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AmericaTheBrave
10/25/21 8:14:53 PM
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pauIie
10/25/21 8:33:35 PM
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greyfox747
10/25/21 8:33:59 PM
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Cool
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Doom_Art
10/25/21 8:35:57 PM
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Remember the last time you made a topic freaking out over race in media TC?

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Kim_Seong-a
10/25/21 8:39:20 PM
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Perzs Amazons were created within the Cavern of Souls, a place where Greek goddesses make each new warrior from the reincarnated souls of women who died from violence perpetrated by men.

TIL Wonder Woman is an isekai

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Giblet_Enjoyer
10/26/21 10:54:52 PM
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Not even disabled?
Tsk. Do better Marvel

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Guide
10/26/21 10:56:40 PM
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Eugh, don't like it when new stuff contradicts origin canon. Like, sure, heroes and things change over time, but this is getting a bit annoying.

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lolife67
10/26/21 11:00:40 PM
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Guide posted...
Eugh, don't like it when new stuff contradicts origin canon. Like, sure, heroes and things change over time, but this is getting a bit annoying.
What does this contradict? The idea of Amazons being the reincarnated spirit of murdered women has been a thing for a very long time.
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CARRRNE_ASADA
10/26/21 11:01:41 PM
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That means she was born and lives as a man for some time. What's the lore and how does that work?

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bobaban
10/26/21 11:01:54 PM
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More pandering drivel
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lolife67
10/26/21 11:05:06 PM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
That means she was born and lives as a man for some time. What's the lore and how does that work?
Basically she was a trans woman born as a cis male and killed. Then her soul was reincarnated as an Amazon.
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008Zulu
10/26/21 11:06:18 PM
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So she was a man in her former life (who identified as female), and was reincarnated as a female Amazon?

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lolife67
10/26/21 11:06:44 PM
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008Zulu posted...
So she was a man in her former life (who identified as female), and was reincarnated as a female Amazon?
Correct.
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Guide
10/26/21 11:10:28 PM
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lolife67 posted...
What does this contradict? The idea of Amazons being the reincarnated spirit of murdered women has been a thing for a very long time.

As far as I know, that's the origin, and they've just kinda been hanging out with an unchanging population ever since.

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shnangyboos
10/26/21 11:11:29 PM
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Life saving representation. Bet this ain't the last time we see that wording.

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lolife67
10/26/21 11:11:29 PM
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Guide posted...
As far as I know, that's the origin, and they've just kinda been hanging out with an unchanging population ever since.
New Amazons have shown up a few times over the years.
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creativerealms
10/26/21 11:11:54 PM
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Why should I care?

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Guide
10/26/21 11:14:13 PM
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lolife67 posted...
New Amazons have shown up a few times over the years.

If that's the case then I'm wrong, but the ones I'm aware of are either honorary Amazons, or were lost for a long time.

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lolife67
10/26/21 11:17:53 PM
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Guide posted...
If that's the case then I'm wrong, but the ones I'm aware of are either honorary Amazons, or were lost for a long time.
It's been all 3 actually lol remember, there's been quite a few reboots over the decades. But this particular one does tie directly into the Well of Souls.
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mybbqrules
10/26/21 11:29:03 PM
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lolife67 posted...
Correct.
Ah, so it's not a big deal at all and we can all sit and laugh at the people who's hair stood up on the back of their neck just by reading the word "trans".

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Smackems
10/26/21 11:30:45 PM
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Potentially life saving

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lolife67
10/26/21 11:33:29 PM
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mybbqrules posted...
Ah, so it's not a big deal at all and we can all sit and laugh at the people who's hair stood up on the back of their neck just by reading the word "trans".
Most definitely.
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008Zulu
10/27/21 7:11:09 AM
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lolife67 posted...
Correct.
Next question; So if it's a female being reincarnated as a female, why are people so heated about it?

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Fam_Fam
10/27/21 7:16:25 AM
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008Zulu posted...
Next question; So if it's a female being reincarnated as a female, why are people so heated about it?

the situation is a biological male being reincarnated as a female, which still shouldn't bother people.
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ElatedVenusaur
10/27/21 9:10:24 AM
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A woman being reincarnated as a woman shouldnt be shocking in the slightest, yes.

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Esrac
10/27/21 9:15:09 AM
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lolife67 posted...
Basically she was a trans woman born as a cis male and killed. Then her soul was reincarnated as an Amazon.

Now, I'm no expert on reincarnation, but that wouldn't make her current form trans. The whole deal with reincarnation is that you can be virtually anything in your next life. You may be a man now, but if you die and reincarnate, you could be a woman in your next like. Or a dog. Or a fish. Or an insect. Whatever. Because the soul is separate from the physical vessel it inhabits.

Not counting unusual, specific reincarnation rules like Zelda, where the same people keep reincarnating as the same people in new eras.
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/27/21 9:19:09 AM
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lolife67 posted...
Basically she was a trans woman born as a cis male and killed. Then her soul was reincarnated as an Amazon.

Huh. That's actually a pretty cool idea.

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lolife67
10/27/21 9:37:20 AM
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Esrac posted...
Now, I'm no expert on reincarnation, but that wouldn't make her current form trans. The whole deal with reincarnation is that you can be virtually anything in your next life. You may be a man now, but if you die and reincarnate, you could be a woman in your next like. Or a dog. Or a fish. Or an insect. Whatever. Because the soul is separate from the physical vessel it inhabits.

Not counting unusual, specific reincarnation rules like Zelda, where the same people keep reincarnating as the same people in new eras.
In DC canon, souls have genders. So she's trans because she was a female soul inside male body, which is basically how trans women see themselves irl. How other canons handle reincarnation is irrelevant.
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ledbowman
10/27/21 9:39:11 AM
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bobaban posted...
More pandering drivel

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/27/21 10:07:20 AM
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Funny how "pandering" is only an issue when it's not being done for white guys

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ledbowman
10/27/21 10:08:55 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Funny how "pandering" is only an issue when it's not being done for white guys
so you think they would have done this if woke wasn't a current marketing trend

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lolife67
10/27/21 10:10:53 AM
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ledbowman posted...
so you think they would have done this if woke wasn't a current marketing trend
You're kind of proving his point.
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ledbowman
10/27/21 10:11:25 AM
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how

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/27/21 10:12:10 AM
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ledbowman posted...
so you think they would have done this if woke wasn't a current marketing trend

This character was created by a black transwoman

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lolife67
10/27/21 10:12:29 AM
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ledbowman posted...
how
Because you wouldn't call it "pandering" when catering to straight, white men was the current marketing trend.
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/27/21 10:13:30 AM
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lolife67 posted...
Because you wouldn't call it "pandering" when catering to straight, white men was the current marketing trend.

As was the case for comic books for the vast majority of their history

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Ratchetrockon
10/27/21 10:13:37 AM
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Id love to be reincarnated as an amazonian warrior. Would be dope af

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lolife67
10/27/21 10:14:22 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
As was the case for comic books for the vast majority of their history
Exactly. But I doubt he's self-aware enough to admit that.
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ledbowman
10/27/21 10:16:28 AM
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these characters being cis or whatever wasn't a trend. dc doing this right now is a cash grab

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Hornezz
10/27/21 10:17:35 AM
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ledbowman posted...
dc doing this right now is a cash grab
I thought the saying was "go woke go broke"?

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lolife67
10/27/21 10:17:59 AM
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ledbowman posted...
these characters being cis or whatever wasn't a trend. dc doing this right now is a cash grab
Lol what? It literally was a trend for decades. What do you think society was like when these characters were created? Do you think it was just a coincidence they were mostly straight, white men? You can't be that clueless.
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Returning_CEmen
10/27/21 10:19:18 AM
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Potentially lifesaving representation

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ledbowman
10/27/21 10:19:42 AM
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Hornezz posted...
I thought the saying was "go woke go broke"?
tell that to people who actually said that not me

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g0ldie
10/27/21 10:19:59 AM
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you probably have less than a handful of notable trans comic book characters, and maybe two handfuls when it comes to characters that might be gay or bi, but whenever any of them get any kinda focus (which is rarely), you have people complain about "pandering" when such cases are in the extreme minority

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/27/21 10:20:12 AM
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ledbowman posted...
these characters being cis or whatever wasn't a trend. dc doing this right now is a cash grab

It literally was lmao.

Comic books were created for white guys, which is why the vast majority of comic books up until very recently predominantly featured white men as the title character.

In fact, the reason Black Panther wears a full face mask is because the publishers were scared of backlash from white men and tried to hide his skin color. But that's not pandering because....?

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scamatoru
10/27/21 10:21:19 AM
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'lifesaving'

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Dathrowed1
10/27/21 10:23:26 AM
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Esrac posted...
Now, I'm no expert on reincarnation, but that wouldn't make her current form trans. The whole deal with reincarnation is that you can be virtually anything in your next life. You may be a man now, but if you die and reincarnate, you could be a woman in your next like. Or a dog. Or a fish. Or an insect. Whatever. Because the soul is separate from the physical vessel it inhabits.

Not counting unusual, specific reincarnation rules like Zelda, where the same people keep reincarnating as the same people in new eras.
Depends on your religion.

I think the earliest reincarnation stories were a Semitic Zeus/Dionysus coming back the same for spring time

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ledbowman
10/27/21 10:27:36 AM
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lolife67 posted...
Lol what? It literally was a trend for decades. What do you think society was like when these characters were created? Do you think it was just a coincidence they were mostly straight, white men? You can't be that clueless.
that was the norm not a trend. they are only doing this now to make money. it's not a coincidence

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