Board 8 > Reminder: Valve is pretty much the most important game developer around.

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OctilIery
07/21/11 3:19:00 PM
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- Has not made a bad game yer
- Revolutionized the FPS genre
- Almost single-handedly saved the PC gaming industry
- Took digital distribution from a running joke to a major force
- Have done TONS to help indie developers

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HanOfTheShinobi
07/21/11 3:21:00 PM
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OctilIery
07/21/11 3:24:00 PM
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I haven't started yet!

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ZFS
07/21/11 3:26:00 PM
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Nintendo has actually done more for the industry as a whole in the past few years than anyone. In terms of importance, even recent importance, it's hard to top what they've done.

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Menji76
07/21/11 3:27:00 PM
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Nope it's still Square, 20+ years running.

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Punch_Sideiron
07/21/11 3:27:00 PM
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Meh.

I love Steam, but Valve's games I can take or leave. Some I just plain don't like.
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Bigwig_rah
07/21/11 3:27:00 PM
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I like Valve games a lot, but they're one of the most overrated game developers due to their particularly rabid and obnoxious fans.

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Theon_Greyjoy
07/21/11 3:28:00 PM
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EA. They take subjects that everyone already likes and puts them in video game form.

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GuessMyUserName
07/21/11 3:28:00 PM
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From: Bigwig_rah | Posted: 7/21/2011 6:27:50 PM | #007
I like Valve games a lot, but they're one of the most overrated game developers due to their particularly rabid and obnoxious fans.


sooooo much

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07/21/11 3:31:00 PM
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I helped this topic with goggles.

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OctilIery
07/21/11 3:46:00 PM
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Bigwig_rah posted...
I like Valve games a lot, but they're one of the most overrated game developers due to their particularly rabid and obnoxious fans.

BAHAHAHA No. They're overrated, but not even approaching the most overrated when you have Square, Bethesda, Bioware, Nintendo, Capcom, and tons of others floating around.

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OctilIery
07/21/11 3:48:00 PM
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ZFS posted...
Nintendo has actually done more for the industry as a whole in the past few years than anyone. In terms of importance, even recent importance, it's hard to top what they've done.

Nintendo brought in a big casual market and made motion gaming popular. That's all they have done in the last few years, and at best you could call it minorly positive, at worse negative. Their recent contributions pale in comparison to Valve.

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GuessMyUserName
07/21/11 3:48:00 PM
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From: OctilIery | Posted: 7/21/2011 6:46:49 PM | #011
Bigwig_rah posted...
I like Valve games a lot, but they're one of the most overrated game developers due to their particularly rabid and obnoxious fans.

BAHAHAHA No. They're overrated, but not even approaching the most overrated when you have Square, Bethesda, Bioware, Nintendo, Capcom, and tons of others floating around.


this very topic really isn't helping your case here

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Punch_Sideiron
07/21/11 3:49:00 PM
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Bigwig_rah posted...
their particularly rabid and obnoxious fans.
OctilIery posted...
BAHAHAHA No.

I just thought this was funny.
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LeonhartFour
07/21/11 3:50:00 PM
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Reminder: Valve is pretty much the most important PC game developer around.

Fixed for accuracy

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YetAnothrShadow
07/21/11 3:51:00 PM
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inb4 bio

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ArmbarFromGuard
07/21/11 3:51:00 PM
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There's no arguing their influence with Steam, but they might be coming back down to Earth now (as opposed to a couple years ago when they were pretty much infallible). The Half-Life series has been in a four-year hush (this might be a longer spell of silence than the one between HL1 and 2), and some fans didn't feel that Portal 2 was worth $60. Making TF2 free was a bold and awesome move, however. Even a lesser Valve is the most fan-friendly developer out there, it seems.

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KCF0107
07/21/11 3:52:00 PM
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Menji76 posted...
Nope it's still Square, 20+ years running.

I found this to be the funniest thing in the topic

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OctilIery
07/21/11 3:53:00 PM
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ArmbarFromGuard posted...
There's no arguing their influence with Steam, but they might be coming back down to Earth now (as opposed to a couple years ago when they were pretty much infallible). The Half-Life series has been in a four-year hush (this might be a longer spell of silence than the one between HL1 and 2), and some fans didn't feel that Portal 2 was worth $60. Making TF2 free was a bold and awesome move, however. Even a lesser Valve is the most fan-friendly developer out there, it seems.

Yeah, I'm not predicting where they're going from here, other than they are a company to watch now, and have been for quite awhile.

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GANON1025
07/21/11 3:53:00 PM
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sorry bud in one night valve destroyed tf2 forever. your move ass

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Silvercross
07/21/11 3:54:00 PM
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GANON1025 posted...
sorry bud in one night valve destroyed tf2 forever. your move ass

lol.

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foolmor0n
07/21/11 3:56:00 PM
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From: ZFS | #004
Nintendo has actually done more for the industry as a whole


well yeah

in the past few years


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OctilIery
07/21/11 3:56:00 PM
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GANON1025 posted...
sorry bud in one night valve destroyed tf2 forever. your move ass

QQ Moar, TF2 is still fun :)

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Cloud and Squall
07/21/11 3:58:00 PM
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Just as some people see the influx of casual gamers as a negative, some also see digital distribution as a negative.

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ZFS
07/21/11 3:58:00 PM
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They expanded the gaming market, generated billions of dollars in revenue for the industry (at one point, they accounted for half of it), produced most of the growth from this generation, sold unprecedented levels of software, created a new segment of games, and changed up the way people interact with games, which in turn influenced other ideas along those lines like Kinect. I'm not a big Nintendo fan, but without them, the industry would have been in much worse shape this gen than it has been a long time. You don't even have to go into the quality of their games -- which, from their own developers, has been an improvement from 7-8 years ago.

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OctilIery
07/21/11 3:59:00 PM
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Cloud and Squall posted...
Just as some people see the influx of casual gamers as a negative, some also see digital distribution as a negative.

Except the former have some(small) merit to their arguments; still more or less wrong, but they do. You, however, have absolutely no merit to calling digital distribution negative.

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GANON1025
07/21/11 3:59:00 PM
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you dont get it do ya punk THOSE GUNS DO NOT FIT WITH THE ESTABLISHED SETTING OF TF2

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OctilIery
07/21/11 4:02:00 PM
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ZFS posted...
They expanded the gaming market, generated billions of dollars in revenue for the industry (at one point, they accounted for half of it), produced most of the growth from this generation, sold unprecedented levels of software, created a new segment of games, and changed up the way people interact with games, which in turn influenced other ideas along those lines like Kinect. I'm not a big Nintendo fan, but without them, the industry would have been in much worse shape this gen than it has been a long time. You don't even have to go into the quality of their games -- which, from their own developers, has been an improvement from 7-8 years ago.

While Valve brought about the revolution of digital distribution, which has done just as much for the industry, while opening the floodgates for a LOT of new developers and making indie development into a potentially serious market, and at the same time have worked hard to support those indie developers and bring a LOT of new life into the market - Something that has since spilled over from Steam onto Xbox Live, Wii and PSN Stores, and various smart phones.

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Silvercross
07/21/11 4:03:00 PM
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GANON1025 posted...
you dont get it do ya punk THOSE GUNS DO NOT FIT WITH THE ESTABLISHED SETTING OF TF2

Oh, you're being cute. I get it now.

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GANON1025
07/21/11 4:05:00 PM
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Oh geez, I'm SO sorry that I don't think this update is the end of the world. ugh...

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Silvercross
07/21/11 4:06:00 PM
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GANON1025 posted...
Oh geez, I'm SO sorry that I don't think this update is the end of the world. ugh...

Oh, you're being confusing. I get it now.

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foolmor0n
07/21/11 4:06:00 PM
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From: Cloud and Squall | #024
Just as some people see the influx of casual gamers as a negative, some also see digital distribution as a negative.


Some people have also outgrown gaming, and some also have raging neckbeards and greasy unwashed hair

Sometimes I'm glad I'm not like some people

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ZFS
07/21/11 4:06:00 PM
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I'm not discrediting what Valve accomplished with Steam. I think they are one of the most important companies in the industry -- and I'm not a big fan of theirs, either! What I'm saying here is that in terms of overall importance, in multiple markets around the world, in both the console and portable space, Nintendo has been at the top for a few years now. I suppose you can dispute it, but Valve certainly isn't the uncontested number one, in any case. As far as PC goes, absolutely. Outside of that, it gets much trickier.

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GANON1025
07/21/11 4:07:00 PM
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You're the one who got mad at me for not being serious about being mad at TF2...

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Kotetsu534
07/21/11 4:08:00 PM
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Nintendo > Sony = Microsoft > Valve > Activision Blizzard > rest

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Liquid Wind
07/21/11 4:09:00 PM
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lol this board is obsessed with nintendo, no matter how low they sink people still want to claim they are the most important company.
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Demon HunterX
07/21/11 4:09:00 PM
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valve: create two engines and then release tons of new stuff on each. Then claim we are the most innovative company around!

Please. Valve is overrated. Moreso than square. Who the **** thinks square is a top company anymore? Square is a bad company now, but hardly overrated.

Valve is a solid company. Id even say its above average. But ya, its overrated

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Silvercross
07/21/11 4:10:00 PM
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GANON1025 posted...
You're the one who got mad at me for not being serious about being mad at TF2...

No, you are.

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Demon HunterX
07/21/11 4:11:00 PM
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lol this board is obsessed with nintendo, no matter how low they sink people still want to claim they are the most important company.

this too. Nintendo has been average at best on a yearly basis since about 2002.

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GANON1025
07/21/11 4:11:00 PM
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Has Valve claimed that they themselves are the most innovate company?

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GANON1025
07/21/11 4:11:00 PM
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No, I'm getting mad at you for getting mad at me for not getting mad at Valve for the TF2 update.

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Liquid Wind
07/21/11 4:12:00 PM
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You don't even have to go into the quality of their games -- which, from their own developers, has been an improvement from 7-8 years ago.

nintendo went from

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ZFS
07/21/11 4:12:00 PM
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i see

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Silvercross
07/21/11 4:14:00 PM
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GANON1025 posted...
No, I'm getting mad at you for getting mad at me for not getting mad at Valve for the TF2 update.

I just don't understand why you have to be so racist about it.

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GANON1025
07/21/11 4:15:00 PM
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Around TF2 haters, never relax

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GuessMyUserName
07/21/11 4:16:00 PM
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are you guys calling hm nintendo obsessed

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OctilIery
07/21/11 4:18:00 PM
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ZFS posted...
I'm not discrediting what Valve accomplished with Steam. I think they are one of the most important companies in the industry -- and I'm not a big fan of theirs, either! What I'm saying here is that in terms of overall importance, in multiple markets around the world, in both the console and portable space, Nintendo has been at the top for a few years now. I suppose you can dispute it, but Valve certainly isn't the uncontested number one, in any case. As far as PC goes, absolutely. Outside of that, it gets much trickier.

Nintendo has been on top for sales, but they really haven't done much to improve the industry like Valve has.

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OctilIery
07/21/11 4:19:00 PM
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Demon HunterX posted...
valve: create two engines and then release tons of new stuff on each. Then claim we are the most innovative company around!

Please. Valve is overrated. Moreso than square. Who the **** thinks square is a top company anymore? Square is a bad company now, but hardly overrated.

Valve is a solid company. Id even say its above average. But ya, its overrated


It's actually not even really their games that are important here - Although the games are solid, and you'd have a hard time arguing otherwise.

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DCousGerbil
07/21/11 4:19:00 PM
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Sure if you like FPS, but if you don't then they really aren't a blip on the radar at all.

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Sir Cobain
07/21/11 4:20:00 PM
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the real most important game developer: the kids who made octodad

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