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Lord Foul's powerful magic spells and deceitful ways were superior to Alex Mercer's biomass-fueled abilities, allowing the Despiser to achieve an easy victory of 12-2.
(2) Minato Namikaze http://www.freenarutowallpapers.net/images/wmwallpapers/Minato-Namikaze-1.jpeg From Naruto, Minato Namikaze is the Fourth Hokage, a master ninja who defeated the mighty demon Kyuubi by sealing it within the body of a child. Minato's greatest asset is his speed, thanks to his Body Flicker Jutsu, which has gained him the nickname of "The Yellow Flash of Konoha" due to how it allows him to teleport to any location as long as he knows exactly where he is going. Other techniques at his disposal include a barrage of special kunais, to which he can teleport , the Rasengan, an energy attack which he invented, and the ability to summon giant frogs to his aid.
(7) Yusuke Urameshi From YuYu Hakusho, Yusuke Urameshi is the teenage protagonist, a “Spirit Detective.” Yusuke’s most common technique is the Spirit Gun, an energy beam which can be projected from small shot to a full-sized cannon blast from his index finger; when reborn as a half-demon, Yusuke upgrades this to the Demon Gun, which is more powerful and can be used so long as he has demon energy.
Yusuke also has other ranged attacks, such as the Shotgun, which fires widespread shots, and Spirit Gun Rapid Fire, which fires all the blasts of his gun rapidly. He can also attack physically with the Spirit Light Bullet, which turns his entire body into a Spirit Gun.
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1) What a nice set of pictures. After having to look for pics last match, getting something as good as these two is a welcome change.
2) There were no technical difficulties. We have always been at war with Eurasia.
Fnord.
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Speaking more seriously, Yusuke's writeup is missing his physical feats, but not for lack of trying. He's done some stuff that looks VERY impressive on paper, but since the only decently good numbers we have on YYH are from the start of the series, they're very ???? and couldn't be included. If anyone can prove me wrong about this feel free, I'd love to finally get something useful for his writeup.
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Going by that Ultimate Storm move but I think he has a kunai with the specific tag that allows him to do it (like throws it behind you and auto teleports behind you mid throw)
but otherwise for like teleporting across battlefields he has them set up already / as he goes along so he won't be teleporting to like 20 spots every second
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Well it is interesting to note that the Spirit Gun would be entirely ineffective here as Minato can use seals to redirect blasts like that to areas of his choosing. I almost wonder if he could do it to reflect back at Yusuke, as the example shown in the Manga he couldn't do it because the village is in danger.
I know both very well, and Minato is kind of a dick.
Not only is he top tier Naruto fast, but his kunais that allow for teleporting literally allow instant movement.
So yeah none of Yusuke's range is any good here. Way too much setup for the most part, way too predictable.
I think the big problem for Yusuke here is if he can't finish this quickly Minato is very, very clever, and is used to facing demons with great destructive force.
Going to have to think.
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Also, AFAIK Minato can teleport normally. The kunai trick is just a way to rapidly sweep across the battlefield, which he uses especially when fighting with other people. Of course, that isn't quite so useful in MPFC...
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Oh, Minato can do seals? That makes this match very interesting. Yusuke absolutely has him beat, powerwise - in a way this is like the Luke/Sovereign match, except using Shounen characters instead. If Yusuke gets a tag on Minato I'd say it's fair to say he'd die. The question is if that'll happen, if that sealing deal works.
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Barrier negates Yusuke's range game, Melee would favor Yusuke if he could land a hit but Minato is fast enough to literally get out of time and space warping techniques. The longer a battle goes, the more clever Minato has shown to be, even against the guy he was facing who knew all of Minato's techniques before hand and master planned the encounter.
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Barrier negates Yusuke's range game, Melee would favor Yusuke if he could land a hit but Minato is fast enough to literally get out of time and space warping techniques. The longer a battle goes, the more clever Minato has shown to be, even against the guy he was facing who knew all of Minato's techniques before hand and master planned the encounter.
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literally untouchable and can probably put Yusuke's range back on him for MASSIVE DAMAGE or however you kids say that these days
The problem I see for Yusuke is he isn't a very clever fighter. He is far, far too straight forward for Minato. Now Minato versus Kurama 'amazing fight'
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Minato's kunai literally chopped through a tentacle of the second strongest demon in Naruto. Now I know that's not on par with Yusuke, but Minato packs a punch as well.
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Doesn't Yusuke fight at near instantaneous movement end series? Not only that he fights for like 3 f***ing days straight against the strongest demon in the series, he is by all means a tank, and has quite a bit of stamina.
Yusuke doesn't even have to use a blast, he can just punch Minato once and it's over. Sure Minato is fast, and has some handy techniques, but I don't think his base speed is as fast as Yusukes, his real speed comes from his teleportation. Not only that but, if it does drag out, it still favors Yusuke, because like I said, he has insane stamina.
From: Sorozone | #020 Doesn't Yusuke fight at near instantaneous movement end series? Not only that he fights for like 3 f***ing days straight against the strongest demon in the series, he is by all means a tank, and has quite a bit of stamina.
Yusuke doesn't even have to use a blast, he can just punch Minato once and it's over. Sure Minato is fast, and has some handy techniques, but I don't think his base speed is as fast as Yusukes, his real speed comes from his teleportation. Not only that but, if it does drag out, it still favors Yusuke, because like I said, he has insane stamina.
The thing to consider here is that Minato has unlimited teleport. As I noted in my list he carries a lot of kunai and will regularly throw them to start. Further, can Yusuke take his own Gun? Because it is very possible that Minato can deliver that technique back at him.
Not shown was Minato's ability to summon massive toads which would come in handy here. Also Minato's stamina might not be quite as high, but he doesn't expend nearly as much energy either. Also I think that 3 day battle was skipped around a bit for a reason <_<.
The problem is, as well, is that there exist techniques that can seal a person's energy up. Minato used a seal to break the flow of energy so that the nine tails was released from control, and Minato's master who is considered at most equal to Minato had shown several techniques to seal off energy and stuff, especially as it relates to demons. Note: I mean equal to him as a seal master. Minato was renowned in the Naruto world as being an expert sealer, as shown by his kunai, his barrier, and the seal that cost him his life.
It is very, very possible that Minato could seal Yusuke's demon energy, which would be a big problem for him.
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Yea, but he needs to touch Yusuke in order to seal his demon energy. I'm arguing that Yusuke is in fact faster than Minato at base speeds. Yusuke may be dumb outside of fighting, but he has shown the ability to come up with strategies on the fly in the midst of battles.
Even if he does happen to seal his demon energy up, Yusuke still is a very adequate fighter without it. Remember he switched quite frequently in the battle against Yomi to his spirit and demon energy, it just depended on what he needed to use.
Yusuke fought Yomi for 60 hours, he ran at top speed for 5 days straight, stamina goes to Yusuke by far.
Let's say Yusuke opens up with a straight charge, Minato seals his demon energy or his spirit energy, Yusuke may still do frontal charges but will switch it up, but that will just lead to a battle of stamina, and durability, not only does Minato probably not have a move that could kill Yusuke, I'm pretty sure he can tank his own blasts.
Urameshi and his two demon buddies were pushing DBZ levels at the end. Speed so fast you can't see them, punches so hard it shatters mountains, and so on. I'm pretty sure he's also tanked his own shot before, or at least blasts comparable.
Yusuke is a stamina machine, no one can keep going as long as he can. How long can Minato teleport without losing energy?
And he uses both kinds of energy. If he happens to get sealed while in close combat he'd just use it to his advantage and surprise him with his alternate source attack.
Minato. He's too fast, and he has perhaps the greatest reflexes in naruto. Not even the final villain could hit him. He has sealing techniques that seal a targets energy.. That could end it alone. His barrier negates all ranged attacks.. He's too smart as well.. He wins.
He can only seal one type of energy though....Like he was only able to seal Naruto's kyuubi chakra, and not Naruto's chakra, to delve into it deeper, I believe it was also stated he was only able to seal the Yin(might be yang I don't remember) chakra of the Kyuubi.
Yusuke is much like Naruto, he has two energy sources; demon, and spirit.
Nothing that Minato has shown makes him faster than Yusuke, other than his Flying Thunder God technique(the teleportation one).
Strength, speed, durability, stamina everything goes to Yusuke, outside of maybe smarts, but Yusukes intellect goes up quite a bit on the battle field. It's not just that, but his strength, and destructive ability, along with stamina and ability far exceeds anything Minato can do, even with the power of his Summons. The only thing that can be debatable is speed, but like I've said, nothing of Minato's base speed is even close to Yusuke(he travels several thousands KM's in the battle with Sensui in seconds, and this is what 3 years before the end series?), and it's just his Flying Thunder God technique along with his space time warp ability that gives the illusion of a fake speed.
So Minato's only real advantage is smarts, but even Yusuke isn't that stupid in the battle.
No he wasn't capable of sealing only one energy. He sealed his wife Kushina's chakra with Hakke seal. I am not talking about Shiki Fuujin. Hakke seal does not cost him his life. The databook actually states Hakke seal was used for sealing spirits as well. So it's very versatile, and would work.
Yea but what would that do? It wouldn't immobilize him. His strength is still 100+ ton level, his speed stays the same, the only thing that goes away is that he won't be able to blow up mountains with his spirit gun.
From: Sorozone | #027 Yea but what would that do? It wouldn't immobilize him. His strength is still 100+ ton level, his speed stays the same, the only thing that goes away is that he won't be able to blow up mountains with his spirit gun.
If he couldn't use his demonic energy he'd be a lot slower.
From: Natwaf_akidna | #029 Leaning Yusuke here if the speed thing is true, though I need to see some YYH speed feats first before I cast a final vote.
Honestly ... I don't think they are.
Someone said "DBZ levels" That is literally a lie. I've read the manga and watched every anime episode. To try to suggest that someone with teleport ability cannot get the jump on Yusuke is stupid.
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If he couldn't use his demonic energy he'd be a lot slower.
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Honestly ... I don't think they are.
Someone said "DBZ levels" That is literally a lie. I've read the manga and watched every anime episode. To try to suggest that someone with teleport ability cannot get the jump on Yusuke is stupid.
He means DBZ flight, not instant transmission. Don't know how true it is anyway, though.
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From: KanzarisKelshen | #031 He means DBZ flight, not instant transmission. Don't know how true it is anyway, though.
Not true at all. 'DBZ levels' gives a certain impression. Not on that level.
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Even though I've been arguing for Minato it isn't as if I am ignorant about Urameshi at all. YYHis one of my favorite anime, I actually like it more than I do Naruto, and Urameshi is awesome. It is just that Urameshi's fighting style will do him an extreme disservice here. He can get arrogant, he will probably laugh at Minato throwing kunai all around and him 'missing' some of them. People who have voted are ignorant of the type of sealing Minato can do. I mean Naruto twitch reflex speed is pretty high up there considering all of the different techniques and special abilities used in the series and Minato was faster than everyone. He could throw a kunai, Yusuke could let it go past him, and Minato could have a seal on Yusuke's back with a single touch. That's how fast seals work.
And if you don't think Yusuke is a different fighter demon compared to human I just don't know what to say. Disrupting energy is never a good thing for Yusuke. It also maims his stamina.
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Oh no doubt with his demon blood activated he is in a different league, but is Minato even in the league of the same as human Yusuke? I don't think so.
I keep up with Naruto, I've read and watched YYH as well. I just don't think Minato compares at all Yusuke. He literally has no strength, it is very miniscule to that of Yusuke, I just don't see how Minato could kill or defeat Yusuke, even if he can redirect blasts that Yusuke shot, he can tank them.
Oh and YYH isn't DBZ speed, YYH at most is past hypersonic, but not quite past instantaneous movement like DBZ is, and how do we know sealing his spirit or demon energy would maim his stamina? Naruto arguably has the most stamina in anyone in Naruto, and while the seal made it harder for him to control his chakra, he still could function pretty damn well.
And I'd say Yusuke stamina is far superior to that of Narutos.
Uh, what. Naruto was barely functional with that seal on him during the Chuunin exams. Don't you remember how much he struggled?
Also I know it would maim his stamina because I remember human Yusuke vs Demon Yusuke. Human Yusuke just doesn't have the juice.
And I'd majorly disagree with that stamina statement. Majorly. Naruto's stamina far outshines Yusuke's in human form.
Also I know this is a bit 'not seen', but Minato was a wind user and wind can be used on blades and stuff to heavily increase their cutting power. Minato doesn't need "power" in a traditional sense when he can cut through things like that and that has been shown to be effective, especially because Minato has the speed and tactics to get in blind side shots on Yusuke.
I mean Minato is fast enough to be multiple places in the same second that's just speed in a one on one fight that Yusuke doesn't see a lot.
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That's halfway through YYH. End series Yusuke is EASILY faster than that.
Excuse me for not being impressed with the guy not noticing his arm is gone.
Also Minato would have taken his head in the same amount of time <_<.
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Also, those scans posted didn't look like anything beyond anything YYH has done. And Yusuke has seen/fought dozens of enemies with weird gimmicks and techniques, and he's proven to be surprisingly resourceful in fights (sticking a glowing cigarette butt into a guy's belt so he can see where he is in total darkness, using his spirit gun to rocket propel Kuwabara, using his wet t-shirt as an effective weapon, etc).
From: GenesisTwilight | #038 Also, those scans posted didn't look like anything beyond anything YYH has done. And Yusuke has seen/fought dozens of enemies with weird gimmicks and techniques, and he's proven to be surprisingly resourceful in fights (sticking a glowing cigarette butt into a guy's belt so he can see where he is in total darkness, using his spirit gun to rocket propel Kuwabara, using his wet t-shirt as an effective weapon, etc).
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Okay what does any of that have to do with this fight. Like Minato isn't really a gimmick fighter. He does seals, he does speed, he is brutally efficient. I mean you act as if this is some kind of trickery. In fact Minato is probably the least trickery person in terms of BS I've seen in Manga in awhile. Very simple, but very, very sneaky.
I mean you post a dumb video that's not impressive and then you act like instant teleporting was done all the time in YYH.
Well vote how you want I guess, I just seem to remember a different manga/anime than you which is funny.
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From: Achromatic | #035 Also I know it would maim his stamina because I remember human Yusuke vs Demon Yusuke. Human Yusuke just doesn't have the juice.
And I'd majorly disagree with that stamina statement. Majorly. Naruto's stamina far outshines Yusuke's in human form.
Yea but human Yusuke was fighting an opponent that was probably 100x(a bit exaggerated) stronger than him(Sensui). What Sensui did to human Yusuke is what Awakened(Raizen) demon did to Sensui, are you going to say Sensui has no stamina?
From: Achromatic | #037 Excuse me for not being impressed with the guy not noticing his arm is gone.
Also Minato would have taken his head in the same amount of time <_<.
That's the problem, Minato wouldn't improve from that feat. Yusuke goes far and beyond of what Hei did there. Yusuke can start with a frontal charge at full speed and would win rather easily, kunais are useless, remember sniper? If he threw one and teleported then teleported too, I'd expect Yusuke to counter that rather easily and Minato is done.
From: Achromatic | #039 Okay what does any of that have to do with this fight. Like Minato isn't really a gimmick fighter. He does seals, he does speed, he is brutally efficient. I mean you act as if this is some kind of trickery. In fact Minato is probably the least trickery person in terms of BS I've seen in Manga in awhile. Very simple, but very, very sneaky.
You yourself said that Yusuke would probably just stand and laugh at seeing Minato "miss" with his kunais. I'm saying that Yusuke has fought enough weird stuff that he'd never fall for something like that.
Yea but human Yusuke was fighting an opponent that was probably 100x(a bit exaggerated) stronger than him(Sensui). What Sensui did to human Yusuke is what Awakened(Raizen) demon did to Sensui, are you going to say Sensui has no stamina?
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That's the problem, Minato wouldn't improve from that feat. Yusuke goes far and beyond of what Hei did there. Yusuke can start with a frontal charge at full speed and would win rather easily, kunais are useless, remember sniper? If he threw one and teleported then teleported too, I'd expect Yusuke to counter that rather easily and Minato us done.
I don't get the first argument. <_<. That's just a weird comparison to make to bring Sensui into this.
Minato also wouldn't need to really... improve on it. Instantly beheading someone is a good feat. Would you like him to add fireworks? O_o.
I mean I am sorry but I can't see Yusuke just charging in first second without saying a word. Really? <_<
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From: GenesisTwilight | #042 You yourself said that Yusuke would probably just stand and laugh at seeing Minato "miss" with his kunais. I'm saying that Yusuke has fought enough weird stuff that he'd never fall for something like that.
It's not about 'falling' for it. It's about him underestimating his opponent. Which he has done before. If Minato threw a kunai, Yusuke dodged, Yusuke has no forewarning that Minato can appear behind him.
As an aside man the Naruto anime is so behind. I wanted to show off glorious Minato backstory.
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From: Achromatic | #043 I don't get the first argument. <_<. That's just a weird comparison to make to bring Sensui into this.
I'm saying his stamina looks bad because he got a beating by a far superior opponent. When in reality, it probably is great, I mean really what did he do before Sensui? Warm up battle in the city. probably rode a bicycle 100 miles going 60MPH the whole way on it, ran another who knows how many miles running from Sniper, then to top it off fought Sensui for a long ass time(and he got shot like 5-6 times too). Human Yusuke's stamina just looks bad, because he got his ass beaten, and Minato is no where near on Sensui's level.
Minato also wouldn't need to really... improve on it. Instantly beheading someone is a good feat. Would you like him to add fireworks? O_o.
That's no what I'm saying, I'm saying that feat isn't impressive compared to end series Yusuke. It's cool that Minato can do the same thing that Hei did, but not really, when compared to end series Yusuke, when he can do so much more.
I mean I am sorry but I can't see Yusuke just charging in first second without saying a word. Really? <_<
Ok. Then will Minato finish Yusuke off if he has him in a bind? Or give him a few words of advice? Goes both ways.
I'm saying his stamina looks bad because he got a beating by a far superior opponent. When in reality, it probably is great, I mean really what did he do before Sensui? Warm up battle in the city. probably rode a bicycle 100 miles going 60MPH the whole way on it, ran another who knows how many miles running from Sniper, then to top it off fought Sensui for a long ass time(and he got shot like 5-6 times too). Human Yusuke's stamina just looks bad, because he got his ass beaten, and Minato is no where near on Sensui's level.
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That's no what I'm saying, I'm saying that feat isn't impressive compared to end series Yusuke. It's cool that Minato can do the same thing that Hei did, but not really, when compared to end series Yusuke, when he can do so much more.
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Ok. Then will Minato finish Yusuke off if he has him in a bind? Or give him a few words of advice? Goes both ways.
First that is a false premise. I was shown a video, I am merely saying Minato could do at least the same. I didn't say he couldn't do better, but someone said that it was better than Minato. I disagreed.
Uh, Minato will absolutely kill an opponent without mercy if he has to. Like I think the only time Minato is shown taking it at all easy is during a recent flashback because he liked a ninja and there was no need to escalate the situation. Minato is a stone cold killer, and there are thousands of body bags to prove that.
Also I was comparing human Yusuke to demon Yusuke in stamina. I wasn't calling it bad but he isn't lasting 3 days as human Yusuke is what I am saying.
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From: Achromatic | #047 Uh, Minato will absolutely kill an opponent without mercy if he has to. Like I think the only time Minato is shown taking it at all easy is during a recent flashback because he liked a ninja and there was no need to escalate the situation. Minato is a stone cold killer, and there are thousands of body bags to prove that.
Well, even if Yusuke does talk at the beginning, I still see nothing that could kill Yusuke. Kunai's I'm convinced would do nothing to Yusuke, just because of the bit he had with Sniper. If he did happen to get behind Yusuke, I'm pretty damn sure Yusuke could easily counter.
Yusuke can play it reckless and arrogantly and still survive. Minato has shown me nothing that he can compete with Human Yusuke, because you also have to remember that technically speaking, he was still training his human side too for those 3 years before the demon tournament.
Essentially I'm saying is that the best opponent we have seen Minato beat is A(Raikage? I don't really remember early Minato scenes), and well, he just doesn't compare to anyone in YYH. We haven't seen some super strong super bad guys that Minato has defeated, while in YYH we have seen that, so we have to base it off his techniques, and while good ones, I just don't think he has enough to beat Yusuke.
Edit: Unless you want to count Madara....but, that really wasn't a 'fight'.
You mean aside from the fact that if Madara had defeated Minato there all of his plans would have succeeded that night and he was so outclassed that he ran away like a scared little girl because Minato was maiming him so much.
But yeah not really a fight <_<.
edit: Mind you I know where you are coming from, Yusuke is strong can't deny that. We are arguing over Luke fodder as is.
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Oops. Well when I say DBZ levels I mean early DBZ, because I'm pretty sure Yusuke and the demons he beat could destroy huge sections of land and they were even using that little blur movement thing that DBZ uses at the end. Hiei was already insanely fast in his appearance and Yusuke still beat him when Hiei was way faster than him at that time. Now Yusuke is incomparably faster than Hiei was then.
