Board 8 > Most Powerful Fictional Character 2011: Mewtwo vs. It [MPFC]

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KanzarisKelshen
09/10/11 3:00:00 PM
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(1) Mewtwo
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From the Pokemon anime, Mewtwo is a psychic Pokemon. Widely regarded as one of the most powerful Pokemon in existence, Mewtwo possesses telepathic and telekinetic abilities, including summoning a barrier to protect himself; teleporting; an energy attack called Shadow Ball, which is powerful enough to destroy a building; and Hyper Beam, which fires a large beam from his mouth. Mewtwo was also able to Disable almost fifty Pokemon at once, preventing them from using any attacks.

Mewtwo has also used his powers to create large-scale illusions of hurricanes, wipe the memories of large groups of people, and unleash large amounts of destruction; he destroys the Team Rocket headquarters at one point. He also teleported an entire island, lake, and spring into a small cave.


(8) It
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It is the primary antagonist of the Stephen King novel of the same name. It is a being from between dimensions that sent a physical manifestation of itself to Earth in the distant past, where it sleeps and periodically wakes to feed on human flesh and emotion. It is a shapeshifter, whose primary ability is to assume the form of whatever its victim fears the most, gaining both the strengths and weaknesses of the shape it has taken. While shifted, It is particularly vulnerable to its target overcoming their fear of It, as even a weak attack in this manner can drive It into temporary retreat.

The human mind cannot perceive It's true form, instead seeing only a gigantic spider, which is capable of devouring a man's arm in one bite. It also possesses the ability to form a mental connection to a target, dragging the victim's mind through empty space and eventually into It's true form beyond the boundaries of the universe, what It calls the Deadlights, the experience of which will consume the mind of whoever witnesses it; The victim can attempt through willpower and imagination to resist the effect, however. Being defeated in this test of wills causes severe, near-"fatal" harm to It.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
09/10/11 3:02:00 PM
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the giant spider last I checked got harmed greatly by asthma medicine.


Mewtwo

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PrinceKaro
09/10/11 3:05:00 PM
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What thing would Mewtwo fear the most?

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FFDragon
09/10/11 3:06:00 PM
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A Master Ball.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/10/11 3:06:00 PM
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PrinceKaro posted...
What thing would Mewtwo fear the most?

This eludes me. I'm not entirely sure, since I'm not a Pokémon expert. Any pokéfans care to chime in and make a wild guess?

EDIT: Never mind, I got beaten magnificently. You win this round FFD.

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SuperAngelo128
09/10/11 3:06:00 PM
#6:


can you post a bracket link

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DeathChicken
09/10/11 3:07:00 PM
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It wasn't really asthma medicine. It was the little kid believing the asthma medicine was some kind of horrible acid, and It dying to Belief Magic as it turned literal

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Shoenin_Kakashi
09/10/11 3:08:00 PM
#8:


oh yeah

It was a silly made for TV movie, but enjoyable nonetheless for some reason

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DeathChicken
09/10/11 3:11:00 PM
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I'm also pretty sure it didn't actually kill It, and he bit that kid's arm off and killed him in return

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Shoenin_Kakashi
09/10/11 3:14:00 PM
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he was an adult when he died, every kid lived except 2 of those bully dicks.
Also there's a pretty thin line between Bully and Serial Killer, and they crossed it pretty easily <_<









Speaking of which, why was It a giant spider again <_<?

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DeathChicken
09/10/11 3:17:00 PM
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You Can't Comprehend My True Form deal. That was the closest thing he resembled to them

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Shoenin_Kakashi
09/10/11 3:17:00 PM
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fair enough


that was still a "what the hell?" moment though <_<

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KanzarisKelshen
09/10/11 3:20:00 PM
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SuperAngelo128 posted...
can you post a bracket link

This one?

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?&tid=408528&tclass=

If it doesn't work let me know.

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junk_funk
09/10/11 3:24:00 PM
#14:


Mewtwo

Easily.

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09/10/11 3:28:00 PM
#15:


Mewtwo

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DeathChicken
09/10/11 3:31:00 PM
#16:


I'm actually leaning towards It, just because I don't know if Mewtwo could pull off the whole 'We have no fears anymore, so you have no power' thing the kids did to beat It. As long as It has something you're scared of, he keeps coming. That's kind of his gimmick

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KanzarisKelshen
09/10/11 3:34:00 PM
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Indeed, I feel tempted to side by It too. I wonder what Mewtwo's prime fear would be...maybe a human who has enslaved several mighty pokémon and who's skilled enough to defeat him in a battle? Or a sapient, malicious Master Ball like FFD jokingly suggested?

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DeathChicken
09/10/11 3:35:00 PM
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Basically, he's not the kind of thing you can really beat by punching it. Closer to a Mini-Giygas. The power of belief is what ****s him up

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Pirateking2000
09/10/11 4:31:00 PM
#19:


Mewtwo

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SuperAngelo128
09/10/11 4:31:00 PM
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From: KanzarisKelshen | #013
This one?

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?&tid=408528&tclass=

If it doesn't work let me know.


it only doesnt work if you keep the edit=1

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tazzyboyishere
09/10/11 4:31:00 PM
#21:


Mewtwo

He'd convince It to swim across the ocean and then conjure up a crazy thunderstorm

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DeathChicken
09/10/11 4:34:00 PM
#22:


Well, I'll toss a vote for It then, since I'm not seeing any real arguments as to what Mewtwo would *do* to actually hurt him

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meisnewbie
09/10/11 4:35:00 PM
#23:


And you never will

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DeathChicken
09/10/11 4:38:00 PM
#24:


Way I'm seeing the fight going in my head, Mewtwo opens up with one of his attacks. Attack does nothing. It assumes the form of...whatever the hell it is Mewtwo is scared of. And then the fight depends on if Mewtwo can overcome that before It kills him. I'm not really seeing it, once Mewtwo's confidence is shaken

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DeathChicken
09/10/11 4:52:00 PM
#25:


Particularly since It can apparently low level reality warp, once he gets on a fear roll. If Mewtwo really is afraid of a Master Ball, It would probably suck him in and then crush him

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GANON1025
09/10/11 5:07:00 PM
#26:


Mewtwo's greatest fear would probably involve re-living his first days in a test tube, seeing his friends die by evil scientist but only this time not being able to break out or something.

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jdizzy156
09/10/11 5:08:00 PM
#27:


where in the anime does mewtwo show fear of a masterball? ive never seen a masterball in the anime lol.

mewtwo is the strongest thing on the planet so i dont think he fears anything.

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Orochimaru_Fan
09/10/11 5:12:00 PM
#28:


In theory, Mewtwo should be okay with moves like Calm Mind or Amnesia. He seems particularly skilled at the latter, when you remember how he managed to erase selective memories from Ash and co. in both movies.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
09/10/11 5:13:00 PM
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btw which M2 are we using anyways?

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GANON1025
09/10/11 5:14:00 PM
#30:


Of course, when It tries to do the Greatest Fear move, Mewtwo just goes "Me First"

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KanzarisKelshen
09/10/11 5:16:00 PM
#31:


Orochimaru_Fan posted...
In theory, Mewtwo should be okay with moves like Calm Mind or Amnesia. He seems particularly skilled at the latter, when you remember how he managed to erase selective memories from Ash and co. in both movies.

I'm going with Mewtwo here.


Which he doesn't have AFAIK. We're using Movies/Anime mewtwo, just in case. If he displays those it's fair to assume he has them, otherwise no joy.

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DeathChicken
09/10/11 5:16:00 PM
#32:


At which point Mewtwo becomes 'Belief', since that's all It is scared of. Mewtwo then dies due to being a metaphysical concept

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GANON1025
09/10/11 5:18:00 PM
#33:


Oh, just movie/anime Mewtwo.

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Jeff Zero
09/10/11 5:18:00 PM
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It.

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Emporer_Kazbar
09/10/11 5:23:00 PM
#35:


Mewtwo is the most powerful psychic in the entire Pokemon universe, and nobody here thinks he'd have the mental conditioning to handle something it find scary? Not to mention it could read It's mind and find out how to defeat him.

Mewtwo, easy.

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DeathChicken
09/10/11 5:24:00 PM
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Yes, reading the mind of a Lovecraftian cosmic horror. I'm sure that would go well

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Team Rocket Elite
09/10/11 5:28:00 PM
#37:


It is a shapeshifter, whose primary ability is to assume the form of whatever its victim fears the most, gaining both the strengths and weaknesses of the shape it has taken.

If it becomes a physical object and Mewtwo smashes him, does that actually do anything to It?

It also possesses the ability to form a mental connection to a target, dragging the victim's mind through empty space and eventually into It's true form beyond the boundaries of the universe, what It calls the Deadlights, the experience of which will consume the mind of whoever witnesses it; The victim can attempt through willpower and imagination to resist the effect, however. Being defeated in this test of wills causes severe, near-"fatal" harm to It.

How likely is It to use this? Mewtwo has a strong mind so I could see Mewtwo having a chance at turning this against It.

where in the anime does mewtwo show fear of a masterball? ive never seen a masterball in the anime lol.

A real Master Ball has only shown up once in the anime and it failed to catch the Pokemon it was thrown at. Mewtwo had absolutely nothing to do with the anime episode the Master Ball appeared in. I don't know if Mewtwo even knows what a Master Ball is let alone afraid of it.

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DeathChicken
09/10/11 5:32:00 PM
#38:


If it becomes a physical object and Mewtwo smashes him, does that actually do anything to It?

It all depends on Mewtwo's ability to overcome his fear of whatever it was It turned into. The physical blow wouldn't do anything. Overcoming It's fear based power to hit him back would jack him up. That's how he works

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todbot1
09/10/11 5:33:00 PM
#39:


Hmm.

Mewtwo.

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Emporer_Kazbar
09/10/11 5:33:00 PM
#40:


By the way, if anyone has any questions about Mewtwo's moveset here, I think this page is the most reliable source:

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mewtwo_%28anime%29#Moves_used

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EDumey
09/10/11 5:37:00 PM
#41:


Mewtwo

Super strong will is kind of his gimmick, he can overcome fear.

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Durandi
09/10/11 5:40:00 PM
#42:


Mewtwo

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Justin_Crossing
09/10/11 5:44:00 PM
#43:


mewtwo

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Jeff Zero
09/10/11 5:45:00 PM
#44:


Emporer_Kazbar posted...
By the way, if anyone has any questions about Mewtwo's moveset here, I think this page is the most reliable source:

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mewtwo_%28anime%29#Moves_used


But this is only based on the movie/anime variety. Hence, irrelevant.

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Kenri
09/10/11 5:45:00 PM
#45:


Mewtwo's response to things that scare/disturb/annoy/anger him is pretty much to enter "nuke everything" mode. If It is harmed by belief, this is gonna be a problem, because Mewtwo's mindset is pretty much "I'm the strongest being in the world, nobody can hurt me, and I can defeat anyone under any condition".

Mewtwo

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DeathChicken
09/10/11 5:48:00 PM
#46:


I like how the arguments go here

'It is immune to physical attacks. If you're going to beat him, you'd have to do it by overcoming his fear power, not hitting him with a bunch of moves.'

'Here's a big list of Mewtwo's MOVEZ'

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GANON1025
09/10/11 5:49:00 PM
#47:


Actually most of his movies are Special, not Physical.

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Jeff Zero
09/10/11 5:50:00 PM
#48:


DeathChicken posted...
I like how the arguments go here

'It is immune to physical attacks. If you're going to beat him, you'd have to do it by overcoming his fear power, not hitting him with a bunch of moves.'

'Here's a big list of Mewtwo's MOVEZ'


ikr

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Team Rocket Elite
09/10/11 5:52:00 PM
#49:


Mewtwo's response to things that scare/disturb/annoy/anger him is pretty much to enter "nuke everything" mode. If It is harmed by belief, this is gonna be a problem, because Mewtwo's mindset is pretty much "I'm the strongest being in the world, nobody can hurt me, and I can defeat anyone under any condition".

This is sort of what I'm thinking of. If It turns into some of monster that Mewtwo is afraid of, I see Mewtwo's response as facing it head on and flinging Shadow Ball rather than turning and running away.

The asthma medicine worked like acid because the person believed that it was acid powerful enough to harm It, right? So if Mewtwo believes his Shadow Ball can hurt It, he would also be able hurt It, right?

How does It respond to fears of abstract things? Like if someone is afraid of death or loneliness. Does It have to transform into something physical?

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Emporer_Kazbar
09/10/11 5:55:00 PM
#50:


From: Jeff Zero | #044
But this is only based on the movie/anime variety. Hence, irrelevant.


From: KanzarisKelshen | #031
Which he doesn't have AFAIK. We're using Movies/Anime mewtwo, just in case.


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