910643532] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote>I'm not completely unreasonable. I just tend to go aggro on gamefaqs because of the way people respond. I know that's not right, and perpetuates the attitude, so that's my mistake Calm posts like prince Leo's helps to calm me down a bit tho, as I don't sense angst or condescension.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/16/18 6:35:10 PM #146:	Dyinglegacy posted... A Study isnt the end all be all, and they dont always account for individuals. They can offer guidance on a trend, tho. If every study on this subject reaches the same conclusion, why risk it? --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910643596] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>A Study isnt the end all be all, and they dont always account for individuals. They can offer guidance on a trend, tho.</quote> If every study on this subject reaches the same conclusion, why risk it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 10/16/18 7:23:44 PM #147:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Dyinglegacy posted... A Study isnt the end all be all, and they dont always account for individuals. They can offer guidance on a trend, tho. If every study on this subject reaches the same conclusion, why risk it? --- Oda break tracker 2018- 7 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 5-0 \| Oakland Raiders: 1-3 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:910646140] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>A Study isnt the end all be all, and they dont always account for individuals. They can offer guidance on a trend, tho.</quote> If every study on this subject reaches the same conclusion, why risk it?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/16/18 9:02:18 PM #148:	"If 100% of people who are spanked don't turn into violent piece of shit adults, then spanking is okay" That's a really bizarre argument. A lot of risky, bad things have a chance of turning out ok. That doesn't mean we should advocate doing those things "The right way". Don't do them and you don't have to worry about the negative risk factors. Raising children is not a place for daredevil stunts and living on the edge. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:910651521] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote>"If 100% of people who are spanked don't turn into violent piece of shit adults, then spanking is okay" That's a really bizarre argument. A lot of risky, bad things have a chance of turning out ok. That doesn't mean we should advocate doing those things "The right way". Don't do them and you don't have to worry about the negative risk factors. Raising children is not a place for daredevil stunts and living on the edge.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Knowledge_King 10/17/18 10:17:57 AM #149:	Being less violent isn't necessarily better though. If it results in people literally not being violent to the point of not defending themselves, that's a negative. --- http://www.warwithwords.com Run: 4 Stars and IndieReader Approved:https://www.amazon.com/Run-M-N-ebook/dp/B076R7DCHN <cite>Knowledge_King posted [p:910677094] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote>Being less violent isn't necessarily better though. If it results in people literally not being violent to the point of not defending themselves, that's a negative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/17/18 10:22:19 AM #150:	Knowledge_King posted... Being less violent isn't necessarily better though. If it results in people literally not being violent to the point of not defending themselves, that's a negative. If we don't hit children when they misbehave (something they will almost never be allowed to do or have done to them in adulthood), then they literally won't defend themselves if attacked! Sure, bro. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:910677269] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote>Being less violent isn't necessarily better though. If it results in people literally not being violent to the point of not defending themselves, that's a negative.</quote> If we don't hit children when they misbehave (something they will almost never be allowed to do or have done to them in adulthood), then they literally won't defend themselves if attacked! Sure, bro.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 10/17/18 10:25:02 AM #151:	hockeybub89 posted... Knowledge_King posted... Being less violent isn't necessarily better though. If it results in people literally not being violent to the point of not defending themselves, that's a negative. If we don't hit children when they misbehave (something they will almost never be allowed to do or have done to them in adulthood), then they literally won't defend themselves if attacked! Sure, bro. Even if that were entirely accurate, there's also the thing that if you don't hit kids, they will grow up into a less violent adult population that won't need to defend themselves because people won't attack. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:910677384] in National b... [t:77102621]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote>Being less violent isn't necessarily better though. If it results in people literally not being violent to the point of not defending themselves, that's a negative.</quote> If we don't hit children when they misbehave (something they will almost never be allowed to do or have done to them in adulthood), then they literally won't defend themselves if attacked! Sure, bro.</quote> Even if that were entirely accurate, there's also the thing that if you don't hit kids, they will grow up into a less violent adult population that won't need to defend themselves because people won't attack.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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