Board 8 > Most Powerful Fictional Character 2011: Jack Rakan vs. Hakumen [MPFC]

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Panthera
09/14/11 3:23:00 PM
#1:


Hakumen because he operates at a fraction of his power power

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Jeff Zero
09/14/11 3:24:00 PM
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Oh geez, I totally forgot to vote yesterday. I was monitoring the argument for a long time. (I would have gone Yusuke in the end I think.)

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KanzarisKelshen
09/14/11 3:24:00 PM
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After a rough start, Yusuke Urameshi persevered and defeated Minato Namikaze in a low-scoring slugfest. He will face Luke Skywalker in Round 2! Votals: 9-5.

(1) Jack Rakan
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From Mahou Sensei Negima, Jack Rakan is a laid-back yet powerful fighter. One of the few capable of taking on the legendary mage Nagi Springfield on equal footing, Rakan is a skilled hand-to-hand fighter with excellent physical durability and magical resistance, able to react to lightning-fast movements with years of experience; he is able to reverse the tide of battle while being pummeled simply by studying his opponent's attack. He can activate a defensive aura of magic that increases his durability, speed, and power; he can also dispel the defenses of a magical barrier with his hand.

Rakan's skill “The Man with a Thousand Faces” can create numerous bladed weapons that Rakan can instantly change on a whim, including a building-sized sword and numerous small blades; he can also charge energy into the weapons, use the weapons to parry attacks, and copy any type of weapon he wants. His Warship Breaker move charges up a building-sized sword with energy and hurls it at a target at hypersonic speeds. Rakan can also use his Hypersonic Halberd technique to create an explosion of roughly 300m. He can also exorcise spirits by attacking the soul directly.


(8) Hakumen
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From Blazblue, Hakumen is one of the legendary Six Heroes who sealed the Black Beast, a powerful monster. Armed with the sword Ookami, which can kill immortals and stop regeneration, and clad in the Susano'o Unit, which gives him nearly limitless stamina and power, he is a terror on the battlefield, recognized as being far above most of his allies and enemies even while operating at a fraction of his full power.

Hakumen's specialty is counterattacking: he is equipped with a large array of techniques that enable him to take an enemy's blows and projectiles and reflect them back at him, or nullify them outright. Particularly notable among these is the Fumajin, which uses projectiles launched by an enemy to create an energy concentration, which stops all other attacks that pass through it and damages those who come into contact with it.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
09/14/11 3:24:00 PM
#4:


Do we actually know how strong Hakumen is at 100%?

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KanzarisKelshen
09/14/11 3:25:00 PM
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Funny you should mention it, because I'm currently operating at the full power of my facedesking. Fix'd.

Also, just for the record, allow me to remind everyone that Hakumen does NOT have access to any gameplay mechanics. His own moves are OK for the most part, even the Astral Heat, but he can't Faultless Defense or Burst. Just in case anyone's unsure about it.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/14/11 3:26:00 PM
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From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #004
Do we actually know how strong Hakumen is at 100%?


I sure don't, as I do not play Blazblue. The game's fans can chime in and clarify that. If it turns out full power Hakumen has no showings or is very ???? we'll use the next best version, same as we've done with Arcueid.

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Team Rocket Elite
09/14/11 3:37:00 PM
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***Negima spoilers***
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Here's some more stuff on Rakan:

Rakan is fast enough to chase down a person moving at 150km/s (Mach 441). After Negi activated his ability to move at Mach 441, Rakan closed a gap of around 50m and punched Negi. Negi ran to the other side of the arena and as soon as he stops, Rakan is there and Negi barely dodges from an attack from the side. Negi runs again. As soon as he stops, Rakan is BEHIND Negi. Negi doesn't have time to dodge or block and Rakan nails Negi with a strong attack. Negi is left questioning if Rakan is still faster than him despite moving at Mach 441. Rakan tell Negi that Negi's ability telegraphs where Negi is going to go but it still takes a ton of raw speed to actually capitalize on this.

Rakan was fighting a person named Kagetarou. Kagetarou uses spear like ribbons that can change direction in midair and effortlessly cut buildings in half. Kagetarou sent a ribbon aimed at Rakan's head. Rakan easily catches it with two fingers.

Rakan's spell "Eternal Negi Fever" emits a beam of light that comes out of his entire body. It's powerful enough to destroy a large hill in the background.

Negi has a spell called "Thousand Thunderbolts" that was capable of destroying about 60% of a large floating boulder that is about 100m in length while the spell was incomplete. Negi trains for a month after this feat before fighting Rakan. Despite being able to do this, during the fight Negi says his own person level of power still isn't enough to beat Rakan.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
09/14/11 3:42:00 PM
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Only thing I can remember of 100% Hak is that he was the one who mostly beat the black beast.

And Black Beast is supposedly = Mu according to Hazama, so that don't bode well for Hak here.

Im leaning Jack unless someone wants to correct me on any of this, do so.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/14/11 3:45:00 PM
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From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #008
Only thing I can remember of 100% Hak is that he was the one who mostly beat the black beast.

And Black Beast is supposedly = Mu according to Hazama, so that don't bode well for Hak here.

I leaning Jack unless someone wants to correct me on any of this, do so.


The Black Beast is Ragna + Nu. Not Mu-12.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
09/14/11 3:47:00 PM
#10:


Meant powerwise.

Hazama basically Says Mu is the Black Beast done right.

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Pirateking2000
09/14/11 4:55:00 PM
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Team Rocket Elite
09/14/11 4:57:00 PM
#12:


Anyone have anything to say about what Hakuman can do? I can answer most things about Rakan if anything is unclear.

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Pirateking2000
09/14/11 5:14:00 PM
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interest bump

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GANON1025
09/14/11 5:17:00 PM
#14:


I've only played BB, and I have no real experience with Negima, but I'm leaning Rakan. Hakumen really doesn't impress me in-gameplay, and 100% power isn't going to change how slow he is in battle.

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Natwaf_akidna
09/14/11 5:28:00 PM
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So.... can Hakumen null/reflect the Warship Breaker?

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Shoenin_Kakashi
09/14/11 5:45:00 PM
#16:


Basically Hakumen's slashes hurt, a lot. He's also faster when he's stronger.

How fast he is at 100 is uknown unless someone actually knows. Doubt he's near Rakan's speed on whats stated, I dont even think Bang reaches that speed.

Id figure he'd clash his sword with Warship Breaker, but thats just Me. Jack Rakan probably beats him everywhere else.

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Pirateking2000
09/14/11 6:31:00 PM
#17:


gameplay / going to change how slow he is in battle.


lol Boss Haku in CS could technically be seen as the fastest in game lmao (depending on how he is played)

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GANON1025
09/14/11 6:32:00 PM
#18:


Hakumen is pretty much the Q of BlazBlue, he's so slow.

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Pirateking2000
09/14/11 6:33:00 PM
#19:


^ Infinite super invincibility dash ftw?

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GANON1025
09/14/11 6:34:00 PM
#20:


Well OK, it's not that Hakumen is slow, but he's not Mach 400+ or anything

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Pirateking2000
09/14/11 6:36:00 PM
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Dunno about machs etc (mach 400 being compared to something) but Haku casually dodges lightning at 20% power so....

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Pirateking2000
09/14/11 6:44:00 PM
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pikapika212
09/14/11 6:44:00 PM
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If I remmber correctly, they had to use nukes, a crap load of them against the black beast. The thing was, the black beast was unaffected by the nukes.
Prettty much, it took Hakumen, Platinum the Trinity, Valkenhyne, Terumi (Hazama), Nine, Jubei and Ragna the Blood Edge to fight the black beast, Ragna sacrificing himself to stop the Black beast movement

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Pirateking2000
09/14/11 6:46:00 PM
#24:


^ I believe Jubei worded it

"Using all the nukes they had at the Black Beast was like tossing tiny pebbles at a bear"

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pikapika212
09/14/11 6:52:00 PM
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Yea, something like so.
I don't really remember or it was just random online reading about CS ending 2 years ago.
Didn't Hakumen cut through time or something?

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Pirateking2000
09/14/11 6:54:00 PM
#26:


Yes he cut through Time / Space / Dimension with a technique of his (again while not even near his full power)

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Team Rocket Elite
09/14/11 6:56:00 PM
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***Negima spoilers***
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Rakan doesn't move at Mach 441. I should have said this with the other stuff. The reason Rakan is able to chase down Negi (the person moving at Mach 441) is because Negi's movements were telegraphed. Rakan could tell which direction Negi was going to be moving in before they actually started moving. When Negi started fighting in close quarters to reduce the disadvantage of movements being telegraphed, Rakan was no longer able to hit Negi. Negi was definitely at risk of being hit if he messed up while fighting at that range, though.

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pikapika212
09/14/11 6:57:00 PM
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Hmmmmm
Jack is much faster, but Hakumen at 100% would mostly likely be unfazed by Jacks attack, Im guessing.

Hmmmmmm

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GANON1025
09/14/11 6:59:00 PM
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Maybe I am underestimating Hakumen I bit too much.

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Team Rocket Elite
09/14/11 7:03:00 PM
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How tanky is Hakumen? Attacks from building sized swords won't faze him?

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pikapika212
09/14/11 7:18:00 PM
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Im just gonna guess that Hakumen would be able to cut through those building size swords. If was able to damage the black beast, he should be able to those swords with ease at 100%, unless the sword were unbreakable or something, I haven't read negima for a long time, i got lazy around chapter 30-60? I do however skim random future chapters randomly, isn't negima ending soon or so?

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Pirateking2000
09/14/11 7:21:00 PM
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^ Well Hakumen slices through a HUUUGE blast door without even trying (again while weakened) so theres that.

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Team Rocket Elite
09/14/11 7:22:00 PM
#33:


The swords are just really large swords Rakan can summon. They don't have any particularly special property. The latest Negima arc just ended a few chapters ago so we are kinda in between arcs right now. The next arc is supposed to be the last one but that still probably means at least a 100 more chapters to go.

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pikapika212
09/14/11 7:26:00 PM
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Yea, my memory on blazblue is meh. The fact that I'm too lazy to finish both storyline of CT and CS doesn't help, I just know random bits of info.
Has the blazblue phase Zero been translated yet? If it is, it could help with Hakumen's case.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
09/14/11 7:49:00 PM
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Not that I know of.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
09/14/11 7:52:00 PM
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How tanky is Hakumen? Attacks from building sized swords won't faze him?

Warship Breaker would hurt if it hit.

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Pirateking2000
09/14/11 8:09:00 PM
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Pirateking2000
09/14/11 8:10:00 PM
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lol caught up in the zombies vs vampires rofl

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Pirateking2000
09/14/11 8:39:00 PM
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phase 0 is that novel about Bloodedge isn't it? (I think there are two novels / short stories or whatever)

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Pirateking2000
09/14/11 9:34:00 PM
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battle bump

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pikapika212
09/14/11 9:40:00 PM
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yea, it's about bloodedge.
Though, im not sure even there is more than 1 volume, basically, Nu fuses with Ragna fake azure grimoire I think and becomes the black beast by herself.
Ragna loses all his memory and has random memories like jubei and the rabbit. Jubei is not called Jubei but has another name. Basically some other random things, there is a manga of phase zero but only 1 chapter so far, or afaik.

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Pirateking2000
09/15/11 8:43:00 AM
#42:


Welp <This starts blasting in topic>



I'm going with

The White Void, The Cold Steel, The Just Sword!

I'M GOING WITH HAKUMEN! THE END HAS COME!!!!!!

<hakumen infinity reality earthquake>

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Pram_the_Oracle
09/15/11 8:44:00 AM
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Well, can't go wrong with my man Rakan.

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Pirateking2000
09/15/11 8:48:00 AM
#44:


yea, it's about bloodedge.
Though, im not sure even there is more than 1 volume, basically, Nu fuses with Ragna fake azure grimoire I think and becomes the black beast by herself.
Ragna loses all his memory and has random memories like jubei and the rabbit. Jubei is not called Jubei but has another name. Basically some other random things, there is a manga of phase zero but only 1 chapter so far, or afaik.


oh yeah then the other novel thing must have been about Hazama and Relius I think.

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09/15/11 9:48:00 AM
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GANON1025
09/15/11 10:08:00 AM
#46:


Rakan

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pikapika212
09/15/11 10:14:00 AM
#47:


Ill go with Hakumen

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Pirateking2000
09/15/11 10:15:00 AM
#48:


bah there needs to be more discussion

Hakumen would just Akumetsu Rakan

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Pirateking2000
09/15/11 10:23:00 AM
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Has Rakan been shown to resist god mode level reality manipulation / phenomena manipulation?

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Pirateking2000
09/15/11 10:31:00 AM
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?

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