Board 8 > Fire Emblem topic inspired me *FE7 mostly blind playthrough* *SPOILERS*

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nintendogirl1
08/09/11 2:32:00 PM
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I know the first Hero is Lyn and I remember I like the dumb Cavalier, "Sain" I think?

I have played a number of chapters, I don't remember how many. I definitely didn't come near the end if the game. Nor do I know how to take different paths or whatever, so I'm just going to play the game.

Feel free to tell me I did something wrong/bad/other, criticise my character selection and persuade me to use others and PLEASE tell me how to recruit characters.

K?

Starting now.

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Grand Kirby
08/09/11 2:36:00 PM
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I just replayed this. Great game.

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Kenri
08/09/11 2:43:00 PM
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Nor do I know how to take different paths or whatever, so I'm just going to play the game.

There really aren't very many (I think there are only two splits, for one chapter each). They don't affect very much, either. If you want, I (or somebody else) can post the requirements when it starts to become relevant, though just playing through and seeing which paths you get works fine too. Probably better, even.

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tcaz2
08/09/11 2:45:00 PM
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Tag.

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Grand Kirby
08/09/11 2:47:00 PM
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If you just want to be able to look up anything you want about the game, use this website:

http://serenesforest.net/fe7/

Has all the secrets, sidepaths, recruitable characters, stats, etc.

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nintendogirl1
08/09/11 3:19:00 PM
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I'm female and I'm born in September. My name is Cyndi.

I can't help but have been doomed to failure simply because of my conception and name.

Prologue: Girl from the Plains

I meet Lyn.

Oh. It's a tutorial level. K.

I play through it and get the weirdest feeling it was completely scripted. Level up! Moving on...


Chapter 1: Footsteps of Fate

Meet Sain and Kent, and more tutorial.

Sain makes a fool of himself missing, getting hit, etc. but the chapter continues nevertheless. Lyn levels up while poking the boss, and kills him in the Enemy Phase. Marvellous.

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Panthera
08/09/11 4:01:00 PM
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Oh hey I should tag this

The early chapters are pretty heavily scripted, complete with a few instances of RNG rigging to make things happen.

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nintendogirl1
08/09/11 4:02:00 PM
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Chapter 2: Sword of Spirits

More tutorial. Kent levels up and gets speed, so he can double the enemies here... but he's still too weak to kill them. Sain levels up strength and not speed, because god fobid we should defy the stereotype, Lyn attacks the boss, Sain kills him increasing level again.

Lyn seizes and we win. Woo! Yadda yadda, mystic spirits, blah blah. New sword!

Chapter 3: Band of Mercenaries

Lyn's old friend on the Pegasus happens to be in these parts today. I wonder if she'll join my team?

More tutorial, get Will. My first Archer. Will and Florina do their thing and Sain crits the first Bandit. Florina takes care of the North, Kent gets 2 level ups. In his first 3 levels, he's now gained a total of 4 stats. 2 HP, Spd and Res. You're not ingratiating yourself Kent! Sain is matching you in speed and has 4 more strength. Come on dude.

Whatever. Chapter 4 coming up.

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tcaz2
08/09/11 4:09:00 PM
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Yeah pretty much the first 10 levels are all tutorial.

It stops scripting so much around... I think 6 or something. I haven't actually played the tutorial in years though so I'm not sure (since I've always just played Lyn Hard Mode as they don't have the tutorial).

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nintendogirl1
08/09/11 4:57:00 PM
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Chapter 4: In Occupation's Shadow

Blah blah, protect Natalie. I send Sain and Kent to watch the door and Florina with Lyn and Will east wall. Dorcas get, Dorcas Crit. Yep, that feels scripted.

Sain crits an enemy that was dying anyway. Kent taking two hits to kill an enemy is getting tiresome, but he does eventually get a decent level up. All my level ups on this level are better. Dorcas and Lyn head south and take out the boss and his archer as I clear away the map. I get most of the enemies, but there are 4 left at the end of turn 7. Oh well.

Chapter 5: Beyond the borders

Incredibly straightforward chapter. I recruit Erk and Serra, I advance, I kill the dudes in my way. I level some units up.

Dull.

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SubDeity
08/09/11 5:01:00 PM
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http://serenesforest.net/

Your resource for all things Fire Emblem. Hidden items, character recruitment, you name it.

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Panthera
08/09/11 5:17:00 PM
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Fun fact: Dorcas, despite only working for the bandits to try to earn money to help his wife, will not hesitate to kill her if you let him get close enough.

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PokeStalker
08/09/11 5:27:00 PM
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tag

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BoshStrikesBack
08/09/11 5:30:00 PM
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Awesome. Couple important things, ngirl:

1) Do not go to the SerenesForest link. Yes, it's an excellent resource- for people who have already completed the game. It's chock full of plot and character-recruitment spoilers, and since you're lucky enough to begin the game mostly blind, the game will be a more enjoyable experience if you keep it that way.

2) Don't let the first ten chapters discourage you. They're just a quick tutorial.

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TsunamiXXVIII
08/09/11 5:55:00 PM
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Yeah, the tutorial more or less only happens each time you get a new character, so after the beginning of Chapter 7, there's only one forced action, and it can theoretically be avoided by some sort of trick, though I forget how. Then the real fun starts.

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nintendogirl1
08/09/11 7:36:00 PM
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I'm well aware of SerenesForest, but would prefer not to use it on a first playthrough for most things. I may use it to check average stats to see if any of characters are being screwed in anything, but for the most part, I'd rather just play the game.

On that note...

Chapter 6: Blood of Pride

About 9 units and 6 enemies. That appear 1 after another as you push buttons. Exciting.

Done.

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SubDeity
08/09/11 9:58:00 PM
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ngirl should be fine on Serenes as long as she only looks at recruitments, gaiden reqs, average stats and such. Everything is pretty clearly labeled on the site. Plus, FE7 doesn't really have any characters whose recruitment is a major plot twist.

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HanOfTheNekos
08/09/11 10:08:00 PM
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Your Kent is getting bad levels?

That's a shame. My last playthrough, my Kent got really good levels and was pretty OP.

BTW, you shouldn't ask for peoples' opinions on your character choices and such. Part of the fun of the game comes from learning everything yourself!

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BoshStrikesBack
08/09/11 11:21:00 PM
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Plus, FE7 doesn't really have any characters whose recruitment is a major plot twist.

I can think of at least two major ones, one of which being the last character you recruit.

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tcaz2
08/09/11 11:30:00 PM
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Yeah there's several spoiler characters.

*Spoilers in message detail*

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BoshStrikesBack
08/09/11 11:44:00 PM
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Yep, those are the two I was thinking of tcaz.

And putting spoilers in the message detail? That's class. I'm going to have to start doing that myself!

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Panthera
08/10/11 2:22:00 AM
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Personally I was incredibly shocked when I found out that Eliwood was playable.

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Lopen
08/10/11 2:36:00 AM
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From: BoshStrikesBack | #021
And putting spoilers in the message detail? That's class. I'm going to have to start doing that myself!


This.

And uh tag I guess

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nintendogirl1
08/10/11 8:45:00 AM
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Chapter 7: Siblings Abroad

Hey! Prep screen. This is a tough decision, I want all of my characters at this point. :| Drop Wil, because I have Rath. And Dorcas because I'll pick up a non-Fighter axe user at some point and I'll use them instead. I will boldly face the one guy with a lance without him. :D

I use the Angelic Robe on Lyn, because she still only has 18HP at level 6, which is too low for my main character. Shuffle some items around and get ready to fight. And I get a new character before I'm allowed to fight. A monk by the name of Lucius, who I instantly assumed was a girl. My bad. And now I need to be explained how to use him, probably for Magic triangle purposes. No, just so I can be explained Barding by Nils.

I take down a couple of early enemies with Matthew, because I'm awesome like that, with Erk supporting him, before again mopping up as I cycle through the map. I stil have more units than enemies I think. Nothing even remotely interesting to talk about here.

I meet Eliwood and Ninian, though neither join me and get a side-quest. Woo sidequest tiem.

Chapter 7x: The Black Shadow

I grab Will for this chapter since walls are his friends, dropping Erk.

The enemy actually outnumbers me here, but the chapter is still easy. Sain, Matthew and Nils run up the west, with everyone else slogging it the long way round. Matthew grabs the hammer from the chest and steals the enemy thieves Lockpicks. "lol" Florina gets the boss. I get Ninis' Grace, which is a ring of mystery. Oooooh~

Chapter 8: Vortex of Strategy

Hey, I arrived in Caelin!

The enemy has deployed a Ballista, so the game suggests I leave Florina behind, but you know what? **** that ****. It's at this point I notice I don't really have a strong defensive character, like a General or somesuch. Sain and Rath on 7 Def are the best I've got. I charge without thinking through the map, and while the Ballista is attacking Kent, kill the archer with Florina. SUCCESS. After that, the chapter proceeds with little to remark upon. Rath collects a Lancereaver from the village and Sain is up to 14 Str at level 8, which makes him basically a weapon of mass destruction.

We wrap up the chapter easily enough, despite all the boss and the units hanging around him having reaver weapons.

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nintendogirl1
08/10/11 1:41:00 PM
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Chapter 9: A Grim Reunion

Fog of war, good stuff. I ran out of uses of Heal last chapter, so I'm only going to field 9 units, this time round, dropping Will back out for Erk. ... and as soon as I say that, the game gives me another one in Wallace, who instantly promotes, guaranteeing I'll never use him.

Eventually the Fog shows up as do some reinforcements, which results in a little scrambling to get Nils safe. Lucius in the forest deals with the bottom left corner, Erk and Rath take the top right, as everyone else heads left. Kent takes the trip up north and eventually Florina sits on the central fort to stop it spouting out units. Once the reinforcements are under control, Lyn, Sain and Nils head to the boss, who goes down before too long.

Chapter 10: The Distant Plains

Time to take out Lundgren and win the game (does anyone believe that). There's a vendor and an armory here, so I field Serra so she can do her stuff later. I outnumber the enemy, so I'm hoping they get reinforced. Moving out!

Florina takes out 2 archers on her way south, picking up a Heal for Serra and flying back. Everyone else heads through the map, killing enemies as they reach them. Lundgren himself is a bit of a challenge, but Lucius can deal 5 damage to him and doubles, and I Bard her, so she does it all again. 20 damage a turn is pretty good output. Lundgren gets out his javelin and Lucius drops to 1hp (thank god I calculated that right), she retreats for a turn. Lundgren switches to Silver Spear to attack Wallace who's chilling without weapons and Lucius moves back in for the kill. Easy.

Lyn's game. Fin.

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7Deuce86
08/10/11 2:25:00 PM
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Lol female pronouns in reference to Lucius.

Tag. I haven't played this game in so long and I really miss it (stupid DSi can't play Advance games).

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tcaz2
08/10/11 2:40:00 PM
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Yay, you're through the boring tutorial bits.

FE7 is really annoying to play at first if you've already played another FE. It's why I always recommend it to people new to the series, because the tutorial isn't annoying (well... as annoying) if you don't know how to play.

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xp1337
08/10/11 2:44:00 PM
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That tutorial is the entire reason I keep a save at Chapter 10 of Lyn Mode, so I can just skip it whenever I feel like replaying the game. It's slightly more tolerable on Hard Mode, but even then...

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BoshStrikesBack
08/10/11 2:59:00 PM
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who instantly promotes, guaranteeing I'll never use him.

As a heads-up, don't be afraid to use prepromotes: most are good, and many are great. Just make sure not to overdo it!

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tcaz2
08/10/11 3:10:00 PM
#30:


Yeah actually most prepromotes in FE7 are actually pretty good. FE7 has great unit balance all around, actually.

You can pretty much just use your favorites, really. Nobodies really going to screw you over or overpower you too much.

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Tehmoosey1
08/10/11 4:19:00 PM
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That said, Wallace himself is pretty bad.

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tcaz2
08/10/11 4:25:00 PM
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Oh, yeah, Wallace is kinda bad <.<

You might not even get him back though, so it doesn't really matter. (You either get him back or someone else based on one of the one chapter splits later on, but it's probably best if you just play normally and don't bother trying to figure out how to get the splits right now.)

Though you do want us to tell you how to get units/gaiden chapters as you get to them, right ngirl?

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nintendogirl1
08/10/11 4:58:00 PM
#33:


From: 7Deuce86 | #026
Lol female pronouns in reference to Lucius.

Welp. I already forgot Lucy was a guy, wasn't doing that deliberately.

From: tcaz2 | #032
Oh, yeah, Wallace is kinda bad <.<

You might not even get him back though, so it doesn't really matter. (You either get him back or someone else based on one of the one chapter splits later on, but it's probably best if you just play normally and don't bother trying to figure out how to get the splits right now.)

Though you do want us to tell you how to get units/gaiden chapters as you get to them, right ngirl?


Only if they're "Rout the enemy, but don't kill any units carrying javelins or archers with a strength divisible by 3". If they're relatively simple, I'll work it out.

Chapter 11: Taking Leave

One year later... something about dragons. How long till we fight them then? Chapter 25? 30?

The return of Eliwood. And I'm there as well! How convenient. Marcus, Lowen and Rebecca round off my party. A turn goes past and Dorcas returns to me, with a friend, Bartre. Bartre has more Strength and Defence than Dorcas despite being 2 levels down on him. I'll use him over Dorcas.

Dorcas grabs an Energy Shield from the village to go with the Energy Ring he's still carrying from the chapter before. Roll through the level and Eliwood finishes off with a level up of just skill. Marvellous.

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tcaz2
08/10/11 5:05:00 PM
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From: nintendogirl1 | #033
Only if they're "Rout the enemy, but don't kill any units carrying javelins or archers with a strength divisible by 3". If they're relatively simple, I'll work it out.


Well, there's nothing quite that complex (...save one gaiden chapter for second playthroughs, where you have to get Nils to level 7 before the end of Lyn's hard mode, but yeah that's only on second playthroughs), but there's a couple tricky/specific ones iirc...

Trying to get a specific route split for those two chapters though is entirely antithetical to a semi-blind playthrough though as you generally have to alter how you would normally play some chapters to do it, hence why I don't think anyone wants to say til after you get past them.

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xp1337
08/10/11 5:07:00 PM
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Only if they're "Rout the enemy, but don't kill any units carrying javelins or archers with a strength divisible by 3". If they're relatively simple, I'll work it out.

The gaiden chapter requirements generally aren't too complex, with the notable exception of a single one that you can't even access until you beat the game once anyway. However, the chapter splits are a bit more abstract. You'll get no indication of what the game uses to decide for it, and it has more to do with what you've been doing through the entire game to that point. They're not really that big a deal, but they're definitely not something you could figure out ahead of time.

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xp1337
08/10/11 5:09:00 PM
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(...save one gaiden chapter for second playthroughs, where you have to get Nils to level 7 before the end of Lyn's hard mode, but yeah that's only on second playthroughs)

Doesn't need to be on Lyn Hard Mode, just Nils to Level 7 or higher (plus the various requirements in the chapters leading up to it), but yeah, either way it's not a concern here.

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nintendogirl1
08/10/11 6:42:00 PM
#37:


Yeah, I want to know how to access Gaiden chapters, not influence chapter splits. Also unit recruitment.

Chapter 12: Birds of a Feather

Marcus grabs a secret book from the village and I move forwards for a couple of turns before the battle shifts dramatically when the boss starts charging towards me and Hector and Oswin show up to help me out. Matthew and Serra reappear briefly, before fleeing the battlefield.

Eliwood deals with the couple of enemies in the centre of the park, Hector kills everything up top and I form a lovely chokepoint down the south. Hector kills the boss from atop a mountain.

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BoshStrikesBack
08/10/11 7:08:00 PM
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and Eliwood finishes off with a level up of just skill. Marvellous.

oh dear

Eliwood is one of those units with growths smack-dab in the middle, so he has a tendency to be either very good or very bad. Hopefully things pick up a bit for you, since, as your main lord, you're kind of stuck with him!

And hey, those stat boosters aren't going to do you any good sitting around. Use 'em!

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tcaz2
08/10/11 8:13:00 PM
#39:


Yeah it's best just to use the stat boosters as soon as you get them.

Unless you like, KNOW there's someone you want to use it on you don't have yet.

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TheNinJa7777
08/10/11 8:23:00 PM
#40:


Protip : Decide on about 10 characters to use (7+3 lords) because thats mostly what you'll be limited to for most missions.

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SubDeity
08/10/11 8:31:00 PM
#41:


Really, on Eliwood mode you'll be getting enough experience that 12 or more is entirely practical if you want, especially if 1 or 2 is a prepromote. It's only in the Hard Modes that super-efficient team design is important.

Then again, Eliwood Normal is pretty easy in general. She could probably clear the game with just the Lords without much effort.

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TsunamiXXVIII
08/10/11 9:09:00 PM
#42:


Ah, yes, well, Chapter 13 has a Gaiden, but you'd probably end up fulfilling the requirements for it without even knowing what they are. Which is actually true of most of the Gaiden Chapters aside from 22x and the one the others keep talking about that's not available on the first playthrough anyway. Hell, 29x has no requirements--it's just automatically unlocked.

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nintendogirl1
08/10/11 10:41:00 PM
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Chapter 13: In Search of Truth

A character mentions he knew someone called Matthew. Not even a little bit suspicious, definitely not a chance I should talk to him with Matthew, nuh-uh, no way.

I send Marcus out to the village in the north east, where a merchant drops a flaming torch on him, while the rest of my team do stuff. A crazy woman gives me a mine that may or may not be temperamental. There's a moment of scrabbling after Guy crits Eliwood, but I resolved that easily enough. I recruit Guy and carry on through the level, restocking a couple of weapons. Boss gets Wolf Beil'd by Hector.

Should mention that Eliwood got the Dragonshield and Lowen got the Energy Ring. I forgot about who I gave the secret book to. Possibly Lowen again.

Oooh, side quest time the 2nd.

I'll do it later.

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tcaz2
08/10/11 10:44:00 PM
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From: nintendogirl1 | #043
I send Marcus out to the village in the north east



Your game is apparently mirrored?

From: nintendogirl1 | #043
There's a moment of scrabbling after Guy crits Eliwood, but I resolved that easily enough.



And he lived? Guy must be weaker in Normal Mode than I remember (player characters that start as enemies get bonuses in Hard Mode).

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TheNinJa7777
08/11/11 12:09:00 AM
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In regards to Guy there is a spot right outside his range that Matthew can stand where the following turn he can reach him no problem.

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TsunamiXXVIII
08/11/11 8:40:00 AM
#46:


Ah, good, you fulfilled the requirements for Chapter 13x. Yeah, getting that Torch is important.

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nintendogirl1
08/11/11 8:43:00 AM
#47:


From: tcaz2 | #044
Your game is apparently mirrored?


I live on the other side of the world, so what is west for you is east for me.

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nintendogirl1
08/11/11 10:33:00 AM
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Chapter 13x: The Peddler Merlinus

I'mma make this write-up brief. Fog of war, protect map. Guy south-west, Oswin south-east. Eliwood and Lowen north-east, everyone else north-west.

Routed.

Oh.. also "Take me into your bosoms and keep me safe forever." Uhh.. k.

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tcaz2
08/11/11 11:15:00 AM
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Merlinus da bess

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BoshStrikesBack
08/11/11 12:00:00 PM
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lol'd at the Guy-Matthew bit. Yeah, many of the character recruitments are simple to figure out, but some are tricky. I will say this: bring Priscilla to Chapter 16.

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