Board 8 > chrono cross is a criminally underrated game

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gets way too much hate, it's every bit as much a classic as anything else square made during that era

criminally

really

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criminally

really

given the vitriolic hate this game receives, yes.

No, it's not, man. Come on, now... The storytelling was abysmal, barely anything happened for 80% of the game and EVERYTHING was crammed into the last 20%. It gets to a point when you just don't care much or feel attached at all anymore. Don't get me started on the countless USELESS characters, the stupid element allocation system, etc., etc.

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Criminally indeed, science has proven that those who don't like Chrono Cross are often a danger to themselves and others.

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Chrono Cross has a smaller-than-its-predecessor-by-far but nonetheless rabid little fanbase that dwarfs the fanbases of many other games.

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Liquid Wind, you seem to forget B8 is full of whiners/people who feel the need to hate popular things.

Chrono Cross is almost universally acclaimed by critics, and rightfully so.

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I'm not sure what Vlado is talkin about. I mean, yea, the plot text dumps at the end of the game were unforgivable, and the rectons in CTDS create plotholes, but the plot progression was still really good, convolutedness aside >_>

The plotholes and the text dump can be fixed with a remake\port!

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Well, the graphics and soundtrack are top notch at least.

The ending is almost offensive. Pseudo-philosophical monologue that literally delves into the realm of spermatozoa on one occasion followed by same-for-everyone single lines from your two companions and topped off with a woman in a city.

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Actually the ending is the one time companion characters don't have the same lines no matter what!

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The storytelling was abysmal, barely anything happened for 80% of the game and EVERYTHING was crammed into the last 20%

like I said, it's what you would expect from a mid 90s - early 2000s square game. juvenile storytelling that is wrought with mechanical flaws? yes. imaginative world with some of the best art direction of its era? yes.

the stupid element allocation system

it was less of a pain for me than most final fantasy games, chrono cross has one of the better battle/skill systems overall really.

WazzupGenius00 posted...
Actually the ending is the one time companion characters don't have the same lines no matter what!

Really? Flunked that quiz, I suppose.

The rest still stands though. I think.

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Not that I don't understand the complaints

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chrono cross definitely has flaws, I'm not saying it's a perfect game by any stretch of the imagination...I just don't see it as significantly worse than other games that are more well loved, it's right in the same category as FFVII-IX, tactics, and parasite eve for me

Liquid Wind posted...
chrono cross definitely has flaws, I'm not saying it's a perfect game by any stretch of the imagination...I just don't see it as significantly worse than other games that are more well loved, it's right in the same category as FFVII-IX for me

For what it's worth Chrono Cross is a 7.5 game for me. Its strengths are unstoppable. The problems I have with it mean it's firmly in the realm of three-star experience overall though.

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I guess the other thing for me is that gaming is more about the experiences than writing, I can tolerate a somewhat questionable plot if the game really sucks me into its world. a lot of times a very minimal plot like ICO, SotC, or super metroid may even be ideal although I also can appreciate the more heavy handed traditional approach of people like kojima or pretty much everyone that works at square. although it is jarringly different from chrono trigger, I love the mystical oceanic world of el nido

It's a cool world.

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Liquid Wind posted...
I guess the other thing for me is that gaming is more about the experiences than writing, I can tolerate a somewhat questionable plot if the game really sucks me into its world. a lot of times a very minimal plot like ICO, SotC, or super metroid may even be ideal although I also can appreciate the more heavy handed traditional approach of people like kojima or pretty much everyone that works at square. although it is jarringly different from chrono trigger, I love the mystical oceanic world of el nido

This might have worked out for CC if they had actually stuck to this approach the whole way through, instead of giving us that ridiculous plot dump at the end.

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It's FFX lite, except it sucked ass compared to FFX.

From: Liquid Wind | #001
it's every bit as much a classic as anything else square made during that era

I like Chrono Cross, but this is just LOL

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From: BIGPUN9999 | #009
and the rectons in CTDS create plotholes

Huh? I can't remember any aside from the whole Magus/Guile thing.

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From: SHINE GET 64 | #023
I like 3D Zelda games

they're better than Chrono Cross

LMS is that you?

It's FFX lite, except it sucked ass compared to FFX.

I wouldn't say that but I do like square's ocean/tropical set games! spira is probably my favorite of the worlds square has created, it was like...if FFVII maintained the level of atmosphere of midgar throughout its entiretey

I like Chrono Cross, but this is just LOL

you love FFVIII, which literally has the same strengths and downfalls as chrono cross with the exception of not having a ton of interchangeable characters, I reject your mocking gesture!

From: Vlado | #005
No, it's not, man.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man.

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From: Liquid Wind | #027
which literally has the same strengths and downfalls as chrono cross

No, it literally doesn't.

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Liquid Wind posted...
gets way too much hate, it's every bit as much a classic as anything else square made during that era

Agreed, if not more so. That game is perfection.

Chrono Cross, Final Fantasy 7&8, Suikoden II and FFT are the best games of all time.

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no love for FFIX? I can't stand playing it anymore because of the slow battle speed and load times but otherwise I think that was a good game, really square was very consistent between FFVI-X IMO

SuarezYNWA posted...
Liquid Wind posted...
gets way too much hate, it's every bit as much a classic as anything else square made during that era

Agreed, if not more so. That game is perfection.

Chrono Cross, Final Fantasy 7&8, Suikoden II and FFT are the best games of all time.

You have two of my top five in there. Nice going.

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Liquid Wind posted...
no love for FFIX? I can't stand playing it anymore because of the slow battle speed and load times but otherwise I think that was a good game, really square was very consistent between FFVI-X IMO

I would go as far as to say they were very consistently good from 1992 through 2002.

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I really liked CC for most of the game- the story at the end weakened my experience at the end, it was kind of nonsensical from what I remember....but the battle system, music, world, etc were all really cool. I like it a lot.

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like I said, it's what you would expect from a mid 90s - early 2000s square game. juvenile storytelling that is wrought with mechanical flaws? yes.

Except Final Fantasy VII and Xenogears did an excellent job at telling their stories, and came out earlier in the same era.

imaginative world with some of the best art direction of its era? yes.

I have to agree here, but it's a shame they didn't do a better job with it.

it was less of a pain for me than most final fantasy games, chrono cross has one of the better battle/skill systems overall really.

Really? It took me ages to set up the elements properly (I suppose I could have just used auto-allocate, but that just gave stupid results that weren't close to what I wanted)... The battles were really damn slow. I agree the battle system had some potential, but it just wasn't done all that well.

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Chrono Cross love? Alright!

Pretty much one of my favorites of all time!
Though I feel no one's mentioning how the battle system is way beyond any turn based system of it's time.

Nevermind they mentioned it.

I tended to autoallocate and then just edit.

Except Final Fantasy VII and Xenogears did an excellent job at telling their stories, and came out earlier in the same era.

Add FFT into the fold and you have the glorious triumvirate of Square games that both tried and succeeded at telling a good story.

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From: pjbasis | #036
Though I feel no one's mentioning how the battle system is way beyond any turn based system of it's time.

Element system sucked.

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Element system sucked.

drawing however was clearly an excellent idea

From: Liquid Wind | #040
Element system sucked.

drawing however was clearly an excellent idea

Drawing however was clearly totally optional and not even optimal.

People love bringing up drawing like you have to do it.

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Aw man I love Final Fantasy VIII too don't do this guys :(

Liquid Wind posted...
Element system sucked.

drawing however was clearly an excellent idea

lol

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Jeff Zero posted...
Except Final Fantasy VII and Xenogears did an excellent job at telling their stories, and came out earlier in the same era.

Add FFT into the fold and you have the glorious triumvirate of Square games that both tried and succeeded at telling a good story.

Agreed. I would also add Chrono Trigger (of course, its story is somewhat simpler, but it does belong in the group).

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pjbasis posted...
Aw man I love Final Fantasy VIII too don't do this guys :(

You should have known this would not last forever, FFX-hater!

>_>

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chrono cross best game

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Jeff Zero posted...
Except Final Fantasy VII and Xenogears did an excellent job at telling their stories, and came out earlier in the same era.

Add FFT into the fold and you have the glorious triumvirate of Square games that both tried and succeeded at telling a good story.

In terms of game stories:

Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy 7
Chrono Cross
Suikoden II
Final Fantasy 8

It would be hard for me to rank everything though with character development, emotional attachment, music, gameplay...etc. All five are such spectacular games in their own ways.

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Vlado posted...
Jeff Zero posted...
Except Final Fantasy VII and Xenogears did an excellent job at telling their stories, and came out earlier in the same era.

Add FFT into the fold and you have the glorious triumvirate of Square games that both tried and succeeded at telling a good story.

Agreed. I would also add Chrono Trigger (of course, its story is somewhat simpler, but it does belong in the group).

Yes, simpler (and intentionally so) though it may be, it's nevertheless a very emotionally-charged game with multiple story turns (a concept SE seems unaware of these days and a crucial element in crafting an engaging narrative) and a satisfying resolution.

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http://www.gamespot.com/ps/rpg/chronocross/review.html?tag=summary%3Bread-review

http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/thelegendofzelda/review.html?tag=summary%3Bread-review

What's up

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suikoden II is at a whole other level above chrono cross and the final fantasies