From: Zachnorn | #041 Actually, a few months ago, there was an AoD topic where I made a list of nominations that might be removed, unless people gave me a reason to keep them. I admit that I haven't been doing this consistently, since I've only done it once! But as I said, I am planning to do it again at some point.
That's not really you doing anything about it, though. You didn't remove them with your own discretion, you removed them because other people didn't care enough to save them.
The point of it was for others to be able to give me input on whether there is any actual merit to those nominations, because I didn't see any reason to let them continue. As long as people provided a good reason why I should allow it in, it would be saved.
Well I disagree on the part about being banned because of nominating all that, but huh, I guess I shouldn't just nominate everything that pops up in my head from now on.
From: LinkMarioSamus | #053 Well I disagree on the part about being banned because of nominating all that, but huh, I guess I shouldn't just nominate everything that pops up in my head from now on.
Fine with me.
Well, if you really mean this, I guess I'll go with Disagree
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From: LinkMarioSamus | #053 Well I disagree on the part about being banned because of nominating all that, but huh, I guess I shouldn't just nominate everything that pops up in my head from now on.
Fine with me.
if you meant this, you would've stopped nominating the bad stuff when this AoD was first nominated!
agree
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I have to agree with l3fty. This isn't like the first time people have pointed out how bad LMS's nominations are. For one, this topic's been on the list for some time now. Another thing is that the issue has been raised quite a few times in this topic before.
Nom: Phineas & Ferb > My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic None of your personal top 10 games of all time have ever been on a Sega console. when searching for games on Gamefaqs, having to browse through pages for a certain letter for a certain console is stupid
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Disagree. He posts a bunch of inequalities as his AoD nominations, but it's not like there would be a lot of insightful AoDs every day. His nominations are more like filler. He provides quantity in the absence of quality AoDs.
LinkMarioSamus posted... Well I disagree on the part about being banned because of nominating all that, but huh, I guess I shouldn't just nominate everything that pops up in my head from now on.
Fine with me.
You should nominate whatever the hell you'd like. Don't let the haters change you.
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Disagree. I'll admit that this is a difficult situation, but I find it weird that people like Ed and Leon are criticizing Zach for not banning LMS and jumping to conclusions that he solely does it because he's "afraid that people get mad at him." I think Zach is in the right here - to ban a user because "his nominations are sucky" is incredibly subjective and completely inappropriate behavior for a neutral host of this project. Besides, in the history of AoD we've had tons of terrible nominations, some that weren't even opinions (didn't we do "2+2=4" once or something?), so it's kinda unfair that only LMS gets called out on this.
Now, I'm not saying nothing should be done about this - other users have already pointed out alternative options like making the denomination system more effective or putting a limit on the number of nominations a user can make. But I don't think banning LMS is the way to go.
And, again, this wouldn't be an issue if Zach actually threw out bad noms, but I have my doubts that he will for reasons I already stated.
As I said, I wouldn't be in favor of Zach throwing out "bad noms," because that's subjective and I don't think Zach should be the ultimate judge of this. If I were to nominate, say, "The Beach Boys > The Beatles" (which could be interesting in my view), I wouldn't want Zach to throw out this nomination just because he thinks it sucks. I'd much rather have nominations thrown out by consensus (hence why I said I'd like for the denomination system to be more effective).
"Like Ed and Leon"? It's not like Ed and Leon are the most reasonable users or something.
I don't have a problem with them at all, but I figured they'd be more in favor of a host running a project neutrally.
tbh, ed and leon are some of the more seasoned project runners, if they think that banning a user will improve a project you gotta at least listen.
Unless you guys think Leon has been running NRT badly and Ed's never had a worthwhile project, in which case you should do the opposite of what they say.
voltch posted... tbh, ed and leon are some of the more seasoned project runners, if they think that banning a user will improve a project you gotta at least listen.
Unless you guys think Leon has been running NRT badly and Ed's never had a worthwhile project, in which case you should do the opposite of what they say.
The problem is that they dislike certain users and their bias towards those users affects their judgement big time.
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From: Vlado | #079 The problem is that they dislike certain users and their bias towards those users affects their judgement big time.
Yeah, you can stop acting like you know anything about me anytime now, Vlado. This doesn't have anything to do with my opinion of LMS as a user.
I'm for a host being neutral, but I'm also for a host doing what's necessary to make this project successful and enjoyable. 15 AoDs about whether Melee is better than Brawl, OoT is better than Super Metroid, Mario World is better than Other M, etc. are not my idea of an enjoyable topic series that's (supposedly) not just about video game discussion. Throwing out bad nominations isn't a lack of neutrality. If you constantly have people de-nomming his nominations every topic, then you should be somewhat proactive about it and deal with it yourself. If LMS stops nominating the same crap over and over again and actually starts nominating other stuff, fine. This doesn't have as much to do with LMS as a user as it does with the fact that he nominates inequalities involving the same 5 Nintendo games over and over again, with slight variation. Nobody finds those enjoyable anymore but him because he's driven them into the ground.
This doesn't necessarily have to be a permanent ban either. You can ban him for a month, a couple weeks, whatever. But some action needs to be taken because you have a decent portion of this topic series' fanbase who is annoyed with it. I've done things I haven't necessarily wanted to do as a contest host because people thought it would make the contest better. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But at the very least, when this many people are complaining, you can't just do nothing.
^Well said. I'm still against banning his nominations on the grounds that it's a bit extreme, but something seriously needs to be done (e.g. denom system needs to be amped up or noms need to be limited- especially in LMS's and perhaps Ulti's case(s)) before we end up with a cluttered list of inequalities. The current denom system isn't effective enough imo. And no we should not encourage certain people to nominate "whatever the hell they like" because it's really in no one's best interests to waste everyone's time.
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Wasn't there something like Gran Turismo > uh...I forget what game. It was some obscure game in a completely different genre, like Glover or something.
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GenesisSaga posted... ^Well said. I'm still against banning his nominations on the grounds that it's a bit extreme, but something seriously needs to be done (e.g. denom system needs to be amped up or noms need to be limited- especially in LMS's and perhaps Ulti's case(s)) before we end up with a cluttered list of inequalities. The current denom system isn't effective enough imo. And no we should not encourage certain people to nominate "whatever the hell they like" because it's really in no one's best interests to waste everyone's time.
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At the point where you get 3 nominations and 1 denomination per person, what ends up happening is someone who commonly gets denominated has further incentive to use all 3 slots to get ahead. Not that I think LMS would necessarily use less nominations even if denominations were removed, but still. It also takes more effort to denominate than to randomly nominate crap repeatedly.
I think the answer here is just move nominations down to 1 per person per topic to reduce the massive spam-filled nomination list. If we get starved for nominations later on down the line, the change can be reverted but for now it'd be a worthwhile experiment.
LeonhartFour posted... From: Vlado | #079 The problem is that they dislike certain users and their bias towards those users affects their judgement big time. Yeah, you can stop acting like you know anything about me anytime now, Vlado. This doesn't have anything to do with my opinion of LMS as a user.
I'm for a host being neutral, but I'm also for a host doing what's necessary to make this project successful and enjoyable. 15 AoDs about whether Melee is better than Brawl, OoT is better than Super Metroid, Mario World is better than Other M, etc. are not my idea of an enjoyable topic series that's (supposedly) not just about video game discussion. Throwing out bad nominations isn't a lack of neutrality. If you constantly have people de-nomming his nominations every topic, then you should be somewhat proactive about it and deal with it yourself. If LMS stops nominating the same crap over and over again and actually starts nominating other stuff, fine. This doesn't have as much to do with LMS as a user as it does with the fact that he nominates inequalities involving the same 5 Nintendo games over and over again, with slight variation. Nobody finds those enjoyable anymore but him because he's driven them into the ground.
This doesn't necessarily have to be a permanent ban either. You can ban him for a month, a couple weeks, whatever. But some action needs to be taken because you have a decent portion of this topic series' fanbase who is annoyed with it. I've done things I haven't necessarily wanted to do as a contest host because people thought it would make the contest better. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But at the very least, when this many people are complaining, you can't just do nothing.
Who are you to say what nominations are bad and what aren't? If Zach needs to do something, it's limiting the inequality nominations so that only 30% of the queue can be inequalities or something like that.
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From: Vlado | #086 Who are you to say what nominations are bad and what aren't?
Repetition and redundancy of ideas in a topic series like this is bad, whether it's LMS, whether it's Nintendo game inequalities, or whatever.
I know you like to stick up for "the little guy" and "do whatever you want even if it ticks people off," but repeating the same series of nominations over and over again is bad for this topic series.
And it's pretty easy to say it's bad when you've got a fair number of people who are irritated with it.
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Throwing out bad nominations isn't a lack of neutrality.
Yes, it is. Like I said, "bad" is subjective. Let's say that I nominate a bunch of rap-related AoDs and Zach throws them all out because he thinks any AoD about rap music is bad. That's not being neutral.
Otherwise I agree with you for the most part. Something should be done (which is why I said I'm for making the denomination system more effective or limiting the amount of nominations a user can make). I think that if the denom system is more effective and people keep denomming LMS' nominations, he'll stop nominating stuff eventually. If he doesn't and keeps being a nuisance, that would be the point to do something as drastic as banning him, I guess.
From: Mr Lasastryke | #088 Let's say that I nominate a bunch of rap-related AoDs and Zach throws them all out because he thinks any AoD about rap music is bad. That's not being neutral.
It's not about throwing out things from a certain topic like rap.
But if you know people are annoyed with something to the point that any topic you make on that point is going to get a bunch of "Close" votes, then why waste the topic?
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His nominations don't share any common themes. It's like, "FFVII is way better than Pong!", like it's just two games he just finished playing or something and he had to throw out his opinion. There's nothing worthy to discuss.
From: metaIslugg | #091 His nominations don't share any common themes. It's like, "FFVII is way better than Pong!", like it's just two games he just finished playing or something and he had to throw out his opinion.
That's the common theme.
All he ever nominates are "This game is better than that game," and they're usually Nintendo games.
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Although I do agree with Ulti. Regardless of what LMS may say, he does not care that we think the stuff he nominates is annoying because this has been brought up repeatedly before this topic was ever made, and if he really cared, we wouldn't be having this topic right now.
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But if you know people are annoyed with something to the point that any topic you make on that point is going to get a bunch of "Close" votes, then why waste the topic?
People have been annoyed by tons of AoD's and voted "close" in them long before LMS nominated anything. Should we ban the people who nominated those topics as well? Where do you draw the line?
Again, I do think LMS should somehow be stopped, but I also think bad AoD's are a necessary evil. We're never going to have a stream of excellent nominations in these topics, unfortunately.
From: Mr Lasastryke | #098 People have been annoyed by tons of AoD's and voted "close" in them long before LMS nominated anything. Should we ban the people who nominated those topics as well? Where do you draw the line?
You draw the line at people who spam those nominations and do it purposefully.
Like LMS.
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