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swirIdude
09/17/11 9:42:00 PM
#101:


You're never going to understand.

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LinkMarioSamus
09/17/11 9:44:00 PM
#102:


EDIT: You know what, whatever. I give up.

Galaxy destroying MGS3 like that is kinda weird though seeing how I've seen that result reversed in B8 contests before, but I digress.

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charmander6000
09/17/11 9:45:00 PM
#103:


Does anyone think a Mario game would be second favourite to win the contest (after Chrono Trigger) or does the prospect of having 4 Mario games in the quarterfinals cause them to get anti-voted? I feel that despite being ranked number 2 few people would consider RE4 to win a CT-less bracket. After that we have Pokemon RBY and Melee (as long as it avoids Brawl) that could be considered second favourite.

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swirIdude
09/17/11 9:46:00 PM
#104:


Galaxy destroying MGS3 like that is kinda weird though seeing how I've seen that result reversed in B8 contests before, but I digress.

Those contests are inferior and cede relevance to us.

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LinkMarioSamus
09/17/11 9:47:00 PM
#105:


As far as this specific contest is going, all five of the big Marios have some embarrasing loss (except for SMW, but that looks like it's the weakest of the five based solely on inter-series matchups!), while RE4 has blown away everything it has faced (aside from Wind Waker in week 2, whatever).

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swirIdude
09/17/11 9:47:00 PM
#106:


charmander6000 posted...
Does anyone think a Mario game would be second favourite to win the contest (after Chrono Trigger) or does the prospect of having 4 Mario games in the quarterfinals cause them to get anti-voted? I feel that despite being ranked number 2 few people would consider RE4 to win a CT-less bracket. After that we have Pokemon RBY and Melee (as long as it avoids Brawl) that could be considered second favourite.

It's too bad we didn't get to see RE4 against those title contending Marios and Pokemon, etc. We got it against Galaxy, but it's hard to gauge whether Galaxy is on the same level in terms of contending for a title.

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LinkMarioSamus
09/17/11 9:48:00 PM
#107:


swirIdude posted...
Galaxy destroying MGS3 like that is kinda weird though seeing how I've seen that result reversed in B8 contests before, but I digress.

Those contests are inferior and cede relevance to us.


Good then.

Galaxy crapping the bed like that against RE4 kinda floored me but both games are godly anyway so whatever.

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LinkMarioSamus
09/17/11 9:52:00 PM
#108:


swirIdude posted...
charmander6000 posted...
Does anyone think a Mario game would be second favourite to win the contest (after Chrono Trigger) or does the prospect of having 4 Mario games in the quarterfinals cause them to get anti-voted? I feel that despite being ranked number 2 few people would consider RE4 to win a CT-less bracket. After that we have Pokemon RBY and Melee (as long as it avoids Brawl) that could be considered second favourite.

It's too bad we didn't get to see RE4 against those title contending Marios and Pokemon, etc. We got it against Galaxy, but it's hard to gauge whether Galaxy is on the same level in terms of contending for a title.


Galaxy outperformed 64 against World, so it must obviously be on the same level.

Oh wait, Galaxy struggled with Paper Mario.

Oh wait, Paper Mario beat A Link to the Past.

Success!

Both CT and RE4 have kinda had weaker schedules than a lot of the games right below them, but they have IMO made up for it by blowing away all their big competition.

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charmander6000
09/17/11 9:57:00 PM
#109:


The overlapped fanbase is likely the case for RE4's strong win over Galaxy, plus I think people were a bit anti-Mario that time. Even if we assume all the Mario games to be equal I would give RE4 a better chance against the two Galaxy games than the other three Mario games.

As we've seen time and time again it does matter who your opponent is.

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LinkMarioSamus
09/17/11 10:08:00 PM
#110:


But...I prefer both Galaxies to RE4 and prefer all three of them to SM64 and SMW!

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swirIdude
09/17/11 10:18:00 PM
#111:


If individual opinions mattered, there's no way I'd allow CT to be the top game!

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LeonhartFour
09/17/11 10:32:00 PM
#112:


I think RE4 beating Galaxy 1 as soundly as it did proves it at least has a chance against the rest. Whether or not it would actually win is a different story.

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LinkMarioSamus
09/17/11 11:01:00 PM
#113:


swirIdude posted...
If individual opinions mattered, there's no way I'd allow CT to be the top game!

Well I was saying it in relation to the Galaxies supposedly having a fanbase that overlaps more with RE4's than the rest of the "big five".

Then again my favorite Nintendo game that doesn't have Mario in it is...yeah, I think you guys already know.

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LinkMarioSamus
09/18/11 12:43:00 AM
#114:


Okay, I just realized that Mario Galaxy is now the highest-ranked Nintendo game. So much for "lol Wii"!

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LeonhartFour
09/18/11 2:08:00 PM
#115:


Yesterday's results:

Resident Evil 2 (Smash Trigger Conference) (6-12) – 22 (55.00%)
Elite Beat Agents (Nintendo Objections Conference) (3-15) – 18 (45.00%)
--Leon Kennedy does not fear the beat.

#1 Chrono Trigger (Smash Trigger Conference) (18-0) – 33 (73.33%)
Animal Crossing (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (10-8) – 12 (26.67%)
--CT finishes its non-conference schedule unbeaten, and chances are good that conference play will go the same way.

Battletoads (Brawl for Broke Conference) (2-16) – 10 (23.81%)
#18 Tales of Symphonia (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (16-2) – 32 (76.19%)
--Symphonia blasts Battletoads in a laugher.

Mega Man 2 (Zelda Overload Conference) (12-6) – 16 (38.10%)
#20 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (Nintendo Objections Conference) (15-3) – 26 (61.90%)
--PW1 rebounds from last week's loss and increases MM2's skid to 4 in a row and 5 out of 6.

World of Warcraft (Fanservice Conference) (0-18) – 7 (17.50%)
Sonic Adventure (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (9-9) – 33 (82.50%)
--Sonic Adventure gets up to .500 with a blowout of World of Warcraft.

Hotel Dusk: Room 215 (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (4-14) – 11 (26.83%)
Sonic Adventure 2 (Sonic Overload Conference) (16-2) – 30 (73.17%)
--Yet another win over an opponent with a losing record for SA2.

Fallout 3 (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (12-6) – 21 (58.33%)
Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (Brawl for Broke Conference) (10-8) – 15 (41.67%)
--Fallout 3 beats Brotherhood in a low-scoring duel.

Team Fortress 2 (Brawl for Broke Conference) (7-11) – 17 (47.22%)
Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (5-13) – 19 (52.78%)
--Lufia II edges out Team Fortress 2 for the win.

Tales of Vesperia (Brawl for Broke Conference) (11-7) – 26 (70.27%)
The Secret of Monkey Island (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (10-8) – 11 (29.73%)
--Vesperia rocks Monkey Island as it tries to make its case for the tourney.

Gears of War (Sonic Overload Conference) (1-17) – 13 (33.33%)
Starcraft (Fanservice Conference) (11-7) – 26 (66.67%)
--LMS will probably complain that everyone hates Starcraft because it "only" doubled Gears of War.

#10 Metal Gear Solid (Zelda Overload Conference) (16-2) – 20 (47.62%)
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (15-3) – 22 (52.38%)
--Too bad Persona 4 won't be able to take advantage of bad weekend vote totals when conference play starts.

#21 Paper Mario (Games of the Decades Conference) (14-4) – 21 (48.84%)
Mega Man X (Fanservice Conference) – 22 (13-5) (51.16%) (OT, 13-10)
--MMX > Paper Mario > LTTP, looks about right.

Devil May Cry (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (4-14) – 26 (66.67%)
Max Payne (Games of the Decades Conference) (3-15) – 13 (33.33%)
--Dante brings the pain to Max Payne.

Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (10-8) – 17 (41.46%)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (13-5) – 24 (58.54%)
--DMC couldn't make it 2-for-2 today as DMC falls short against TP.

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vcharon
09/18/11 2:11:00 PM
#116:


Damn Leon, don't make up their forthcoming excuses for them so as not to rank Persona once again next week.

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LeonhartFour
09/18/11 2:13:00 PM
#117:


Called it.

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swirIdude
09/18/11 2:15:00 PM
#118:


He did call it.

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th3l3fty
09/18/11 2:18:00 PM
#119:


I forgot to vote because of the Bills

>_>

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vcharon
09/18/11 2:21:00 PM
#120:


I've been calling Persona since before calling Persona was cool.

Also, I prefer MGS to be honest. I voted Persona because I felt it was unjustly robbed of a position on the top 25. Normally it would have been a close match I'd have voted for MGS in, so yeah in a rematch things probably wouldn't go well for Persona.

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th3l3fty
09/18/11 2:25:00 PM
#121:


I'm still not going to vote for Persona 4!

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vcharon
09/18/11 2:26:00 PM
#122:


There's the logic that one can expect from "The Committee" I guess; can't wait to see that fair and balanced bracket!

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LeonhartFour
09/18/11 2:26:00 PM
#123:


Can't wait for vcharon to whine and whine and whine

Oh wait

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vcharon
09/18/11 2:28:00 PM
#124:


Yeah, let's take the side of the guy refusing to vote for a game that downs top 10 games two consecutive weeks so you can take a shot of "the whiner" vcharon. Classy.

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LeonhartFour
09/18/11 2:29:00 PM
#125:


I bash lefty for his top 25 polls on a weekly basis.

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LeonhartFour
09/18/11 2:30:00 PM
#126:


Also, there's a reason why it's a committee and not one person making the bracket. You can save your whining about how the bracket's going to be rigged or unfair because it's not going to happen.

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WarThaNemesis2
09/18/11 2:30:00 PM
#127:


I'm sorry that a 1-vote win over Banjo-Kazooie and Shadow Hearts and getting 60-40ed by Super Metroid isn't top 25-worthy to me just because of an obvious fluke win. It's nice to see you crap on me because of a guy who didn't even realize the committee exists though! And you wonder why I don't like you!

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swirIdude
09/18/11 2:31:00 PM
#128:


WarThaNemesis2 posted...
I'm sorry that a 1-vote win over Banjo-Kazooie and Shadow Hearts and getting 60-40ed by Super Metroid isn't top 25-worthy to me just because of an obvious fluke win. It's nice to see you crap on me because of a guy who didn't even realize the committee exists though! And you wonder why I don't like you!

TWO obvious fluke wins now, am I right?

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WarThaNemesis2
09/18/11 2:32:00 PM
#129:


Well it's a good thing I've been low on MGS1 for a while!

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WarThaNemesis2
09/18/11 2:34:00 PM
#130:


Oh right don't forget Chrono Cross is going to beat Chrono Trigger in rivalry week broskis.

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swirIdude
09/18/11 2:35:00 PM
#131:


RPI


1. Chrono Trigger (1) . . . . [1.022303]
2. Resident Evil 4 (2) . . . . [0.988048]
3. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (5) . . . . [0.933057]
4. Super Mario Galaxy (4) . . . . [0.931323]
5. Super Mario World (6) . . . . [0.929289]
6. Super Mario Bros. 3 (7) . . . . [0.925199]
7. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (8) . . . . [0.924887]
8. Super Mario 64 (9) . . . . [0.911539]
9. Final Fantasy IX (10) . . . . [0.904963]
10. Metal Gear Solid (3) . . . . [0.902643]
11. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (11) . . . . [0.899956]
12. Super Smash Bros. Melee (12) . . . . [0.898965]
13. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (17) . . . . [0.852247]
14. Final Fantasy VI (13) . . . . [0.851823]
15. Portal (15) . . . . [0.847129]
16. Tales of Symphonia (14) . . . . [0.845878]
17. Final Fantasy VII (16) . . . . [0.840507]
18. Final Fantasy X (20) . . . . [0.831365]
19. Mario Kart 64 (18) . . . . [0.831164]
20. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (19) . . . . [0.826995]
21. Half-Life 2 (22) . . . . [0.815105]
22. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (23) . . . . [0.812445]
23. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (24) . . . . [0.810476]
24. Okami (25) . . . . [0.800095]
25. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (26) . . . . [0.797719]
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 (32) . . . . [0.796590]
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (27) . . . . [0.796076]
Paper Mario (21) . . . . [0.790226]
Batman: Arkham Asylum (28) . . . . [0.789982]
Metroid Prime (29) . . . . [0.785939]

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LeonhartFour
09/18/11 2:35:00 PM
#132:


The RPI doesn't even recognize Persona 4 as a top 25 game

Case closed.

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WarThaNemesis2
09/18/11 2:37:00 PM
#133:


Obviously we should abandon the BCS method and only have the top 25 determined by the RPI.

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swirIdude
09/18/11 2:37:00 PM
#134:


Wait, isn't the RPI the BCS method?

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WarThaNemesis2
09/18/11 2:38:00 PM
#135:


No the BCS method is this 'new' method of having humans determine the top 25.

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swirIdude
09/18/11 2:39:00 PM
#136:


What? Why would we allow biased humans to have opinions? That ruins competition!

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vcharon
09/18/11 2:39:00 PM
#137:


Good case, coming from someone who makes a big deal of HL2 being in people's ranking lists weekly.

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LeonhartFour
09/18/11 2:41:00 PM
#138:


I make a big deal of HL2 being ranked 12th when it's borderline top 25 at best.

People want to rank HL2, go for it.

If you want to rank it borderline top 10 and ahead of games like Melee, you're going to get called out on it.

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vcharon
09/18/11 2:43:00 PM
#139:


There's no 100% perfect way to do this by the way, I'm well aware of that. But seeing someone with some sort of "authority" saying a 16-2 game is possibly outside the bubble is a bit worrisome. Granted that particular game has had a weak schedule, but all it can do is win the matches it is given in my opinion.

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charmander6000
09/18/11 2:43:00 PM
#140:


Persona 4 will probably be ranked, it almost got there with beating SMB3.

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swirIdude
09/18/11 2:45:00 PM
#141:


vcharon posted...
There's no 100% perfect way to do this by the way, I'm well aware of that. But seeing someone with some sort of "authority" saying a 16-2 game is possibly outside the bubble is a bit worrisome. Granted that particular game has had a weak schedule, but all it can do is win the matches it is given in my opinion.

SA2 is going to get in. It just won't get a high seed since it will have played no one. The Belmont of our tournament.

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WarThaNemesis2
09/18/11 2:45:00 PM
#142:


The more damning thing is that SA2 faced a fellow bubble team and got completely murdered.

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swirIdude
09/18/11 2:46:00 PM
#143:


By the way, War! Requests for you!

In honor of today's upset, let's see the resumes of Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 and its brother, Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3!

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WarThaNemesis2
09/18/11 2:49:00 PM
#144:


Persona 4

This is a worse nominee than MVP Baseball because at least KCF is endearing. Persona 4 isn't on the bubble. It isn't near the bubble.

Too Long, I'm An Ass Who Can't Shut Up About Dating Sims: IN

P3 coming up.

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WarThaNemesis2
09/18/11 2:50:00 PM
#145:


Also I no longer have last week's RPI, which will make this very difficult!

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LinkMarioSamus
09/18/11 4:50:00 PM
#146:


Wow Paper Mario loves losing overtime matches.

So what the heck happened to Paper Mario that it suddenly pulled off a near-upset of Galaxy, actually upset Link to the Past, and killed Super Metroid? Maybe...

...Paper Mario overperforms against Mario, Zelda, and Metroid!

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red sox 777
09/18/11 4:58:00 PM
#147:


That's like saying that Cloud underperforms against Link. It's a meaningless statement.

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Janus5000
09/18/11 5:46:00 PM
#148:


I'm sorry that a 1-vote win over Banjo-Kazooie and Shadow Hearts and getting 60-40ed by Super Metroid isn't top 25-worthy to me just because of an obvious fluke win.

All of those bad performances were in the first four weeks. Losing to Super Metroid wasn't actually bad then!

I'm waiting for Persona 4 to fluke second place in its conference.

I say second because The RE4 is going to at least 70-30 its entire conference. <3

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swirIdude
09/18/11 6:25:00 PM
#149:


Okami vs P4 is going to be a big match. Probably decides third place in the conference (FFIX can RPG SFF P4 if it needs to.)

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LeonhartFour
09/18/11 7:39:00 PM
#150:


The thing is that you have to be careful about ranking games based on the outliers.

Like these people who are still ranking Star Fox 64 apparently only because it lost by 1 in OT to R/B/Y 10 weeks ago. A 1 vote win over G/S/C or a 1 vote loss to R/B/Y, I wonder which is the outlier, hmm?

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