Poll of the Day > Bernie Sanders introduces legislation for 32 hour work week

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Jen0125
03/14/24 3:42:17 PM
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https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-sanders-introduces-legislation-to-enact-a-32-hour-workweek-with-no-loss-in-pay/
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adjl
03/14/24 3:45:29 PM
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Pretty great, but I'll be astounded if it actually goes through.

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Jen0125
03/14/24 3:47:12 PM
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adjl posted...
Pretty great, but I'll be astounded if it actually goes through.

It defintiely won't lol but we can usually rely on Bernie to introduce things like this at least.
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Yellow
03/14/24 3:52:29 PM
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That idea might be considered right leaning in a couple years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiKvPJSOUmE

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agesboy
03/14/24 3:52:36 PM
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im still so mad at how dirty they did him four years ago

he is one of the very few politicians i actually trust

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adjl
03/14/24 4:19:06 PM
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agesboy posted...
he is one of the very few politicians i actually trust

And that's why they do him dirty.

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Jen0125
03/14/24 4:42:26 PM
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agesboy posted...
im still so mad at how dirty they did him four years ago

he is one of the very few politicians i actually trust

Yep. I'm very, very bitter.
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agesboy
03/14/24 4:48:08 PM
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adjl posted...
And that's why they do him dirty.
i know, and if it was me playing a video game focused only on the end results i'd do exactly what the DNC did, but

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keyblader1985
03/14/24 7:17:06 PM
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The man just never stops trying, and that's what we should all aspire to be. If we actually want the world to be a better place than it is, then we each have a moral obligation to do our part to try to make it so.

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Zareth
03/14/24 7:31:13 PM
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The problem is that too many people would rather make the world a worse place for others and a better place for themselves

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Tora_Sami
03/14/24 9:32:18 PM
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adjl posted...
And that's why they do him dirty.

Which is why I voted trump in 2016....which I deeply regret. I just wanted the democrats to regret sniffing out Bernie. I'm a independent so a Republican in charge wasn't that bad...but jeebus criminy how was I going to know it would be this fuckin bad? I didn't want the end of democracy.

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Greenfox111
03/15/24 1:23:42 PM
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Tora_Sami posted...
Which is why I voted trump in 2016....which I deeply regret. I just wanted the democrats to regret sniffing out Bernie. I'm a independent so a Republican in charge wasn't that bad...but jeebus criminy how was I going to know it would be this fuckin bad? I didn't want the end of democracy.
Well you know a good indicator would have been anything and everything he said during his campaign

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Lord_Shadow
03/15/24 2:51:54 PM
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Tora_Sami posted...
Which is why I voted trump in 2016....which I deeply regret. I just wanted the democrats to regret sniffing out Bernie. I'm a independent so a Republican in charge wasn't that bad...but jeebus criminy how was I going to know it would be this fuckin bad? I didn't want the end of democracy.
Personally I don't blame people that much for voting for Trump in 2016 Hillary was terrible and I wrote in Sanders thinking Hillary would beat a clown like Trump however anyone who voted for him 2020 are out of thier mind and anyone who votes for him in 2024 are traitors

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Ogurisama
03/15/24 2:57:08 PM
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As long as its written in a way that someone who works over 32 hours a week already, keeps the same yearly pay.

So someone on a wage not a salary, ans is working 40 hours every week doesnt lose 8 hours a pay a week, it will be good.

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obsolete
03/15/24 3:01:26 PM
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It won't past.
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Jen0125
03/15/24 3:26:43 PM
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obsolete posted...
It won't past.

It won't future either.
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adjl
03/15/24 3:47:42 PM
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It is a gift. That's why they call it the present.

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Dikitain
03/15/24 3:56:30 PM
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Ogurisama posted...
As long as its written in a way that someone who works over 32 hours a week already, keeps the same yearly pay.

So someone on a wage not a salary, ans is working 40 hours every week doesnt lose 8 hours a pay a week, it will be good.

I think a better solution would be to just do away with wages entirely and move everyone to salary, in addition to requiring anyone working over a certain amount of hours a week (32 in this case) to be given compensation for additional hours worked.

"Oh, I'm sorry, you want to cut my hours because you don't have enough work for me? Too bad, you still need to pay me the same regardless!"

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adjl
03/15/24 4:04:45 PM
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Dikitain posted...
I think a better solution would be to just do away with wages entirely and move everyone to salary, in addition to requiring anyone working over a certain amount of hours a week (32 in this case) to be given compensation for additional hours worked.

"Oh, I'm sorry, you want to cut my hours because you don't have enough work for me? Too bad, you still need to pay me the same regardless!"

That, or UBI and do away with wage laws more or less entirely (except the basics like "you need to pay people what you agreed to pay them"). Most of the problems with wages and hours and whatnot boil down to the fact that pushing back against questionable practices is so rarely worth the jeopardy that puts many people's livelihoods in. Secure their basic survival such that employment is large optional, and that puts the onus on the employer to make the compensation appealing enough to keep them doing the work.

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Maximothelad
03/15/24 9:06:22 PM
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LMAO it will never pass. Second Bernie Sanders has had 40 years,never passed a single bill and has done NOTHING his entire useless existence.
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Maximothelad
03/15/24 9:08:55 PM
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Dikitain posted...
I think a better solution would be to just do away with wages entirely and move everyone to salary, in addition to requiring anyone working over a certain amount of hours a week (32 in this case) to be given compensation for additional hours worked.

"Oh, I'm sorry, you want to cut my hours because you don't have enough work for me? Too bad, you still need to pay me the same regardless!"
Never going to happen. Even a worse idea. People who work "Salary" are told all the time you work when I tell you to work. No exceptions. You'll often pull 50-60 hour weeks. No overtime, no hourly wage, same pay if you work 5 hours or 100. It's a stupid flawed idea. High end corporate jobs do that. Meanwhile imagine doing that at McDonalds? Those people don't care about their job now, imagine if they had CONSTANT PAY . They shut down most of the time anyway and go "We don't care"
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CyborgSage00x0
03/15/24 10:21:25 PM
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agesboy posted...
im still so mad at how dirty they did him four years ago

he is one of the very few politicians i actually trust
Did him dirty how?

The Bernie Bros that helped get Trump elected (not saying that you are) had many flaws, but the biggest is forgetting the President can't do anything without Congress. Absolutely nothing Bernie wanted to happen was going to pass without a full majority Dem Congress, and even then that would be doubtful.

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adjl
03/15/24 10:25:58 PM
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Maximothelad posted...
Even a worse idea. People who work "Salary" are told all the time you work when I tell you to work. No exceptions. You'll often pull 50-60 hour weeks. No overtime, no hourly wage, same pay if you work 5 hours or 100. It's a stupid flawed idea. High end corporate jobs do that.

Man, if only the idea he proposed mandated that people be paid extra for overtime. That would have completely headed off that problem you came up with and made your post totally unnecessary.

Maximothelad posted...
Meanwhile imagine doing that at McDonalds? Those people don't care about their job now, imagine if they had CONSTANT PAY . They shut down most of the time anyway and go "We don't care"

Being paid the same minimum salary regardless of hours worked doesn't preclude somebody from being fired or docked pay for failing to do the work that's required of them. It just means that employees' livelihood won't be compromised by irresponsible hiring and scheduling practices.

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IAmNowGone
03/15/24 10:55:55 PM
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i give up hope on Bernie saving us
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Monopoman
03/16/24 4:08:18 AM
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IAmNowGone posted...
i give up hope on Bernie saving us

He tries his best but he has trouble getting people on board with his ideas. No matter Democrat or Republican one thing they all worship at is big business, and Bernie definitely doesn't fall into that.

While Republicans typically are worse at trying to help the middle class, both parties care heavily about what's best for giant ass corporations.

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Nade_Duck
03/16/24 4:49:43 AM
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we're all gonna be getting replaced with AI and machines before long. sure some new jobs will be created but likely something will need done to compensate. UBI is the only suggestion i've heard that sounds good.

plus fuck my job i don't wanna go anymore.

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grimhilde00
03/16/24 4:15:16 PM
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some councils here implemented 4 day working weeks and then were told to stop lol..

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-calls-time-on-councils-running-four-day-weeks

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grimhilde00
03/16/24 4:16:04 PM
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looks like it was successful for private companies that implemented it though

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2024/feb/21/four-day-week-made-permanent-for-most-uk-firms-in-worlds-biggest-trial

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ChronoXGP
03/16/24 9:26:51 PM
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the sad part is most people already work 32 hour weeks
they want less people to have health insurance which is why they want you 40 hours
they know most people are too tired to work more than 32 hours in these jobs that have you put out 2x the effort for 1/2 the pay
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adjl
03/16/24 10:28:42 PM
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grimhilde00 posted...
some councils here implemented 4 day working weeks and then were told to stop lol..

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-calls-time-on-councils-running-four-day-weeks

"It's paramount that we get appropriate value for taxpayer money, but we're also going to put absolutely zero thought into measuring the value delivered beyond counting the number of hours people are required to work."

Classic top-down micromanagement. Never mind that those councils are capable of evaluating for themselves whether or not a four-day week has impacted their ability to deliver the necessary services, better have people who are too far removed from those activities to evaluate anything make sweeping decisions based on what's most likely to appeal to dinosaurs that will angrily vote against anything that might benefit workers.

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Monopoman
03/17/24 12:12:59 AM
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ChronoXGP posted...
the sad part is most people already work 32 hour weeks
they want less people to have health insurance which is why they want you 40 hours
they know most people are too tired to work more than 32 hours in these jobs that have you put out 2x the effort for 1/2 the pay

Well that and no way is any worker outside of one with a very strict deadline requirement pushing every minute they are at work. People find countless ways to either slow their work speed or spend extra time in the bathroom or sitting at their desk doing non-work things.

Sure if you work at McDonalds it's hard to slack off unless the place is dead, but at an office job there are a dozen ways to do so unless you have a very strict deadline or boss. I find it funny that in Japan the bosses like it more when employees stay at work longer no matter what, a guy could literally be sleeping at his desk and it's past normal work hours the boss is impressed.

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pikakaeru
03/17/24 12:37:46 AM
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He lost his shit at some reporter questioning him on it. Can't say I blame him though.

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ChronoXGP
03/17/24 1:52:17 AM
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Monopoman posted...
Well that and no way is any worker outside of one with a very strict deadline requirement pushing every minute they are at work. People find countless ways to either slow their work speed or spend extra time in the bathroom or sitting at their desk doing non-work things.

Sure if you work at McDonalds it's hard to slack off unless the place is dead, but at an office job there are a dozen ways to do so unless you have a very strict deadline or boss. I find it funny that in Japan the bosses like it more when employees stay at work longer no matter what, a guy could literally be sleeping at his desk and it's past normal work hours the boss is impressed.

You are required to have a 15min break
no one in my state enforces this, you will actually get fired by the corporation for sitting down on the job
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Monopoman
03/17/24 5:55:07 AM
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ChronoXGP posted...
You are required to have a 15min break
no one in my state enforces this, you will actually get fired by the corporation for sitting down on the job

My point was that no one works the full 40 hours and it's not about breaks bud. Trust me at an office plenty take their time going to the bathroom or might check their personal email on their computer.

I realize it's against the law to force someone to work an 8 hour shift and give them 0 breaks and no lunch break.

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LinkPizza
03/17/24 7:48:36 AM
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If it works, Ill probably just work the same among of hours either way. Any extra hours for me gets turned into extra hours of leave I can take when I want. That said, Im not even sure if itll affect me the way, anyway

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adjl
03/17/24 12:14:18 PM
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Monopoman posted...
Well that and no way is any worker outside of one with a very strict deadline requirement pushing every minute they are at work. People find countless ways to either slow their work speed or spend extra time in the bathroom or sitting at their desk doing non-work things.

Sure if you work at McDonalds it's hard to slack off unless the place is dead, but at an office job there are a dozen ways to do so unless you have a very strict deadline or boss. I find it funny that in Japan the bosses like it more when employees stay at work longer no matter what, a guy could literally be sleeping at his desk and it's past normal work hours the boss is impressed.

It does vary from job to job, but that's pretty much what most 4-day work week experiments have found: With shorter weeks, employees have generally been found to be more productive, getting the same amount of work (sometimes even more) done in fewer total hours. Naturally, there's no one-size-fits-all solution (especially when dealing with jobs where being present and waiting for customers to show up is important), and to that end I'm not sure how well blanket legislation would actually work, but there's plenty of evidence out there that blindly sticking to a 5-day/40-hour standard yields no actual benefit to justify the impact it has on employees in many cases.

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Zareth
03/17/24 5:50:05 PM
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Nade_Duck posted...
we're all gonna be getting replaced with AI and machines before long. sure some new jobs will be created but likely something will need done to compensate.
The compensation will be 90% of the population dying in the streets.

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Nade_Duck
03/17/24 6:51:50 PM
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Zareth posted...
The compensation will be 90% of the population dying in the streets.
as long as i don't have to work anymore i guess it's fine.

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keyblader1985
03/17/24 8:31:51 PM
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ChronoXGP posted...
You are required to have a 15min break
Not in my state.

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EchoBaz
03/17/24 10:22:26 PM
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Something is only a requirement if the rule is enforced.

Amazon factories for example do a bunch of illegal shit to their employees out in the open, they know that no one is going to stop them.

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adjl
03/17/24 10:31:07 PM
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EchoBaz posted...
Something is only a requirement if the rule is enforced.

Amazon factories for example do a bunch of illegal shit to their employees out in the open, they know that no one is going to stop them.

More than that, very often the punishment if they're caught is a fine that doesn't come close to what they save/make by ignoring the rule on a larger scale. Even if a given employee decides to report them and they get fined, the (wholly justified) fear of reprisal will keep most employees from doing the same, and more often than not they can easily eat the fine without denting the bottom line (and, in fact, there's a good chance they've already budgeted for the fine).

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33Elite
03/18/24 4:27:31 AM
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adjl posted...
Pretty great, but I'll be astounded if it actually goes through.


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33Elite
03/18/24 4:28:15 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
It defintiely won't lol but we can usually rely on Bernie to introduce things like this at least.
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captpackrat
03/18/24 7:09:59 AM
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adjl posted...
More than that, very often the punishment if they're caught is a fine that doesn't come close to what they save/make by ignoring the rule on a larger scale. Even if a given employee decides to report them and they get fined, the (wholly justified) fear of reprisal will keep most employees from doing the same, and more often than not they can easily eat the fine without denting the bottom line (and, in fact, there's a good chance they've already budgeted for the fine).
It's not illegal if the fine is less than the amount of money they make doing it.


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adjl
03/18/24 10:11:27 AM
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captpackrat posted...
It's not illegal if the fine is less than the amount of money they make doing it.

And that's why we need fines that are a percentage of total company revenue. Breaks are an easy one to calculate: if you keep people working for the full 8 hours instead of giving them a paid 15-minute break, you're getting 3.35% more productivity out of them. So every day there's a report of somebody being denied a break, fine the company 3.5% of their average daily income. They rack up three strikes, assume it's happening chronically and fine them 3.5% of their average monthly income and conduct surprise monthly inspections for the next year. They have another infraction within a year of the first one, fine them according to their annual income.

All of a sudden, Amazon starts caring a whole lot about making sure that every single franchise follows local break laws.

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rexcrk
03/18/24 2:23:24 PM
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I mean, itll never happen, but Id be elated if it did (with wages adjusted of course). Ive been taking personal days that I have to use before May so like every other week Ive had a nice three day weekend, and I always feel so much more rested and happy on those weeks.

Sick of living to work.


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adjl
03/18/24 2:39:23 PM
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I do love me some 3-day weekends. Two days just isn't enough. It always seems to work out that I get one day of doing household stuff and errands, then one day of either actively doing recreational things or just chilling at home. That means I don't get chilling time between work weeks if I do stuff, which just makes the prospect of doing things annoyingly tiring. Throw a third day in there, though, and I get one day for each, no problems.

I really need to look into setting up a compressed work schedule. The most common arrangement we use is working an extra half hour each day and getting a day off every three weeks, but where I'm working full-time from home my hours are rarely a consistent 9-5 anyway (since it's so easy to just dip out of work for a bit if it's quiet, or stick around a little longer if I need to) and adding an extra half hour wouldn't meaningfully change that.

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Lokarin
03/18/24 2:47:37 PM
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Productivity in the US has gone up 400% since the '40s, but y'all still working 40 hours... If y'all were chillo you'd only need 10 hours a week to get the same quality of life as the 1940s

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adjl
03/18/24 2:57:25 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Productivity in the US has gone up 400% since the '40s, but y'all still working 40 hours... If y'all were chillo you'd only need 10 hours a week to get the same quality of life as the 1940s

8 hours, actually. "Up 400%" means we're at 500%.

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Colonel_Lingus
03/19/24 1:31:10 PM
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I don't think a 32-hour work week would work as a truck driver. I work 4 days a week and get a 3-day weekend, but it's like 40-45 hours a week.

I don't think I could do my job at 32 hours a week due to the nature of the work, but I like not having to work 5+ days a week. I'm fine with 4 10-hour days if I can keep the 3-day weekends. 3 12-hour days would be ideal in my situation. But every industry is a little different
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