Board 8 > Attn Europeans: How do you feel about the United States of Europe?

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SmartMuffin
09/07/11 8:01:00 PM
#1:


It seems to be a lot closer to happening than we previously thought...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/06/business/global/euro-zone-leaders-get-warning-from-ecb.html?_r=2

Scares me quite a bit. Seems like this is the type of thing that could lead to another world war...

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swirIdude
09/07/11 8:02:00 PM
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I prefer the United States of Japan.

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SHINE GET 64
09/07/11 8:03:00 PM
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swirIdude posted...
I prefer the United States of Japan.

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AfroSquirrel
09/07/11 8:05:00 PM
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SmartMuffin posted...
It seems to be a lot closer to happening than we previously thought...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/06/business/global/euro-zone-leaders-get-warning-from-ecb.html?_r=2

Scares me quite a bit. Seems like this is the type of thing that could lead to another world war...


A civil war within the EU is a very distant possibility, but a World War? No.

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SmartMuffin
09/07/11 8:06:00 PM
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A civil war within the EU is a very distant possibility, but a World War? No.

The rest of the world all has various economic entanglements with both sides, many of which we don't even know about. How much money has the Fed already loaned to Greece? We don't know. It could be enough to require us to take a side.

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red sox 777
09/07/11 8:07:00 PM
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The Europeans of 1911 would be ashamed to see the great nations of Europe reduced to this in just 100 years.

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charmander6000
09/07/11 8:25:00 PM
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A war between EU countries would be almost as likely as a war between US states. At the very least the EU must be destroyed as the countries go to war.

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redrocket
09/07/11 8:27:00 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
The Europeans of 1911 would be ashamed to see the great nations of Europe reduced to this in just 100 years.

I think you're about 60 years late on this assessment, bro

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foolm0ron
09/07/11 8:28:00 PM
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I mean there's already the EU and the Euro, how much more united can they get?

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SmartMuffin
09/07/11 8:34:00 PM
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I mean there's already the EU and the Euro, how much more united can they get?

They can get... like the United States.... why don't you just read the article? It pretty much answers your question exactly.

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charmander6000
09/07/11 8:38:00 PM
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Just wait until we get the United States of Earth.

First Europe, then the world.

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Jeff Zero
09/07/11 8:39:00 PM
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From: redrocket | #008
I think you're about 60 years late on this assessment, bro


Yeah, seriously...

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redrocket
09/07/11 8:39:00 PM
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one world government

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Jeff Zero
09/07/11 8:41:00 PM
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If it were feasible I'd back it.

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SmartMuffin
09/07/11 8:41:00 PM
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Keep electing leftists and you'll have it soon enough.

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Jeff Zero
09/07/11 8:42:00 PM
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From: SmartMuffin | #015
Keep electing leftists and you'll have it soon enough.


Feasible as in I believed the current populations of the world could feasibly cope with one-another instead of more directly tearing one-another to shreds. Not feasible as in attainable.

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red sox 777
09/07/11 8:42:00 PM
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I'm guessing this is the one case where the Queen would refuse royal assent.

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SmartMuffin
09/07/11 8:44:00 PM
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I'm guessing this is the one case where the Queen would refuse royal assent.

Well, England not being part of the Euro means it presumably wouldn't be involved. I guess. I dunno, they aren't really being talked about much in all of this.

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charmander6000
09/07/11 9:02:00 PM
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I heard that the UK is being heavily pushed into adopting the Euro by 2015 though.

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SmartMuffin
09/07/11 9:41:00 PM
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Who on Earth would want to get into the Euro NOW?

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SmartMuffin
09/09/11 7:48:00 AM
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German representative just resigned from the ECB. Watch out!

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VincentLauw
09/09/11 7:52:00 AM
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How much do you know exactly about Europe Smuffin? Because a thing like this won't happen in the near future, I mean at all.

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SmartMuffin
09/09/11 7:53:00 AM
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How much do you know exactly about Europe Smuffin?

Enough to know that previous attempts to force European nations to surrender their sovereignty haven't exactly done all that well.

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VincentLauw
09/09/11 7:55:00 AM
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From: SmartMuffin | #023
How much do you know exactly about Europe Smuffin?

Enough to know that previous attempts to force European nations to surrender their sovereignty haven't exactly done all that well.


Then why would it happen now?

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SmartMuffin
09/09/11 7:57:00 AM
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Uh, what I mean by "haven't done well" is "led to massive world wars"

Read the article, man. The PIIGS and France are basically demanding a unified Europe, while the Germans and a few others are doing their best to say "Over our dead bodies" without actually SAYING that because they understand what the implication of saying that would be.

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red sox 777
09/09/11 4:15:00 PM
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Southern Europe is in no position to force Northern Europe to unite with them. They're weaker economically and militarily (well technically France > Germany in military right now but, um.......it's France and Germany, we all saw what happened the last 3 times). Besides, European countries currently really really don't want war, and would do a lot to avoid it.

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metroid13
09/09/11 4:21:00 PM
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Considering how well the last two went, I have to imagine Europe (France and Germany, in particular) would do literally everything in their power to avoid another mass war on that continent.

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Ancient_Requiem
09/09/11 4:30:00 PM
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The United States of America is an empire in decline. Somebody has to take its place. Will it be the EU? China?
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SmartMuffin
09/09/11 4:40:00 PM
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I have to imagine Europe (France and Germany, in particular) would do literally everything in their power to avoid another mass war on that continent.

Up to and including surrendering their sovereignty? I'm not so sure. Some things are worth fighting for.

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metroid13
09/09/11 4:43:00 PM
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Globalization and increasingly powerful weapons of war make war itself (in the sense of a conflict between nations) seem increasingly irrelevant and undesirable. Just my five cents.

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SHINE GET 64
09/09/11 4:47:00 PM
#31:


how long until we have one world government anyway? We'll need it when we begin interstellar travel

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red sox 777
09/09/11 4:56:00 PM
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A war would require some countries to want a united Europe so badly that they're willing to go to war for it. There aren't any of those in Europe.

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PrinceReva
09/09/11 4:57:00 PM
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SHINE GET 64 posted...
how long until we have one world government anyway? We'll need it when we begin interstellar travel

As soon as the Christians die out and let it happen. Isn't that like a key sign of "The end o' the times" ?

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GranzonEx
09/09/11 5:00:00 PM
#34:


Union of Solar Energy and Free Nations (USA/Japan and friends)
Human Reform League (China/Russia and friends)
Advanced European Union

The future.
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charmander6000
09/09/11 5:09:00 PM
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Oceania
Eastasia
Eurasia

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SmartMuffin
09/10/11 8:02:00 AM
#36:


You're missing the point here.

It's not just that "other countries kinda want a united Europe and will be bummed if it doesn't happen." These other countries are telling their citizens that the lack of a united Europe is responsible for their recessions, unemployment, debt crises, and in some of them, riots in the streets. The narrative has changed. Greece is no longer in a bad situation because they lived well beyond their means, cheated on their taxes, elected corrupt politicians, and committed fraud to the ECB. No, it's those EVIL SELFISH GERMANS who REFUSE to bail them out and if only there was a united Europe we could MAKE them do it!!!

This is a lot more dangerous than you give it credit for.

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Kotetsu534
09/10/11 8:08:00 AM
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The only options are A) the Eurozone countries agree to hand over fiscal powers to a supra-national body so this mess can be dealt with and can never happen again or B) the Eurozone countries default on their sovereign debt, forcing them to exit the Euro, causing huge worldwide economic instability and probably a prolonged depression (plenty of right-wing politicians and economists are desperate for this not to happen and actively attempting to persuade European governments to agree to A, including the UK's Chancellor George Osborne.

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Bigwig_rah
09/10/11 8:10:00 AM
#38:


GranzonEx posted...
Union of Solar Energy and Free Nations (USA/Japan and friends)
Human Reform League (China/Russia and friends)
Advanced European Union

The future.


This isn't going to happen until we have our space elevators though, which are a pretty long way off.

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