Suprak the Stud posted... That is hardly what the first link is about.
For blood clots: There have been some reports of blood clots in females after receiving Gardasil. These clots have occurred in the heart, lungs, and legs. Most of these people had a risk of getting blood clots, such as taking oral contraceptives (the birth control pill), smoking, obesity, and other risk factors.
On dying: In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.
There were 35 million doses administered in the US alone. There were 32 confirmed deaths of individuals sometime after they took the vaccine. There was no pattern found on the deaths, and some of the reports themselves indicated that the death was not caused by the vaccine.
DON'T YOU FALL FOR THIS TOO.
See my edit before these posts
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Back on topic: Rick Perry has screwed himself in more ways than one out of ever being elected (secession talk is a big no-no that causes real Americans like me to question his patriotism).
Romney is literally the only one in the field who can beat Obama, barring entrance by another national figure.
I completely agree with you. Romney is trailing in the poles, but he has plenty of time to make that up. The worst thing for him will be getting out of the primary, especially considering the health care plan he was himself responsible for.
There is a very interesting argument going on between Republican purists, who want to put out someone like Perry, and Republican pragmatists, who know Romney would be the most palatable to the general election. Should be fun to watch how it plays out.
I think Ron Paul might have a stronger shot than some think, as well. At least more so than some of the other top tier candidates that often get named. I still don't think he could beat Obama, but he isn't a complete joke candidate that would get creamed like Palin or Trump.
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Suprak the Stud posted... There is a very interesting argument going on between Republican purists, who want to put out someone like Perry, and Republican pragmatists, who know Romney would be the most palatable to the general election. Should be fun to watch how it plays out.
Republican purists = morons like Mark Levin/Glen Beck who make money off of getting people riled up and thus don't really care about results
Republican pragmatists = educated people like me and Karl Rove who know that it's better to get the most electable conservative in office than getting an ideologically pure conservative decimated at the polls
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Honestly my favorite part of republican purists is how utterly convinced they are that they are relevant.
I spend a lot of time listening to hyper right wing talk radio, and that **** is hilarious. Perry is seriously they're choice for contender, AND they think he could actually ****ing win.
Ron Paul routinely wins straw polls and comes within 5 points of Obama nationally.
And this means exactly jack ****. You remember the '08 Paul campaign? And if you're going by straw poll results, you'd have to argue that Bachmann has a real shot at securing the nomination, which is looney tunes.
Perry, by the way, is totally electable. Those controversial statements everyone's talking about- secession, bashing the Fed chairman- are critical and fringe enough to secure the crazy Tea Party constituency over Romney, but not too extreme to cost him many moderates (because he'll likely downplay them come general election time).
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I think Perry is still the underdog simply because Bachmann is already very popular among the Tea Party and because we still haven't seen him in a debate (and won't for 2-3 more weeks). Romney has already proven himself to be pretty effective in debates.
BoshStrikesBack posted... Perry, by the way, is totally electable. Those controversial statements everyone's talking about- secession, bashing the Fed chairman- are critical and fringe enough to secure the crazy Tea Party constituency over Romney, but not too extreme to cost him many moderates (because he'll likely downplay them come general election time).
Perry would not be electable even without those comments. Those comments just make him a joke candidate. "not too extreme" LMAO, keep telling yourself that buddy.
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Romney has been crumbling for awhile but he could still push through. He just needs better PR. Or he could be Rick Perry, who is looking legit right now.
Now, I don't think either deserves it (I'm pulling for the other gentleman from Texas as I was last election), but the two of them have a long, hard battle in front of them and I think that that they will both look well (Gladiator-style, with this media climate) in front of the voting public in the months to come even if they don't deserve it. Romney and Perry could both beat Obama if he doesn't whip out a secret weapon (like, you know, a debt plan or better economy outlook to justify his spending) on the right day. Right now they are just trying to figure out how to manufacture that right day without handing the match to the guy who actually deserves it (you know, that rEVOLution guy that the mass media blatantly, even flagrantly ignores).
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SmartMuffin posted... You remember the '08 Paul campaign?
Because nothing has changed in the country in the last four years.
I know you've got me on ignore, but for the average american nothing has actually changed in the last few years. They still aren't willing to hear the truth no matter what they have to lose. We're on a path to failure? Who wants to hear that? Ignore the messenger and elect someone who will **** us harder because it feels good if you don't think about it too much. Screw trying to fix ****.
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redrocket posted... BoshStrikesBack posted... Perry, by the way, is totally electable. Those controversial statements everyone's talking about- secession, bashing the Fed chairman- are critical and fringe enough to secure the crazy Tea Party constituency over Romney, but not too extreme to cost him many moderates (because he'll likely downplay them come general election time).
Perry would not be electable even without those comments. Those comments just make him a joke candidate. "not too extreme" LMAO, keep telling yourself that buddy.
Actually, even though it is sub-optimal, if you look at the current economic climate then those comments are pretty legit looking out 20 years. We still haven't cleared recession country and Texas could actually be better economically on their own (though there are good reasons for them not to move that way). Way better, actually, given their current structure and resources. Putting him up for pres is a reminder that we can fix our direction and not over-harvest the tax revenues of successful states/individuals (though it'd be nice if we could fairly tax them).
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"Principally I hate and detest the animal called man, although I heartily love John, Peter, Thomas and so forth" - Jonathan Swift BT with the victory!
Perry would not be electable even without those comments. Those comments just make him a joke candidate. "not too extreme" LMAO, keep telling yourself that buddy.
I'm adding this to my sig. We'll see who's right come the primary, but for the record, I don't want Perry to win; I just know he will.
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I know you've got me on ignore, but for the average american nothing has actually changed in the last few years. They still aren't willing to hear the truth no matter what they have to lose. We're on a path to failure? Who wants to hear that? Ignore the messenger and elect someone who will **** us harder because it feels good if you don't think about it too much. Screw trying to fix ****.
Right, because a racist, isolationist, economically-fringe radical who doesn't believe in separation of church and state is exactly what we need to turn things around.
-- Perry would not be electable even without those comments. Those comments just make him a joke candidate.-- redrocket
BoshStrikesBack posted... Perry would not be electable even without those comments. Those comments just make him a joke candidate. "not too extreme" LMAO, keep telling yourself that buddy.
I'm adding this to my sig. We'll see who's right come the primary, but for the record, I don't want Perry to win; I just know he will.
Fair assessment. He's not anywhere near my top candidate, but considering the republican field (those the big money media companies say are electable) he's actually the best option. Unless the whole country is huffing paint (lol Palin) there is only one person who can stand toe-to-toe with him in the media and that's Romney, who is losing his own base right now.
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"Principally I hate and detest the animal called man, although I heartily love John, Peter, Thomas and so forth" - Jonathan Swift BT with the victory!
BoshStrikesBack posted... Perry would not be electable even without those comments. Those comments just make him a joke candidate. "not too extreme" LMAO, keep telling yourself that buddy.
I'm adding this to my sig. We'll see who's right come the primary, but for the record, I don't want Perry to win; I just know he will.
Primary means nothing. He might win that; I'm saying he has no chance in a general election.
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BoshStrikesBack posted... I know you've got me on ignore, but for the average american nothing has actually changed in the last few years. They still aren't willing to hear the truth no matter what they have to lose. We're on a path to failure? Who wants to hear that? Ignore the messenger and elect someone who will **** us harder because it feels good if you don't think about it too much. Screw trying to fix ****.
Right, because a racist, isolationist, economically-fringe radical who doesn't believe in separation of church and state is exactly what we need to turn things around.
Racist is a stretch. Some of his supporters sadly are, no doubt*, but he's never said anything racist and you'd be hard pressed to find him doing something racist. You'd have to stretch the truth and say that some unfunded spending program he voted against was a racist act. Why? Because he believes all people should be treated equally no matter what they look like, and government should only spend what it has. He doesn't believe minorities deserve a hand up... but he wouldn't give a hand up to whites either. He believes that **** just isn't what government is for.
Isolationist? Are you joking? Take a poli-sci class and you'll learn he is anything but. He wants international trade and says so regularly (which is the actual opposite of isolationism). He wants diplomatic relations, no question. What he doesn't like is going to war with people that have never (really) threatened us (or at least aren't a real threat). We didn't need to pay for the destruction of, and subsequent rebuilding of, Iraq because they were absolutely no threat.
Economically fringe is a joke response in this economic situation. When everything that is supposed to work fails, it's a good idea to check the alternatives. Now, he goes further than I ever would, no doubt, but he goes in the right direction. If he were pres congress would keep him in check. He couldn't cut to the bone, but he could cut the fat. One of the institutions he rails against the most is the department of education, and for good reason. Bush doubled their budget and halved their result. That **** needs to be fixed, and the easy fix is telling the federal gov to mind their own business.
And believing in your own idea of separation of C+S shouldn't be a knock. I believe religion has no place in politics, but that's not how the constitution was written. What they wrote was that politics had no place in religion. If I could convert him to atheism I wouldn't hesitate for a second because he'd be a better candidate... for me... but to ignore the actual writing of the founding fathers as you have on this matter is foolish. You can't separate the public from their religion, all you can do is insure that religion doesn't oppress people who don't follow it and insure that government doesn't oppress religion (the real reason behind division of church and state).
*You can't find a candidate that isn't supported by someone that hates some other ethnic group in today's political climate. It's not the candidate's fault
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(For the uninitiated, Rick Perry just hosted a prayer service for America that found him allied with groups that believe that the United States should be a Christian nation, and also believes that creationism is and should be taught in public schools).
There's "Gay people shouldn't marry, and abortion should be illegal" Christian Right-wingers, and then there are the people who I'm talking about, these people (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/14/dominionism-michele-bachmann-and-rick-perry-s-dangerous-religious-bond.html), who believe that Christians have a god-given right to rule the world. Needless to say, especially if you read that article, these people are much more frightening than your average Religious Righter. And Perry and Bachmann are on their side.
Do you really wanna play the "look at the groups these people are associated with" game in an election involving Barack Obama? Really? I guarantee you every single republican candidate wins THAT particular argument...
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From: SmartMuffin | #127 Do you really wanna play the "look at the groups these people are associated with" game in an election involving Barack Obama? Really? I guarantee you every single republican candidate wins THAT particular argument...
Do you really wanna play the "look at the groups these people are associated with" game in an election involving Barack Obama? Really? I guarantee you every single republican candidate wins THAT particular argument...
Yeah no. I'm no communist sympathizer or whatever the hell you accuse everyone who doesn't totally agree with you of being, but HELL no.
yoshifan823 posted... It feels weird to be stumping for a Republican candidate, but Jon Huntsman seems like a pretty cool dude. I dunno if I would vote for him in an election, but Obama isn't really making a great impression, and there's no way I'd vote for anyone else the GOP would put out there, because, as I said before, they're all crazy and terrible.
Mitt isn't "crazy" and he has proven to be an effective conservative leader-- and not in some awesome state that conservatives own, but in a state full of Leftists. That's more important on a national level.
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UltimaterializerX posted... Perry, by the way, is totally electable.
Just came out yesterday that Rick Perry solicits male prostitutes and has a drug problem.
So yeah, he runs on Christian values while acting like Tiger Woods behind the scenes. Add Robert Morrow to the list of people that can just destroy Rick Perry's campaign.
This is still unconfirmed, and until I see someone other than the accuser and Noted Crazy Man Alex Jones talking about it in the media, I'm gonna not believe that. Besides, there's much more important reasons why people wouldn't elect Perry. The secession talk is a big one, and the whole corporate cronyism thing is a big deal too (https://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/us/politics/21donate.html?_r=1).
Plus, the guy is gonna alienate all but the most radical of Christians with just how into God he is. (For the uninitiated, Rick Perry just hosted a prayer service for America that found him allied with groups that believe that the United States should be a Christian nation, and also believes that creationism is and should be taught in public schools).
It feels weird to be stumping for a Republican candidate, but Jon Huntsman seems like a pretty cool dude. I dunno if I would vote for him in an election, but Obama isn't really making a great impression, and there's no way I'd vote for anyone else the GOP would put out there, because, as I said before, they're all crazy and terrible.
Also, SMuffin, if you come back in here, would you care to explain why socialism is a bad thing? Does it come down to "**** you, got mine"-style thinking, is it anti-USSR Cold War-era scare tactics, or did a Swedish person jump out of a bush and scare you as a small child? (I'd almost put money down that somewhere, the word communism pops up in his response, despite having no place in it.)
Mershaaay posted... yoshifan823 posted... It feels weird to be stumping for a Republican candidate, but Jon Huntsman seems like a pretty cool dude. I dunno if I would vote for him in an election, but Obama isn't really making a great impression, and there's no way I'd vote for anyone else the GOP would put out there, because, as I said before, they're all crazy and terrible.
Mitt isn't "crazy" and he has proven to be an effective conservative leader-- and not in some awesome state that conservatives own, but in a state full of Leftists. That's more important on a national level.
True, Mitt isn't crazy, but he is terrible. Should have put an and/or there.
And Smuffin, you can look at the groups that are "associated" with Obama, but at least tried to distance himself from them (see Jeremiah Wright). Perry and Bachmann are willingly associating themselves with these people during their campaigns, and not disavowing their ideas. That's a whole hell of a lot worse.
Do you really wanna play the "look at the groups these people are associated with" game in an election involving Barack Obama? Really? I guarantee you every single republican candidate wins THAT particular argument...
No, no they don't. The American Family Association is officially classified as a hate group. They've accused the Holocaust as being the result of homosexuality and said Jewish upbringing result in a criminal lifestyle, and are all around complete nutcases. Rick Perry personally thanked their President.
Homosexuality gave us Adolph Hitler, and homosexuals in the military gave us the Brown Shirts, the Nazi war machine and six million dead Jews. Gays in the military is an experiment that has been tried and found disastrously and tragically wanting. Maybe it's time for Congress to learn a lesson from history.
In the March issue of American Family Association Journal, a publication of Donald E. Wildmon's right-wing evangelical activist group, the American Family Association (AFA), author Randall Murphree suggested that a Jewish upbringing leads to hatred of Christians, and by extension, a criminal lifestyle
Those are not even the worst things they've said, they're just the worst things I've got links to at this exact moment.
The American Family Association is NOTHING compared to the New Apostolic Reformation. Who are also all buddy-buddy with Rick Perry and involved in his big Christian Prayer whatever.
For starters, they think they're Prophets in the Old Testament style. And that the Earthquakes that hit Japan were a good thing. And that they caused them.
We declared, “Awake, O north wind! Awaken the north wind, and cause this garden that has been enclosed by the enemy to open up so that these seeds of harvest will come forth.”
So..uhh...you're really going to say that Obama hangs out with people worse than this? Worse than the ones that think they destroyed Japan with their magic powers? REALLY?
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UltimaterializerX posted... Alex Jones might be nuts, but at the end of the day 99% of what he does is "here's an article in the news". People who bash him are standard "bash the messenger" types.
Yeah, but I did a search of Google for "Rick Perry Male prostitute", and his was the only recent page that came up, everything else was from years ago.
I hadn't heard about him wanting Congress having the ability to overturn the Supreme Court's decisions. What's even sadder is one of the reasons (if not the main reason) he wants to get rid of the Supreme Court: Rick Perry wants to arrest all gay people and hates the Supreme Court telling him he can't.
he is (still) a supporter of the Texas "homosexual conduct" statute, an archaic law that made it a crime for two consenting, unrelated adults to have sex if they were of the same gender. The law was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in the landmark 2002 case Lawrence v. Texas, but, despite repeated efforts, Texas has yet to formally repeal the statute. When Perry was asked about the Lawrence case in 2002, he defended the anti-sodomy statute: "I think our law is appropriate that we have on the books." He wrote about the case in his 2011 book Fed Up, too, citing the Lawrence decision as the product of "nine oligarchs in robes" and an example of what's wrong with our judicial system.
Compared to Rick Perry, Bachman almost looks sane. So allow me to take a minute to bash her some.
(1) BACHMANN WARNED ‘THE LION KING’ WAS GAY PROPAGANDA:
At the November 2004 EdWatch National Education Conference, Bachmann said the “normalization” of homosexuality would lead to “desensitization”: “Very effective way to do this with a bunch of second graders, is take a picture of ‘The Lion King’ for instance, and a teacher might say, ‘Do you know that the music for this movie was written by a gay man?’ The message is: I’m better at what I do, because I’m gay.”
(5) BACHMANN LIKENED VISITING IRAQ TO VISITING MALL OF AMERICA:
In 2007, Bachmann returned from a junket to Iraq and told her colleagues, “[T]here’s a commonality with the Mall of America, in that it’s on that proportion. There’s marble everywhere. The other thing I remarked about was there is water everywhere.”
(8) BACHMANN SUGGESTED GAY SINGER SHOULD REPENT AFTER GETTING CANCER: Bachmann saw Melissa Etheridge’s cancer as a teachable moment: “Unfortunately she is now suffering from breast cancer, so keep her in your prayers,” she said in November 2004. “This may be an opportunity for her now to be open to some spiritual things, now that she is suffering with that physical disease. She is a lesbian.”
The Lion King is turning children gay, Iraq is like the Mall of America, and God gave Melissa Etheridge cancer for being gay.
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