1. Chrono Trigger (1) 2. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (2) 3. Super Mario 64 (4) 4. Resident Evil 4 (3) 5. Super Mario Bros. 3 (6) 6. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (7) 7. Super Smash Bros. Melee (8) 8. Super Mario Galaxy (10) 9. Super Mario World (11) 10. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (9) 11. Metal Gear Solid (12) 12. Final Fantasy X (13) 13. Super Metroid (16) 14. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (15) 15. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (17) 16. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (5) 17. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (18) 18. Final Fantasy IX (19) 19. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (14) 20. Final Fantasy VI (NR) 21. Star Fox 64 (20) 22. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (24) 23. Paper Mario (22) 24. Batman: Arkham Asylum (25) 25. Final Fantasy VII (NR)
Dropped out: Portal (21), Super Smash Bros. Brawl (23)
Also receiving votes:
43 - Portal 35 - Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island 23 - Mario Kart 64 18 - Half-Life 2 14 - Metroid Prime 11 - Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 11 - Mega Man 2 7 - Super Smash Bros. Brawl 5 - The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 4 - Okami
Chrono Trigger is a near unanimous #1, with only one person voting it at #2. R/B/Y only had one person voting it below #2. MGS3 takes a hard fall, as expected. On again, off again top 25 attendee FFVI makes its return, as does FFVII after a three-week absence, narrowly edging off Portal after its loss to Mario 64 the week before.
Matches in a bit.
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I agree that FFVI is underrated. What's been holding it down is that doubling it took at the hands of RBY I think, plus its having 3 losses. Happy to see CT with almost unanimous votes for first- are we setting up CT/RBY for the next rivalry week or saving that for later in the belief that these really are our strongest 2 games?
All three of FF6's losses are to games in the top 15, and two of them are to games in the top 5. Plus Super Metroid will likely enter the top 10 after today since the RE4/SMG1 loser will likely get kicked out.
This is both games' biggest test thus far. Resident Evil 4 has shown no signs of weakness (aside from almost losing to Wind Waker I guess, but then Wind Waker pulled off some funny upsets of its own later on) and is more or less a blowout king, but it doesn't have any wins over any significantly strong opponents. Meanwhile, Super Mario Galaxy has beaten at least one strong opponent, but that near-loss to Persona 4 makes you wonder.
Somehow I get the funny feeling that Super Metroid will upset A Link to the Past next week.
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CT/RBY has no rivalry connection at all, besides the generic Square vs Nintendo and #1 vs #2. Tempting to put them together in Week 15, but I think it would be unnatural and go against the spirit of rivalry week.
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Very true. Unfortunately...who's supposed to be a better rivalry week opponent? I tried to work out some matches for rivalry week 15:
Super Mario 64 vs. Chrono Trigger The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (I'd like to see if Wind Waker can pull off THIS upset!) Metal Gear Solid vs. Final Fantasy Tactics Final Fantasy VI vs. Final Fantasy VII Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty vs. Shadow of the Colossus Super Smash Bros. Brawl vs. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Sonic 3 & Knuckles Super Mario World vs. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest Sonic Adventure 2 vs. Super Mario Galaxy 2 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater vs. Resident Evil 4
Save for Final Week:
Super Mario 64 vs. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Metal Gear Solid vs. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty vs. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Super Mario World Super Smash Bros. Melee vs. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
I think that's enough.
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Will we have Trigger blowing out Cross in Week 15 or 30? Best rival CT has...in name. Obviously not in competition. Maybe FFVI? SNES Square RPGs, and FFVI is no slouch. CT vs FFVII would be a rematch of the 2004 Spring Contest final.
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The rankings are the most agreeable I have seen it so far. Melee is ever-so-slowly creeping up in the rankings....
I'd rank most of the other games that missed the cut over FF7, though... I mean, FF7 beat Goldeneye, Diablo 2, and FF8. Meh.
I swear, FF6's job in this contest is to expose frauds, and little else, which is why it gets killed by Pokemon and Super Metroid.
And it proved that Super Metroid is not a fraud! I hope. >_> (even if SM lost to MGS2....) I'm still waiting for Final Fantasy X and Phoenix Wright: Trials & Tribulations to be exposed by actually losing. They're both great games, though, and I hope to see them win by actually doing better, not by getting lucky.
As for rivalry matches, I would love to see: -Symphony of the Night vs. Final Fantasy VII -Star Fox 64 vs. Mario Kart 64 -Battletoads vs. Umineko.... just kidding. I just want BT to win. :[ -Zelda: Wind Waker vs. Paper Mario -Final Fantasy X vs. Final Fantasy VI -MVP Baseball 2005 vs. Umineko... well, this one might be reasonable.
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Oh right, I forgot to include the overall point totals for the top 25. Since some people like to see it, here we go.
424 - Chrono Trigger 407 - Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow 373 - Super Mario 64 364 - Resident Evil 4 337 - Super Mario Bros. 3 336 - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 303 - Super Smash Bros. Melee 289 - Super Mario Galaxy 268 - Super Mario World 265 - Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations 249 - Metal Gear Solid 212 - Final Fantasy X 170 - Super Metroid 169 - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 165 - Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney 162 - Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater 152 - Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest 148 - Final Fantasy IX 119 - Super Mario Galaxy 2 89 - Final Fantasy VI 86 - Star Fox 64 80 - The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 74 - Paper Mario 69 - Batman: Arkham Asylum 46 - Final Fantasy VII 43 - Portal 35 - Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island 23 - Mario Kart 64 18 - Half-Life 2 14 - Metroid Prime 11 - Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 11 - Mega Man 2 7 - Super Smash Bros. Brawl 5 - The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 4 - Okami
Whoo, no ties for the first time since Week 5, although we came close!
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And no way does MVP Baseball lose to Umineko. 40% of us support MVP Baseball because of KCF's very funny support of it, and at least 60% of us hate Umineko. That's more than enough to counterbalance Umineko's 10% of voters who actually like the game.
swirIdude posted... CT/RBY has no rivalry connection at all, besides the generic Square vs Nintendo and #1 vs #2. Tempting to put them together in Week 15, but I think it would be unnatural and go against the spirit of rivalry week.
Actually, I figured out a legitimate justification if you wanted to do it. Missingno. broke the Noble Nine by beating Crono last year, remember? And the glitch that created Missingno. was completely fixed by GSC, so RBY really is the only one that could work for that. (The "Old Man" glitch by which most people were introduced to glitch Pokémon wasn't present in Yellow version, but there were still plenty of glitch Pokémon, including another version of Missingno.)
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And no way does MVP Baseball lose to Umineko. 40% of us support MVP Baseball because of KCF's very funny support of it, and at least 60% of us hate Umineko. That's more than enough to counterbalance Umineko's 10% of voters who actually like the game.
Keep in mind that MVP Baseball gave up 60% to CoD4 just last week.
Also, for the record, MVP Baseball has never gotten more than 17 votes in any match. Umineko has gotten 20+ votes three different times.
MVP Baseball's performances haven't been getting any better.
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COD4 should crush Umineko! Well, I mean, it's such a big name game that I can't see it being that close to the bottom of the barrel.... At least Umineko has the worst RPI and worst SOS.
Edit: MVP Baseball isn't hated like Umineko. It just has no fans (which is better than being hated by almost everyone).
Where is FFVIII ranked in SoS? Because it seems like it's had a ridiculously nasty schedule. 6-5 right now with all five losses to top 25 games (#3 Super Mario 64, #17 Donkey Kong Country 2, #18 Final Fantasy IX, #21 Star Fox 64, and #25 Final Fantasy VII), responsible for giving Assassin's Creed II its first loss back in Week 8, currently in OT with 9-2 Twilight Princess and scheduled to face Mega Man 2 (10-1) next week. I'm also kind of curious as to what would happen if it faced Symphony of the Night, another 6-5 game with a ridiculous SOS.
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#2 Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (Nintendo Objections Conference) (12-0) – 39 (82.98%) Cave Story (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (4-8) – 8 (17.02%) --R/B/Y is the first to 12 wins with its domination of Cave Story.
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum (Patriot Time Portals Conference) (4-8) – 23 (46.94%) Donkey Kong Country (Zelda Overload Conference) (7-5) – 26 (53.06%) --DKC wins a close one against D/P/P.
Mega Man 9 (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (4-8) – 21 (48.84%) Lunar: Silver Star Story (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (7-5) – 22 (51.16%) --MM9 got out to a fast start, but Lunar slowly but surely made the comeback and took the lead for the first time with the final vote.
Diablo II (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (5-7) – 17 (39.53%) Fallout 3 (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (9-3) – 26 (60.47%) --Fallout 3 has no problems beating Diablo II.
Mario Kart 64 (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (10-2) – 32 (69.57%) Worms: Armageddon (Patriot Time Portals Conference) (4-8) – 14 (30.43%) --Mario Kart 64 gets an easy win over Worms.
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (Zelda Overload Conference) (7-5) – 25 (53.19%) Banjo-Kazooie (Sonic Overload Conference) (7-5) – 22 (46.81%) --Banjo-Kazooie had a big lead early, but once Link woke up, it was all over.
Max Payne (Games of the Decades Conference) (2-10) – 12 (27.27%) Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (7-5) – 32 (72.73%) --DMC3 blows Max Payne out of the water.
Crash Bandicoot: Warped (Metroid Eater Conference) (4-8) – 25 (55.56%) Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Games of the Decades Conference) (2-10) – 20 (44.44%) --Warped crashes through Modern Warfare.
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (7-5) – 21 (42.86%) Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (9-3) – 28 (57.14%) --P3 does respectably, but Mario RPG was in control most of the way.
Final Fantasy VIII (Games of the Decades Conference) – 25 (51.02%) (7-5) (OT, 10-9) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) – 24 (9-3) (48.98%) --It's nice to have that final tiebreaking vote in your favor at times like this.
Sonic 3 & Knuckles (Sonic Overload Conference) (9-3) – 33 (71.74%) Star Ocean: The Second Story (Smash Trigger Conference) (2-10) – 13 (28.26%) --S3&K takes care of business against Star Ocean.
Dynasty Warriors 4 (Metroid Eater Conference) (0-12) – 8 (18.60%) Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (10-2) – 35 (81.40%) --Dynasty Warriors 4 is the first to 12 losses with its blowout loss to POR.
Mega Man X (Fanservice Conference) – 24 (51.06%) (8-4) (OT, 8-7) #21 Star Fox 64 (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) – 23 (9-3) (48.94%) --Even barrel rolls are no match for a fully charged X-Buster.
#4 Resident Evil 4 (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (12-0) – 27 (57.45%) #8 Super Mario Galaxy (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (10-2) – 20 (42.55%) --RE4 passes its first big test with flying colors, getting a strong showing against Galaxy.
EDIT: Whoops, somehow missed out on posting the last one
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I kinda hope T&T loses to MM2 this week, if only because then a decent case could be made for the three undefeateds being the three strongest games in the contest.
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red sox 777 posted... 40% of us support MVP Baseball because of KCF's very funny support of it
Is this honestly true? I mean, I am being a little bit silly on purpose but I honestly love the game as it is in my Top 5, which also means that you are incorrect saying that the game has no fans
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1. Chrono Trigger (1) 2. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (2) 3. Super Mario 64 (4) 4. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (3) 5. Resident Evil 4 (6) 6. Final Fantasy IX (8) 7. Super Mario Bros. 3 (9) 8. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (7) 9. Metal Gear Solid (10) 10. Super Metroid (11) 11. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (13) 12. Super Mario Galaxy (5) 13. Final Fantasy X (12) 14. Batman: Arkham Asylum (14) 15. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (15) 16. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (16) 17. Super Smash Bros. Melee (17) 18. Super Mario World (18) 19. Final Fantasy VI (19) 20. Portal (20) 21. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (21) 22. Mario Kart 64 (22) 23. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (23) 24. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (24) 25. Mega Man 2 (26) Paper Mario (25) Sonic 3 & Knuckles (29) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (28) Tales of Symphonia (30) Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (34)
SMG1's loss has thrown it back below SMG2, exactly as the direct result says it should be! SMRPG vaults into the board after defeating Persona 3.
FFVIII's SoS is 17th.
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Nice win by FFVIII there. If it wins again next week against MM2, it's probably on my ballot (and no question it gets on if it beats MM2 and MM2 beats T&T this week, because a win over T&T would probably actually get MM2 onto my ballot.)
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You guys are crazy. It is way too early to consider putting a 5 loss game into the Top 25. And if you absolutely must do that, SotN should get on first.
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Argh Twilight Princess would not have lost if I was there for the overtime! Oh well, I was asleep lol.
Lol Twilight Princess, Star Fox 64, and Super Mario Galaxy. Galaxy getting wrecked that badly after pulling off a narrow upset of a "classic" Mario title back in week 10 and outperforming RE4's result on Wind Waker in week 9 is just...yeah.
Mario Galaxy seems to underperform against non-Nintendo opponents (except for Kingdom Hearts I guess...and even then, imagine how weak Kingdom Hearts could possibly be), and this time it had to pay for it. That near-loss to Persona 4 was really saying.
This is also the 2nd time all contest where a match featuring two of my top 10 games did not end with my preferred game winning (the other case was Final Fantasy VI losing to A Link to the Past).
And now Super Metroid is back in the top 10! Glorious!
I just realized now that out of all the big five Mario platformers, the only ones that haven't had an embarrassing performance against outside competition are Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World, which have looked like the weakest out of the five when the games go against each other! What's going on?
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Mario 64 only got 44% against Melee though. That is what's embarrassing!
I get the feeling that Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World may actually be the strongest Mario platformers, but then anti-Nintendo guys cause them to lose to other members of the "big five" that were really close in strength to start with. Of course, watch Mario World completely vomit against Pokemon.
Then it'll be Mario 3's turn. It's next two opponents are...Super Mario Sunshine and Silent Hill 2? Lol.
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swirIdude posted... You guys are crazy. It is way too early to consider putting a 5 loss game into the Top 25. And if you absolutely must do that, SotN should get on first.
Well I guess that's sort of the point. SotN is receiving consideration with a similar record. I'd say that the quality of SotN's losses is probably a bit better, even though all five of FFVIII's losses are to current top 25 games and one of SotN's is to one that's only in the "also receiving votes" section (besides, SF64 will drop back to "Also receiving votes" after that loss to MMX), and for the moment, it also has better marquee wins. But in a field this crowded, I don't think there's enough room for either just yet. Looking ahead to next week, though, FFVIII has a match against MM2 that I think it actually has a decent chance of winning. If Symphony of the Night can also get through to 8-5, then yeah, it's probably worthy of consideration as well. It's got another monster opponent next week as well, DKC2. But I don't think SotN is going to win that one.
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LeonhartFour posted... From: LinkMarioSamus | #046 Mario 64 only got 44% against Melee though. That is what's embarrassing! No, it's not.
You still don't get it.
What do I still not get?
That's it, we need RE4 to face off against SSBM sometime. Maybe even during the next rivalry week (in which case we should save MGS3 vs. RE4 for week 30)!
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