Board 8 > Confirn/Deny, no current realistic Republican candidate can beat Obama

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a few months ago I would've confirmed definitely, but Obama's been such a gigantic moron/evil turncoat these last few weeks that he might get thrown out because everyone hates his ass, including his base, who's slowly coming around.

"I'm a liberal, but I'm gonna vote Republican to bring on the downfall of America." -- Iamdead7

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I'm definitely not going to vote republican, its just that I'm convinced more and more Obama is just in the pockets of the super rich and corporations too. I wish someone would primary him

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Deny

Pretty much the only one who can't beat him is Romney. Coincidentally enough, that's the guy who will probably win the nomination.

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Romney can definitely beat him. Why wouldn't he be able to? He's a Mormon, but most Americans don't believe Obama is a real Christian anyway.

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You don't beat socialism with a platform of "slightly less socialism" which is what Romney represents.

You beat it by offering freedom.

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mormons beat muslims every day

Given the choice between socialism and slightly less socialism, which would you vote for?

Neither. I don't have to vote for one of two options. I can vote for Ron Paul whether he wins the nomination or not :D

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Given the choice between socialism and slightly less socialism, which would you vote for?

Also, I don't see how Romney is any more socialist than the other Republican candidates barring Ron Paul. You don't have to worry about this scenario in any case, because there's no way that any candidate who's too socialist to win the general election would win the Republican primary.

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Also, I love how we're now calling Mitt Romney a socialist. Take that, all you Europeans who keep telling us Obama is actually right-wing!

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it is literally LMAO to call Romney or Obama a socialist

we are a corporate welfare state

Also, I love how we're now calling Mitt Romney a socialist. Take that, all you Europeans who keep telling us Obama is actually right-wing!

Well, I mean you must realize it is all relative. By European standards, Obama is right-wing. Romney would be far right, but because of how conservative the US is right now he's considered a moderate, if you're talking to the average American, or a RINO if you're talking to someone on the far right.

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Moops?
"I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion."

I guess it would be more accurate to say that Obama is a moderate by those standards. Only people on the far left think he's part of the right wing.

I know I could just edit my last post, but meh.

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Moops?
"I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion."

All American candidates are moderate by history's standards. But it's stupid to have such broad standards, that's why use our current method where everything is radical... which is also stupid.

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Deny. I mean, it's possible, if not particularly likely.

That being said, negative/anti campaigns are not a good idea nationwide. Most incumbents that have been upset have been upset by people who ran positive campaigns on their own vision. They were not angry campaigns, pitched as mostly an alternative to the president, like virtually all the Republican campaigns are likely to be minus Huntsman and Paul. Obama might not be popular, but a majority of American either approve of him, or think he is too conservative, so I don't think the Republicans have any sort of advantage there. Considering he has +10 approval rating amongst moderates any sort of negative campaign is likely to not have much traction on a messaging level, either.

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or think he is too conservative

Only devout communists think this.

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He has support among moderates but not independents, which is a bigger group I think, and which he won by a large margin in 2008. I think the basic difference between moderates and independents is that moderates want the government to be basically similar to what it is now, while independents want it to be radically changed. So, Obama did very well among independents with his hope and change campaign, but since becoming president he's been all about pragmatism, which would naturally alienate them.

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Confirm.

Assuming Obama has the same campaign manager as last time.

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Also, anyone who thinks that American politicians are all right-wing by European standards is living in the past by a few decades. On a few social issues this may be the case, but on economic issues it certainly isn't.

The United States has the most progressive income tax in the entire developed world. Nearly all European countries have lower corporate taxes than the US. Many of them have recently implemented legitimately serious austerity measures and have cautioned Obama that not doing the same will result in disaster (and they should know).

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XFD smuffin trying to argue US politicians are socialists this is so good


everyone sucks the corporations off so much its not even funny.

our tax is only that high because it keeps small businesses down while big ones get to take advantage of all the loopholes that they had put in there.

And Europe implementing austerity measures is going oh so f***ing well right now isn't it?

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Only devout communists think this.

Ok? Well then ~15% of America is devout communists. I'm just quoting poll numbers here.

He has support among moderates but not independents, which is a bigger group I think, and which he won by a large margin in 2008. I think the basic difference between moderates and independents is that moderates want the government to be basically similar to what it is now, while independents want it to be radically changed. So, Obama did very well among independents with his hope and change campaign, but since becoming president he's been all about pragmatism, which would naturally alienate them.

Independents were only 29% of the electorate in 2010, as opposed to 38% which were Moderates, albeit there's obviously some overlap. I see numbers amongst moderates as useful not so much in terms of how they play into the numbers game, but in terms of determining how well various political groups' messaging is working, since moderates are the ones most likely to be swayed by current arguments and not as much stuck in their ways.

Obama only won Independents 52-44 in 2008. I think the reason independent conservatives voted for him in 2008 was because all of the New World Order conspiracy group just votes for a "new" person whenever they come along, thinking that things will be different, but since nothing will ever be good enough for them a backlash develops. Obama's numbers dropped amongst moderates as well in Obama Vs. Romney polling, but they went mostly to options like "Unsure" and "Other." Romney and McCain both polled around 40%.

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Obama only won Independents 52-44 in 2008.

That's slightly larger than his overall margin among the entire electorate (52-46), so it's actually pretty substantial.

Massachusetts tells a pretty good story, I think. The electorate is about half independents, slightly less than half Democats, and very few Republicans. Obama won 62-36 in 2008 and Scott Brown then won the Senate special election in 2010 51-47. Wealthy, highly educated suburbs went over to the Republicans, and that is key. Suburbs are now a majority of the population of America, and the biggest swing areas as cities vote overwhelmingly blue and rural areas overwhelmingly red.

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Rick Perry was literally the only politician in the world willing to mandate his people take Gardasil shots, because it's a death sentence.

Err...I hope this means that mandating non-necessary (but highly beneficial) vaccines is a political death sentence, and not that giving someone the vaccine itself is a death sentence, because the latter requires so much tinfoil to be wrapped around your head that I'm afraid you might start interfering with your internet connection.

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Moops?
"I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion."

Deny. Unless something magical happens in the next 12 months or the Republicans nominate another John McCain, this economy will absolutely ruin Obama's reelection bid.

You literally have no idea what Gardasil does. I, on the other hand, was forced to do a presentation on it in my scientific ethics course I took in graduate school.

Or, hey, you know more than the scientists that made it, the scientists that peer reviewed it, and the scientists that tested it in clinical trials. Most likely because something you read about it on an internet blog post. Kudos!

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Moops?
"I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion."

I mean, I actually agree that drug companies lobbying state legislatures to force them to impose non-necessary vaccines on people in order for them to attend public schools is shady business. But I don't think that is what you're getting at.

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Moops?
"I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion."

I think that is exactly what he was getting at.

Though admittedly, only because I don't think he's stupid enough to argue otherwise. Although that line of reasoning has let me down so many times in the past...

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I think that is exactly what he was getting at.

Oh. Well then.

I thought he meant it was a death sentence for the kids taking it because govmunt hiding sekret chemikals in it. Sadly, on the internet this line of reasoning is alarmingly common.

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Moops?
"I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion."

Gardisil killed my family.

I will never forgive it.

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Gardasil peed in my toilet and didn't flush. It also dealphabetized my game collection.

I will never forgive it, either.

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Moops?
"I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion."

It also dealphabetized my game collection.

That's way worse. You win.

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I'm being oppressed!

Gardasil kicked my dog.

I will never forgive it. Not even in a fire.

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lol Suprak. This your first time talking Ulti Politics™?

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or the Republicans nominate another John McCain

Mitt Romney says hello.

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Hey now, it was Palin that *really* torpedoed McCain

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Smuffin, you really need to get your **** together.

You nominate the candidates that are electable, regardless of how well they fit into your perfect ideology. Not doing so will only curtail our conservative progress.

There is currently one candidate in the Republican field right now that is electable, and his name is Mitt Romney.

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DeathChicken posted...
Hey now, it was Palin that *really* torpedoed McCain

No one was beating Obama or Clinton in '08.

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Obama-McCain would've been a lot closer if McCain didn't choose Palin as VP

I'm not saying McCain would've won, but there would've been a bigger chance

anyone who says otherwise is just plain dumb

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UltimaterializerX posted...
You literally have no idea what Gardasil does. I, on the other hand, was forced to do a presentation on it in my scientific ethics course I took in graduate school.

Or, hey, you know more than the scientists that made it, the scientists that peer reviewed it, and the scientists that tested it in clinical trials. Most likely because something you read about it on an internet blog post. Kudos!

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/hpv/gardasil.html
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM111263.pdf

So the CDC's own site and the Gardasil insert is some internet conspiracy blog now? No wonder the American public is so far gone these days. I shudder to think what kind ethics are being taught in grad school if you aren't even made to read drug inserts or clinical trial side effects.


"The most common adverse reaction was headache"

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...did you read those things? I'm not...I'm not sure how you could read those and then...

I mean, what could possibly...

...oh wait.

I'm being trolled. Congrats, sir.

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Moops?
"I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion."

I love that Ulti is just posting anything that talks about the vaccine even thought none of them talk about it being particularly dangerous.

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muddersmilk posted...
I love that Ulti is just posting anything that talks about the vaccine even thought none of them talk about it being particularly dangerous.

In fairness, the first link is about people getting blood clots and dying


Edit: "In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination."

oh


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As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports of death among those who have received Gardasil® . There were 54 reports among females, 3 were among males, and 11 were reports of unknown gender. Thirty two of the total death reports have been confirmed and 36 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. A death report is confirmed (verified) after a medical doctor reviews the report and any associated records. In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.
-http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/hpv/gardasil.html

Deaths in the Entire Study Population
Across the clinical studies, 40 deaths (GARDASIL N = 21 or 0.1%; placebo N = 19 or 0.1%) were reported in 29,323 (GARDASIL N = 15,706; AAHS control N = 13,023, saline placebo N = 594) individuals (9- through 45-year-old girls and women; and 9- through 26-year-old boys and men). The events reported were consistent with events expected in healthy adolescent and adult populations. The most common cause of death was motor vehicle accident (5 individuals who received GARDASIL and 4 individuals who received AAHS control), followed by drug overdose/suicide (2 individuals who received GARDASIL and 6 individuals who received AAHS control), gun shot wound (1 individual who received GARDASIL and 3 individuals who received AAHS control), and pulmonary embolus/deep vein thrombosis (1 individual who received GARDASIL and 1 individual who received AAHS control). In addition, there were 2 cases of sepsis, 1 case of pancreatic cancer, 1 case of arrhythmia, 1 case of pulmonary tuberculosis, 1 case of hyperthyroidism, 1 case of post-operative pulmonary embolism and acute renal failure, 1 case of traumatic brain injury/cardiac arrest, 1 case of systemic lupus erythematosus, 1 case of cerebrovascular accident, 1 case of breast cancer, and 1 case of nasopharyngeal cancer in the group that received GARDASIL; 1 case of asphyxia, 1 case of acute lymphocytic leukemia, 1 case of chemical poisoning, and 1 case of myocardial ischemia in the AAHS control group; and 1 case of medulloblastoma in the saline placebo group.
-http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM111263.pdf

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That is hardly what the first link is about.

For blood clots:
There have been some reports of blood clots in females after receiving Gardasil. These clots have occurred in the heart, lungs, and legs. Most of these people had a risk of getting blood clots, such as taking oral contraceptives (the birth control pill), smoking, obesity, and other risk factors.

On dying:
In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.

There were 35 million doses administered in the US alone. There were 32 confirmed deaths of individuals sometime after they took the vaccine. There was no pattern found on the deaths, and some of the reports themselves indicated that the death was not caused by the vaccine.

DON'T YOU FALL FOR THIS TOO.

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Moops?
"I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion."

Back on topic: Rick Perry has screwed himself in more ways than one out of ever being elected (secession talk is a big no-no that causes real Americans like me to question his patriotism).

Romney is literally the only one in the field who can beat Obama, barring entrance by another national figure.

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Nevermind, you just didn't read it close enough the first time.

PHEW.

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