Board 8 > League of Legends Topic 22 - "Ahhh... You sure you're not in the wrong league?"

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Justin_Crossing
08/13/11 12:20:00 AM
#401:


http://www.hurtorheal.com/

interesting

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ChichiriMuyo
08/13/11 12:52:00 AM
#402:


Something to do while the game isn't working!

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Phase
08/13/11 12:57:00 AM
#403:


Worked fine for me a moment ago. And by fine I mean that I got a Xin that kept insisting on charging into Garen.

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ChichiriMuyo
08/13/11 12:59:00 AM
#404:


I currently have a message saying North America is unavailable.

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red13n
08/13/11 1:11:00 AM
#405:


After getting to 1400 I can safely say that ranked is much more enjoyable than normal because I get idiots proportionally less.

no. You just havent won enough to raise your normal elo high enough.

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Silverliner182V
08/13/11 6:58:00 AM
#406:


brand and morde is an unstoppable murder machine once they both get their cores.

WotA on both morde and brand = 50% spell vamp huehuehue

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Justin_Crossing
08/13/11 8:57:00 AM
#407:


From: red13n | #405
After getting to 1400 I can safely say that ranked is much more enjoyable than normal because I get idiots proportionally less.

no. You just havent won enough to raise your normal elo high enough.


If anything my normal elo should be higher than my ranked elo >_>

I'm +13 in ranked and like +26 wins in normals.

Although it's worth mentioning when I did solo normals with Skarner I had good people but then when I play with B8ers we get trash.

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Justin_Crossing
08/13/11 8:57:00 AM
#408:


From: Silverliner182V | #406
brand and morde is an unstoppable murder machine once they both get their cores.

WotA on both morde and brand = 50% spell vamp huehuehue


gunblade is better on morde cause of the active huehuehuehuehue

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red13n
08/13/11 9:39:00 AM
#409:


I'm +13 in ranked and like +26 wins in normals.

no. Normal elo has a lower starting point(At level 1).

Your normal elo is in the gutter.

Not to mention normal has been around much longer, causing a larger spread.

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Justin_Crossing
08/13/11 9:40:00 AM
#410:


I see.

Well whatever.

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Peace___Frog
08/13/11 10:59:00 AM
#411:


I'm 1/1 for ranked, our first game was so bad. Veigar couldn't farm his Q for crap, Ashe didn't care about last hits at all, and was perfectly content walking through the jungle alone when we had no idea where they were, and Leona lagged out, came back for a few moments, mis-aimed her ult and died, then left again.

But my second game I had infinite KDA as Nidalee. Felt so good.

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Gwindor
08/13/11 2:10:00 PM
#412:


For a long time I've been trying to play melee AD champs

but I'm terrible with them. I just....never seem to be able to contribute to teamfights.

But when I'm a caster, **** blows up all over the place.

=/

Not that I mind, but not every team is appropriate for me to pick a caster on.

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TheConductorSix
08/13/11 4:43:00 PM
#413:


I bought Cho. Someone give me a good build.

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ZaziGuado
08/13/11 4:52:00 PM
#414:


I really want to get back into LoL, but I don't have as much time to play it as I did before, and now I have to share internet with a good lot of other people, meaning there's lag I'll need to get accustomed to playing with which will be annoying. It's rather disappointing. I've missed the last three character releases and it makes me feel very behind.

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red13n
08/13/11 5:02:00 PM
#415:


streaming if anyone is interested in watching.

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Justin_Crossing
08/13/11 5:03:00 PM
#416:


http://www.own3d.tv/live/21229

for the simpletons

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HanOfTheNekos
08/13/11 5:45:00 PM
#417:


TheConductorSix posted...
me and peaf tried our hand at ranked today.

is it just me or are these guys even worse than Solo Queue. I know I'm at a low elo but man, just terribad. Anywho, Peaf went Nidalee and I went Galio. Fun times.

Peaf we shall continue our triumph!


Without me?

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KanzarisKelshen
08/13/11 5:48:00 PM
#418:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
TheConductorSix posted...
me and peaf tried our hand at ranked today.

is it just me or are these guys even worse than Solo Queue. I know I'm at a low elo but man, just terribad. Anywho, Peaf went Nidalee and I went Galio. Fun times.

Peaf we shall continue our triumph!

Without me?


He played with me after. We owned too :)

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Vengeful_KBM
08/13/11 6:08:00 PM
#419:


Anybody want to join me in breaking myself into ranked games sometime soon? Maybe one of these many people who seem to be breaking into ranked games themselves now, I could join some of you. I'm in a real slump right now and need to do some playing with people who know what they're doing so I don't feel like I have to carry a whole team on my shoulders and fail miserably (something I've had an unfortunate tendency to do recently due to the terribadness of my recent teams, and so my scores are really sucking so far). Just a thought.

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TheConductorSix
08/13/11 7:09:00 PM
#420:


anytime KBM

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Frostswamp
08/13/11 7:11:00 PM
#421:


Red is playing Kat on the stream fanboi squee >>
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Aecioo
08/13/11 7:12:00 PM
#422:


I'm 1.5 levels from ranked, then I'll probably play it exclusively, so you can always join me as I stomp my way through the bad ELO!

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TheConductorSix
08/13/11 7:20:00 PM
#423:


Aecioo I'm waiting on you.

Currently bodying people with my Tank Rune Karma :)

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red13n
08/13/11 7:40:00 PM
#424:


you guys just missed complete katarina destruction on stream.

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Gwindor
08/13/11 7:41:00 PM
#425:


sorry. Just got back from work.

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TheConductorSix
08/13/11 9:28:00 PM
#426:


Is Singed a good pick to get me out of elo hell or should I just pick Annie and carry every game regardless of team comp?

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red13n
08/13/11 9:56:00 PM
#427:


Pick -insert AP carry here- and carry.

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Heroic_CactObo
08/13/11 10:33:00 PM
#428:


for next topic

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KanzarisKelshen
08/13/11 11:11:00 PM
#429:


Merc = awesome

Just got off an amazing game with him, where we had to face an enemy morde who got fed. Thanks to having played so much morde I realized we had to CC him first in the fight before our terrible corki who valkyried into melee range died, and Merc did it flawlessly as warwick. Afterwards, the enemy team just couldn't kill my Yorick, and even though they had two fed AD carries we pulled through in the end, thanks to the power of smarts, teamwork, and the Man with a Mission. :D

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KanzarisKelshen
08/13/11 11:14:00 PM
#430:


Vengeful_KBM posted...
Anybody want to join me in breaking myself into ranked games sometime soon? Maybe one of these many people who seem to be breaking into ranked games themselves now, I could join some of you. I'm in a real slump right now and need to do some playing with people who know what they're doing so I don't feel like I have to carry a whole team on my shoulders and fail miserably (something I've had an unfortunate tendency to do recently due to the terribadness of my recent teams, and so my scores are really sucking so far). Just a thought.

I'd be up for it if you have these things:

A) Enough runes to have a decent AD page and a mage page.
B) At least two junglers and two of Amumu, Alistar, Malphite, Galio, Jarvan IV, and other initiators.

Ranked is very hostile at first if you're on your own, but much smoother when you have pals, and those first wins count for a lot, so I'd be down for helping you secure them. Same goes for Aecioo, of course. :)

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MercuryAdept17
08/13/11 11:15:00 PM
#431:


Me and Kanz tearin' up ELO Hell.

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red13n
08/13/11 11:45:00 PM
#432:


Me and Kanz tearin' up ELO Hell.

actually from the looks of things you guys are (mostly) dying a lot and just happen to be winning. Tearing up is not the word I'd use there.

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KanzarisKelshen
08/14/11 12:07:00 AM
#433:


red13n posted...
Me and Kanz tearin' up ELO Hell.

actually from the looks of things you guys are (mostly) dying a lot and just happen to be winning. Tearing up is not the word I'd use there.


Look up the profile of the user FaR007 and then look at his last ranked game. That's the morde we beat, who only got as fed as he did because our Corki KEPT GOING INTO MELEE RANGE AGAINST HIM. Our scores are 100% irrelevant to this discussion, Red. Scores end up bad when you have an incredible idiot who keeps trying to turn fights into 4v6s and have to dramatically alter your strategies to win, as well as having to carry AND tank at the same time because your team doesn't have a true initiator (we had the bad corki, a taric who did his job of stunning the enemy katarina perfectly, and a brand who nuked the enemy team down well). Merc HAD to suicide on morde so I could chop him down, or we would have lost because, again, our carry, who built nothing but offensive items, used his escape to close into the range of the guy who could twoshot him, fight after fight. Winning because you were just plain better than your opponent and commandeered your team to do your bidding and beat an enemy team that ended up way more fed than you did is precisely what I'd describe as tearing up elo hell. We're climbing up the ranks by fighting smartly, one game at a time.

PS: If you still don't believe me, look at Merc's game as Janna. If 5-0-17 (or was it 27? I forget) isn't tearing **** up, nothing is. The only reason that isn't a perfect game is because those kills didn't go to me. Otherwise, that's a textbook perfect play.

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KanzarisKelshen
08/14/11 12:11:00 AM
#434:


And just so as to explain further why you're so deeply, deeply, terribly wrong: we had to kill Morde before he raised any shield because he was a megatank and killed us through our dumb carry in spite of having crap damage by himself. This meant that Merc had to go in alone, at the right times, without creeps nearby, into a mass of enemies, and our combined efforts had to burst like 2.8k of HP with resists at 150/200 or thereabouts in less than two seconds. He went above and beyond the call of duty to get us the win and I will not ****ing tolerate you dissing him just because you feel like being a smug ass. If you want to do that, go trashtalk some noobs in coop vs. AI, instead of attempting to diss a good player to boost your puny little ego.

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red13n
08/14/11 12:19:00 AM
#435:


PS: If you still don't believe me, look at Merc's game as Janna. If 5-0-17 (or was it 27? I forget) isn't tearing **** up, nothing is.

Honestly, thats just having a good janna game. Janna doesnt really carry a solo queue game. Also thats the only reason I stuck a (mostly) before dying a lot. Because aside from that, you guys pretty much died a lot.

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Heroic_CactObo
08/14/11 12:27:00 AM
#436:


my pantheon carry streak ended with a team consisting of

kennen/ashe/ap shaco who all did no damage and an OK shen

they did no damage because their team consisted of leona/amumu/taric/irelia/vayne

vayne got fed by ashe, but even then we still had a chance to win because our advantage would be lategame when ashe and I would just wreck faces. it doesn't work when one by one they would throw themselves at 1v4 situations. I was low in enemy territory and had perfectly escaped, dodging multiple mummy bandages and was B'ing, only to find out that our kennen, then ashe, then shaco all individually threw themselves at the pursuing team to save me, and they all died because they're ****ing morons

I still ended up positive, but by the time that they were pushing our towers they realized I was the only threat and would chain stun me for 8 seconds at a time while my team diddled themselves

I sincerely hope that 5+ stuns, 3 tanks, and a carry (with a stun) isn't the new meta game because I will literally uninstall my game if that happens. there was absolutely no fun in that loss whatsoever.

can't really learn anything either

"our initiator is clueless, I guess I'll try and target vayne. lololol nope I can't move for forever"

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KanzarisKelshen
08/14/11 12:34:00 AM
#437:


red13n posted...
PS: If you still don't believe me, look at Merc's game as Janna. If 5-0-17 (or was it 27? I forget) isn't tearing **** up, nothing is.

Honestly, thats just having a good janna game. Janna doesnt really carry a solo queue game. Also thats the only reason I stuck a (mostly) before dying a lot. Because aside from that, you guys pretty much died a lot.


Right, but my point stands. He played excellently, and trying to knock him for the amount of times he has died is not only mean but misguided. He makes mistakes (like the fiddles game where we lost, we had Orianna, Rumble, Galio and Fids and he forgot to ult first in a bunch of fights), but they're all easy to see and easy to fix, and hell, he corrects them once I point them out to him. If you want to rag on me for dying go right ahead, but don't mess with a duoqueue buddy who gives a 110% effort every game and rescued me from the 1.1k vortex almost singlehandedly (with Cole and Peaf for the assist).

PS: Also, this might surprise the people who haven't played with me in a while, but I'm learning how to die less, very slowly. Having taken up Jax again and playing lots of glassy morde has taught me how to look out for abilities that will kill me, and I'm learning to do that instinctively. Haven't had tons of progress just yet, but at least I know how to improve now.

PPS: I need to reiterate one more time that critizicing Merc for dying a lot is very dickish. My computer is too old to run LoLReplay without turning the game into something unplayable, but if I could I'd record our games so you could see that he delivers with tremendous consistency. I'll see if I can find a way to work around the terribleness of my comp: I really think that if you saw him play you wouldn't point and laugh like you did here.

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KanzarisKelshen
08/14/11 12:36:00 AM
#438:


Heroic_CactObo posted...
my pantheon carry streak ended with a team consisting of

kennen/ashe/ap shaco who all did no damage and an OK shen

they did no damage because their team consisted of leona/amumu/taric/irelia/vayne

vayne got fed by ashe, but even then we still had a chance to win because our advantage would be lategame when ashe and I would just wreck faces. it doesn't work when one by one they would throw themselves at 1v4 situations. I was low in enemy territory and had perfectly escaped, dodging multiple mummy bandages and was B'ing, only to find out that our kennen, then ashe, then shaco all individually threw themselves at the pursuing team to save me, and they all died because they're ****ing morons

I still ended up positive, but by the time that they were pushing our towers they realized I was the only threat and would chain stun me for 8 seconds at a time while my team diddled themselves

I sincerely hope that 5+ stuns, 3 tanks, and a carry (with a stun) isn't the new meta game because I will literally uninstall my game if that happens. there was absolutely no fun in that loss whatsoever.

can't really learn anything either

"our initiator is clueless, I guess I'll try and target vayne. lololol nope I can't move for forever"

how is that my fault at all


It isn't. If you went tanktheon and worked with shen to bait a ton of CC away from Ashe and Kennen, they could have killed Vayne and then Irelia, leaving the enemy team out of ways to deal damage, but that assumes your allies aren't baddies, which they were. Pretty much the only thing you can draw from that, barring individual mistakes, is "carry harder nub".

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Phase
08/14/11 12:38:00 AM
#439:


red13n posted...
Janna doesnt really carry a solo queue game.

*cough* Supports-can-carry-ridiculously-hard-at-low-elos-because-they-save-idiots *cough*

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Justin_Crossing
08/14/11 12:41:00 AM
#440:


his point is more that idiots can't carry so you're better off just killing the enemy team instead of wasting your time saving idiots

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KanzarisKelshen
08/14/11 12:52:00 AM
#441:


Justin_Crossing posted...
his point is more that idiots can't carry so you're better off just killing the enemy team instead of wasting your time saving idiots

This is true, luckily we had a brand who wasn't an idiot and they had a garen, ashe, and karthus who were (chasin' Vayne all day erryday bro), so they got nuked into the ground and then I moved in to clean up the beef.

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Heroic_CactObo
08/14/11 12:55:00 AM
#442:


From: KanzarisKelshen | #438
It isn't. If you went tanktheon and worked with shen to bait a ton of CC away from Ashe and Kennen, they could have killed Vayne and then Irelia, leaving the enemy team out of ways to deal damage, but that assumes your allies aren't baddies, which they were. Pretty much the only thing you can draw from that, barring individual mistakes, is "carry harder nub".



Yeah I mean when I saw their team at the loading screen my initial thought was "don't feed them and we'll scale better into lategame than they will" and that would have worked fine. Your strategy would have worked just as well. I guess it's just annoying to lose when you did everything you could and it made no difference.

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red13n
08/14/11 12:56:00 AM
#443:


*cough* Supports-can-carry-ridiculously-hard-at-low-elos-because-they-save-idiots *cough*

no they cant.

supports can work well at higher elos because you can protect good players, allowing them to be good players longer.

Supports at low elos are mostly a waste of space. I'd rather run a 5 dps team than any team with a support at a low elo.

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KanzarisKelshen
08/14/11 1:03:00 AM
#444:


And then Janna protects Vayne from a Leona+Garen+Wukong tower dive, launches Garen into a wall where Vayne stuns him while tower peppers him, slows down Leona so Brand can Pyroclasm her and kill her, and proceeds to help with dragon because why the hell not. Supports are mighty at low elo. Really really powerful. This isn't even talking about how Soraka + Carry is almost free elo because most people don't know how to counter it, either.

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TheConductorSix
08/14/11 1:21:00 AM
#445:


So whoever wrote that Wukong guide on Solomid is quite smart. Wriggles>Mercs>Megatron>Triforce>LOL

Wukong is a late game beast thanks to his Passive. Wriggles gives the damage and armor he needs to survive in lane. Mercs and Megatron give him solid MR. He can just dive and lol mid game.

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KanzarisKelshen
08/14/11 1:33:00 AM
#446:


TheConductorSix posted...
Megatron

wtb Divine Rapier-style mega lategame item that lets you summon a transformer to win.

Or hell, just let you transform into first spotlight blind monk lol.

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Peace___Frog
08/14/11 1:41:00 AM
#447:


I really do need to learn carries. But tanking and supporting is just so much more fun for me.

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KanzarisKelshen
08/14/11 1:42:00 AM
#448:


Peace___Frog posted...
I really do need to learn carries. But tanking and supporting is just so much more fun for me.

dw peaf, I got your back. :P

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Peace___Frog
08/14/11 1:46:00 AM
#449:


I played Janna for my first time (in a bot game, obv) with Dara tonight. I actually had a lot of fun with her. Soraka and Sona just don't look very fun to play, but supporting with Janna felt active and engaging. Much less reactive than I thought it would be, since she doesn't have a heal so you need to be on the constant lookout with her shield. So I'm definitely up for practicing with her in normals tomorrow.

Dara also suggested I pick up Alistar. I played him when I was a low level and didn't 'get' him, but I might be more successful this time.

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Peace___Frog
08/14/11 1:48:00 AM
#450:


and I finished reading some basic guides to Janna on mobafire, so I feel like I'm ready to assist you in kicking some ass

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