Current Events > Why is WandaVision and Loki Marvel's only TV successes?

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What did those shows do right that their other shows did wrong?

Referring to the Disney+ shows, not the whole of Marvel TV so anything not made by Marvel Studios, like Daredevil or Agents of SHIELD don't count for this topic.

How are you defining "success?"

They had characters already established before Endgame that people liked. The rest have pretty much been origin stories and origin stories are kind of boring at this point because they don't do much to establish much of the greater MCU.

I would say Ms. Marvel was good though I don't know how popular it was. Tying Ms. Marvel to the multiverse basically allowed them to have an origin story that also pushed the multiverse story of the MCU forward at the same time.

idk but loki was awesome. not enough magic tho

Nota214 posted...

Tying Ms. Marvel to the multiverse

How was she tied to the Multiverse?

Loki is a legitimately good show with a well liked established character that lots of people actually wanted to see more of. It also debuts some new things that are important to the movies. I feel it very much earned it's spot at the top in Marvel show ratings.

WandaVision had the virtue of being first, having some actual connection to the main Marvel story at the time and is more than a generic superhero romp, which sadly it does turn into at some point. I actually didn't like it much, but it's not a bad show by any means.

What's most troubling is Falcon and Winter Soldier being so highly viewed and in 3rd place. It's just a drawn out movie and it would've been a bad movie too. I'd like to think it was just riding the coat tails of WV.

lolife67 posted...

How was she tied to the Multiverse?

The entire origin of her powers was that she is the descendant of someone who came from another universe. Her ability to crystalize light is because of her ties to both universes.

Nota214 posted...

The entire origin of her powers was that she is the descendant of someone who came from another universe. Her ability to crystalize light is because of her ties to both universes.

Thought they made her a mutant.

Nota214 posted...

The entire origin of her powers was that she is the descendant of someone who came from another universe. Her ability to crystalize light is because of her ties to both universes.

Oh ok. I don't recall it saying her relative came from an alternate universe. I'll have to watch it again.

Ivynn posted...

Thought they made her a mutant.

I think you're thinking Captain Marvel. Ms. Marvel was a series on Disney+.

Nota214 posted...

I think you're thinking Captain Marvel. Ms. Marvel was a series on Disney+.

No, I'm talking about Ms. Marvel. Thought they more or less said she was born with her abilities in the show. I'm going by what I heard tho, I still haven't watched it. >_>

Ivynn posted...

No, I'm talking about Ms. Marvel. Thought they more or less said she was born with her abilities in the show. I'm going by what I heard tho, I still haven't watched it. >_>

No, she has magical items that give her the powers

Nota214 posted...

I think you're thinking Captain Marvel. Ms. Marvel was a series on Disney+.

No, he's right. At the end they reveal she's a mutant (even playing the X-Men theme a bit.)

Euripides posted...

No, she has magical items that give her the powers

The bangle activated abilities she already had.

She's a mutant but I was under tge impression that her lineage being from another place was more along the lines of how Thor is not from here. I don't think they're from the multiverse

I was excited about the early Disney+ shows because they were dealing with either the aftermath of Endgame and/or the blip in different ways. WandaVision was a very character-specific look at this (though it jumped the shark by the end). Falcon and the Winter Soldier had a great opportunity to give us a more macro look at how the blip disrupted life on Earth, but it was trying to be four different shows at once. Loki was a look into the Multiverse from a villain's point of view.

The other series all felt like one-offs or origin stories (which may or may not eventually tie into this multiverse story) and had varying levels of success. I enjoyed Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk for what they were, but hated Moon Knight. Werewolf seemed like a complete waste of time

lolife67 posted...

No, he's right. At the end they reveal she's a mutant (even playing the X-Men theme a bit.)

It was both. At the end, they established that she had a mutation caused by her Djinn heritage. Pretty sure they're setting her up as the first mutant threat, according to the government, in the MCU.

Theyre all varying levels of shit, and WandaVision is the worst of the lot.

lolife67 posted...

How are you defining "success?"

This. If you are going off critics ratings. Moon Knight has a 86% score on Rotten Tomatoes.

Euripides posted...

I was excited about the early Disney+ shows because they were dealing with either the aftermath of Endgame and/or the blip in different ways. WandaVision was a very character-specific look at this (though it jumped the shark by the end). Falcon and the Winter Soldier had a great opportunity to give us a more macro look at how the blip disrupted life on Earth, but it was trying to be four different shows at once. Loki was a look into the Multiverse from a villain's point of view.

The other series all felt like one-offs or origin stories (which may or may not eventually tie into this multiverse story) and had varying levels of success. I enjoyed Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk for what they were, but hated Moon Knight. Werewolf seemed like a complete waste of time

COVID definitely hurt Falcon and Winter Soldiers story. But I thought the show was successful?

Jiek_Fafn posted...

Loki is a legitimately good show with a well liked established character that lots of people actually wanted to see more of. It also debuts some new things that are important to the movies. I feel it very much earned it's spot at the top in Marvel show ratings.

WandaVision had the virtue of being first, having some actual connection to the main Marvel story at the time and is more than a generic superhero romp, which sadly it does turn into at some point. I actually didn't like it much, but it's not a bad show by any means.

What's most troubling is Falcon and Winter Soldier being so highly viewed and in 3rd place. It's just a drawn out movie and it would've been a bad movie too. I'd like to think it was just riding the coat tails of WV.

Falcon and Winter Soldier was hurt by COVID, IIRC. They had to change the story last minute I think.

But the characters/actors definitely helped it. On social media it went viral and was so talked about. People were hyped for Sam and Bucky.

Loki is the best so far, by a lot.

Wandavision, F&WS, and Secret Invasion all though they could make the perpetrators of really evil acts seem sympathetic. No, I'm not going to feel bad for the mind-raper, the terrorist group, or the individuals planning genocide. Gross, stop doing that.

Hawkeye was OK, villains were lame.

With She-hulk, writing several episodes building to a bad ending will never be as good as building towards a good ending, regardless of how fun they think their lampshading moment is.

People like Loki and Wanda

Shows about characters fans liked and were interested in seeing more of.

Ms. Marvel was good idgaf what anyone says.

Cemith posted...

Ms. Marvel was good idgaf what anyone says.

I'll add Moon Knight to this list, too

Moon Knight was dope why are people hating on it?

Werewolf by Night was also cool as hell.

Unknown5uspect posted...

Moon Knight was dope why are people hating on it?

Dunno, just really didn't like it. Completely disconnected from the rest of the MCU and the whole thing felt clunky

Returning_CEmen posted...

Shows about characters fans liked and were interested in seeing more of.

People liked fury too tho

I'll be the one to say it, but almost all the MCU shows sucked for this simple fact, they all missed the landing with its finale, Secret Invasion being the biggest offender. I'm just waiting for the hopeful "Andor" for the Marvel television series to show up, but until they all been disapointments imo.