Poll of the Day > god they're really going to make me vote for joe biden again

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why do they make me vote for joe biden

If the Dems and Reps were both blocked from running, which of the 3rd parties would you vote for

I'll do it loud & proud.

Lokarin posted...

If the Dems and Reps were both blocked from running, which of the 3rd parties would you vote for

bernie sanders

kind9 posted... I'll do it loud & proud.

i'll do it normal volume and begrudgingly

Trump seems to inexplicably get more support and donations from Republicans the more indictments and convictions he racks up.

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orlouge82 posted...

Trump seems to inexplicably get more support and donations from Republicans the more indictments and convictions he racks up.

He's playing the helpless, innocent victim angle pretty hard. The more he's convicted, the more people who believe he's done nothing wrong (or that he shouldn't be punished for doing wrong things because he's somehow above that) want to push back against that perceived injustice.

orlouge82 posted...

Trump seems to inexplicably get more support and donations from Republicans the more indictments and convictions he racks up.

Morons and their money are soon parted or some shit, so the saying goes

Trump supporters enjoy reality denial. I guess that's the only way a person can claim to be moral while still supporting/defending Trump in 2024, without cognitive dissonance.

yall are fucking hysterical and its well... hysterical

youre about the same level of cringe as schmen on one of his captain capitalism rants, and similarly to him you all turn it up a notch every election season

democracy was a mistake

Self own lol

ItIsSoOver posted...

yall are fucking hysterical and its well... hysterical

youre about the same level of cringe as schmen on one of his captain capitalism rants, and similarly to him you all turn it up a notch every election season

democracy was a mistake

I remember thinking I was so much cooler than everyone else for being apathetic about politics. Those were good times. It's a pity that high school ends so fast.

Lokarin posted...

If the Dems and Reps were both blocked from running, which of the 3rd parties would you vote for

Unfortunately the opposite is true lol. They make anyone who isn't rep or dem jump through hoops to even debate

orlouge82 posted...

Trump seems to inexplicably get more support and donations from Republicans the more indictments and convictions he racks up.

Conservatives only want criminals to represent them.

Between his age, Israel, and perceptions of the economy, I feel like he's the only Democrat that could lose to Trump.

I voted 3rd party in 2020 and my conscience is clear. I probably won't vote at all this election, still clear.

Been saying it for over almost 20 years, and no one can convince me otherwise: the presidential nominees are not the best America has to offer. Never have been. The DNC and RNC are legalized ballot box rigging.

BADoglick posted...

Between his age, Israel, and perceptions of the economy, I feel like he's the only Democrat that could lose to Trump.

Hillary Clinton?

Jen0125 posted...

why do they make me vote for joe biden

No one is making you do it

EvilResident posted...

No one is making you do it

Yea, a bunch of people did. They had a choice of Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders and the chose him. Then a bunch of other people chose a fascist... twice. You either vote for Biden or you vote for evil.

I mean, compared to the alternative..

Unfortunately, without voting reform we're all stuck voting for the viable candidate we dislike the least.

EvilResident posted...

No one is making you do it

From a practical and realistic standpoint, yes they are.

Jen0125 posted...

From a practical and realistic standpoint, yes they are.

From an intelligent standpoint, too

BADoglick posted...

Israel

Any politician with any chance of becoming President is pro Israel lmao

adjl posted...

I remember thinking I was so much cooler than everyone else for being apathetic about politics. Those were good times. It's a pity that high school ends so fast.

To be fair, I was super political in high school and most of college. Getting a minor in Political Science was enough to turn me off of political discussions for the rest of my life.

Easy to become apathetic about politics/voting when you vote and vote and either nothing changes or it just gets worse

A true socialist (a.k.a. left-wing) would never vote for a liberal like Biden, let alone one who actively supports genocide. When will people realize that voting for the lesser evil is only helping the rigged system stay in place? Fight for voting reform, that's the only way to make your country become a democratic one. I'm glad Americans are finally starting to realize that there's no democracy in the US, but it baffles me to see that so many of them are still upholding the illusion of democracy.

Accrovideogames posted...

A true socialist (a.k.a. left-wing) would never vote for a liberal like Biden, let alone one who actively supports genocide. When will people realize that voting for the lesser evil is only helping the rigged system stay in place? Fight for voting reform, that's the only way to make your country become a democratic one. I'm glad Americans are finally starting to realize that there's no democracy in the US, but it baffles me to see that so many of them are still upholding the illusion of democracy.

The cost is too high for such idealistic nonsense when it just helps Trump.

Accrovideogames posted...

A true socialist (a.k.a. left-wing) would never vote for a liberal like Biden, let alone one who actively supports genocide. When will people realize that voting for the lesser evil is only helping the rigged system stay in place? Fight for voting reform, that's the only way to make your country become a democratic one. I'm glad Americans are finally starting to realize that there's no democracy in the US, but it baffles me to see that so many of them are still upholding the illusion of democracy.

America has never been a democracy. People really misunderstand what democracy actually is and it's usually the people that scream about it the loudest

america is a democratic republic, which is not democracy, it's democracy-adjacent

if we didn't have an overarching goverment, i.e the feds, then it would be a democracy...in some states.

Yeah I'm progressive not an anarchist. I can only work in the system I have. I'm not a revolutionary.

Your choices this November:

Old guy who won't really do anything
Slightly less old guy who likes Hitler
Vote for a third party, which is the same as a vote for the Hitler guy
Don't vote at all, which is the same as a vote for the Hitler guy

Accrovideogames posted...

When will people realize that voting for the lesser evil is only helping the rigged system stay in place?

The alternatives are to vote for the greater evil or not vote at all (which increases the chance that the greater evil wins). Unless there is actually a viable candidate that's including voting reform in their platform (and even that's not a guarantee, just ask Canada), the election is not an opportunity to push for voting reform. The election is an opportunity to work within the system you have to get the best outcome that system allows. Treating it otherwise will never accomplish anything more than helping the party that most benefits from lower voter turnout.

OhhhJa posted...

Easy to become apathetic about politics/voting when you vote and vote and either nothing changes or it just gets worse

It is easy to become apathetic, but that just justifies giving up and disengaging. Actively deriding people who are still motivated enough to care and try isn't apathy, it's a thinly-veiled effort yo defend the status quo.

If it is that bad then just don't vote.

IqarP15 posted...

If it is that bad then just don't vote.

You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Yep, this year is going to suck. I have had so many republican voters tell me they don't like Trump, or they wish they had a different choice as well, yet they had a great opportunity with the primaries to nominate someone else. The media sure as hell doesn't help anything either. They prop the orange menace up because he equals ratings for them.

Archgoat posted...

Yep, this year is going to suck. I have had so many republican voters tell me they don't like Trump, or they wish they had a different choice as well, yet they had a great opportunity with the primaries to nominate someone else. The media sure as hell doesn't help anything either. They prop the orange menace up because he equals ratings for them.

Yeah like repubs have an opportunity with their primary to make a stance. Dems don't have the luxury this time around. Repubs are making it clear they're okay with Donald Trump still despite what they may be saying.

Jen0125 posted...

why do they make me vote for joe biden

Because he is atleast doing somewhat good in Israel. Support Israel and vote for Trump or Biden

Devil_May_Cry posted...

Because he is atleast doing somewhat good in Israel. Support Israel and vote for Trump or Biden

I don't support Israel

Fuck Israel tbh

Jen0125 posted...

I don't support Israel

Fuck Israel tbh

Well then vote on some other issue. Just be aware your true colors are showing with statements like this so keep quiet imo

Devil_May_Cry posted...

Just be aware your true colors are showing with statements like this

Personally, I don't have any issues showing the colour of "genocide is bad." I'd even go so far as to suggest that anyone who does have issues with that particular colour should immediately re-evaluate their views on the world and consider permanently isolating themselves from society in every possible regard if they choose not to change their mind.

Devil_May_Cry posted...

Well then vote on some other issue. Just be aware your true colors are showing with statements like this so keep quiet imo

Free Palestine

If all my education on the Holocaust taught me anything it's Free Palestine. Being a victim doesn't give you the right to perpetrate the same crimes against others.

adjl posted...

Personally, I don't have any issues showing the colour of "genocide is bad." I'd even go so far as to suggest that anyone who does have issues with that particular colour should immediately re-evaluate their views on the world and consider permanently isolating themselves from society in every possible regard if they choose not to change their mind.

So supporting our greatest ally in their time of need means we have to basically gulag ourselves to a mental Siberia?

Devil_May_Cry posted...

So supporting our greatest ally in their time of need means we have to basically gulag ourselves to a mental Siberia?

What do they need? Help killing more children and babies? No thanks lol

Jen0125 posted...

Free Palestine

If all my education on the Holocaust taught me anything it's Free Palestine. Being a victim doesn't give you the right to perpetrate the same crimes against others.

Palestine elected terrorist Hamas. Palestine oppresses women and kills lgbt you should be banned for this if our mods had any modicum of decency

Devil_May_Cry posted...

Palestine elected terrorist Hamas. Palestine oppresses women and kills lgbt you should be banned for this if our mods had any modicum of decency

So you think Palestinians deserve death because they have a government that hasn't allowed free elections since like 2006? Make that make sense please.

Devil_May_Cry posted...

So supporting our greatest ally in their time of need

Massacring civilians en masse and deliberately engineering one of the worst refugee crises in recent memory are not "needs" that I particularly care to support. I'm all for helping Israel defend themselves as needed (I think establishing the country after WWII was a mistake, but at this point reversing that decision would likely cause more harm than good, so we can really only work with what we've got), but what's happening right now is not defense. It's genocide.

To call Israel anyone's "greatest ally" is also quite the stretch. Globally, the country is a pretty minor power with little historical significance to back up that title (bearing in mind that they didn't exist during either World War and weren't particularly involved in any other high-stakes conflicts since their inception). The largest benefit they offer as an ally is a staging ground for any offensives the West wants to conduct in the Middle East, which is useful, but hardly "greatest ally" material when you can name a country that single-handedly allowed the US to form in the first place.

BoomerKuwanger posted...

adjl you crazy

I'm not getting into the Israel discussion again, especially after this guy was outed as MAGA, they aren't even worth trying to argue with

Perhaps not, but he's not the only one reading this thread, and I don't want to leave his propaganda unchallenged. Especially around Israel, there's a ton of ignorance about the region's history and what's actually going on there right now, which is why so many people default to "I feel bad about the Holocaust, so I should probably stand up for the Jews here." Propaganda like his preys on that ignorance, so I do what I can to challenge it and educate the ignorant.

Remember that the goal in a public argument is not necessarily to convince your opponent, but to convince the gallery.