Board 8 > Most Powerful Fictional Character 2011: Rand al'Thor vs. Lord Voldemort [MPFC]

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KingButz
09/16/11 6:02:00 PM
#51:


Jesus Rand produces a mile wide wall of flames that destroys everything in its path. Callandor created an attack that would automatically seek out the enemy and reduced them to ash(or something like that). Rand's attacks don't require any physical gestures or incantations, giving him a huge speed advantage.

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Chrono1219
09/16/11 6:03:00 PM
#52:


He means "lol just finish off all the horocrux with a nuke"

Leaning Voldermort

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GenesisTwilight
09/16/11 6:07:00 PM
#54:


Yeah, if Voldemort is reduced to state like he was in the first Harry Potter book, I'd consider him defeated, horcruxes be damned.

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Kibago
09/16/11 6:15:00 PM
#55:


Voldemort - the strategy seems more straightforward to me. Apparition spam + Avada Kedavra is logical for him to pick and it would work. he doesn't need to do anything else (and if he did, he's not winning anyway)

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09/16/11 6:27:00 PM
#56:


Rand al'Thor

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Theon_Greyjoy
09/16/11 6:33:00 PM
#57:


Rand al'Thor pretty easily. Is power is much more impressive.

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red sox 777
09/16/11 6:44:00 PM
#59:


Rand al'Thor

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BlackMetalex
09/16/11 6:45:00 PM
#60:


going with Rand al'Thor I buy Avada Kedavra able to be blocked by his shields and it can easily be dodged, but I don't see how Voldemort can handle Rand al'Thor's offense.
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Chrono1219
09/16/11 6:48:00 PM
#61:


From: Ed Bellis | #258
Are you even taking Rand into account? The writeup for Rand indicates that Rand can erect defensive shields that can stop anything except Balefire, which is a lot more "powerful" in destructive capability than Avada Kedavra is. Is Rand just going to be standing there while Voldy spams spells at him? That seems to be what you're implying he'll do.


Are these like literal physical shields? Also, what speed can he do this at? Can he do it fast enough where he can counter Voldermorts teleportation and mind reading?

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Pirateking2000
09/16/11 6:49:00 PM
#62:


meh the way I see it Voldy could dodge Rand's shenanigans. Cause if people are going by this "good" Rand he won't be spamming Balefire <shrug> (or will he?)

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red sox 777
09/16/11 6:52:00 PM
#63:


The most common thing that happens in Wheel of Time in a duel between two channelers is that the stronger one will cut off the weaker one from the Source, rendering them unable to use magic. It's only when the channelers are close enough in strength that neither is able to cut off the other, or it's a large battle where you want to use area of effect attacks, or it's a surprise attack or something of the sort, that you see much in the way of actual battle weaves.

Rand is definitely a lot more powerful than Voldemort, whose only chance is winning by opening by Avada Kedavra and hitting.

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Chrono1219
09/16/11 6:56:00 PM
#64:


That seems to ruin the "neutral ground"

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Jeff Zero
09/16/11 7:00:00 PM
#65:


Rand.

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red sox 777
09/16/11 7:03:00 PM
#66:


It doesn't impact the area, it's a normal weave targeted at the other channeler. It just happens to be one of the fastest weaves you can cast. And as it does no harm to the other person (unless you choose to then inflict harm on them now that they are utterly at your mercy), so all forms of Rand would have no compunction about opening with it. It's like expelliarmus, but faster.

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Pirateking2000
09/16/11 7:04:00 PM
#67:


well we are all going for there 1 hit KO **** lets mix it up a bit for more arguments / possible alternatives

How tanky is Rand for example?

couldn't Voldy use stupify / freeze / shadow choke to stop Rand for a bit to Avada Kadavra his ass?

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Pirateking2000
09/16/11 7:07:00 PM
#68:


or even use some of his other curses?

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red sox 777
09/16/11 7:10:00 PM
#69:


Rand can probably block anything Voldemort can throw at him except Avada Kedavra. He's not very tanky though, if he were to get hit (which he probably would not).

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Jeff Zero
09/16/11 7:11:00 PM
#70:


Oh, and for the record whenever I come in here and just type out a quick response on who I'm voting for, and I think Kanzar knows this, but what I'm doing is waiting for most of the match to read everyone's posts because I'm unfamiliar with one or both of the competitors. In this case I waited a while for Voldemort's case (I know all about Rand) but ultimately it fell short for me.

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Pirateking2000
09/16/11 7:12:00 PM
#71:


its just I don't know how he would block something like stupify (meh just going by movies haven't read all the books) where it doesn't seem to make a physical move its just point and BAM your frozen for a few seconds

plus HP has a ton of other magic shenanigans that don't just go to injury (transformation etc)

<shrug>

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Chrono1219
09/16/11 7:13:00 PM
#72:


From: Pirateking2000 | #307
well we are all going for there 1 hit KO **** lets mix it up a bit for more arguments / possible alternatives

How tanky is Rand for example?

couldn't Voldy use stupify / freeze / shadow choke to stop Rand for a bit to Avada Kadavra his ass?


Because it's pretty much certain that voldermort will open with either AK or Teleport and then AK depending on what he mind reads.

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Pirateking2000
09/16/11 7:15:00 PM
#73:


I know just saying that it could mix **** up (like how you said some move reading he could go)

(oh this guy is gonna go super fast this way lemme freeze him for a second and then blast him)

like in the movie voldy didn't just spam AK (he was doing some other stuff and some shadow restraint move)

or something.

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red sox 777
09/16/11 7:19:00 PM
#74:


its just I don't know how he would block something like stupify (meh just going by movies haven't read all the books) where it doesn't seem to make a physical move its just point and BAM your frozen for a few seconds

Well, there's an equivalent to stupefy in Wheel of Time (in that it has the same effect), which is to bind/freeze the opponent with air, and Rand would just cut that weave apart pretty effortlessly.

The other thing is that Rand can cast multiple spells simultaneously, whereas I believe HP wizards can only do one at a time. They can fire off spells in rapid succession, but can't actually perform multiple spells at the same time.

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Pirateking2000
09/16/11 7:20:00 PM
#75:


mmk dunno much about wheel of time shenanigans except <anime rage face> Baaaaaaaaaaaaaalllleeeeefiiiiiiirrrre

but in any case I think Voldy's move read that people are talking about could give him the edge to get Rand.

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Sceptilesolarbeam
09/16/11 7:24:00 PM
#76:


Rand

Voldemort just isn't all that strong, and he's unlikely to be able to successfully cheapshot Rand either.

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Pirateking2000
09/16/11 7:28:00 PM
#77:


also still would like to know how much of a tank Rand is (guess its won't help much for this match due to AK etc)

just curious is all.

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red sox 777
09/16/11 7:29:00 PM
#78:


Rand couldn't tank too much that actually hit him. But he has very strong shields and is very fast, so actually hitting him is the hard part.

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DeathChicken
09/16/11 7:30:00 PM
#79:


Voldemort is stupidly strong. Again, fighting Dumbledore, and three high end wizards at once effortlessly. The only reasons he ever really loses is due to Harry having all sorts of deus ex plot devices to backfire his AK/make his wand explode/etc

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Pirateking2000
09/16/11 7:30:00 PM
#80:


mmk

Just wondering if the base Expelliarmus (I probably spelled that wrong) could send him flying back with blunt force or something <shrug>

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Sceptilesolarbeam
09/16/11 7:31:00 PM
#81:


DeathChicken posted...
Voldemort is stupidly strong. Again, fighting Dumbledore, and three high end wizards at once effortlessly. The only reasons he ever really loses is due to Harry having all sorts of deus ex plot devices to backfire his AK/make his wand explode/etc

Oh, I'm not denying he's strong within his series, but Rand is just far stronger in terms of pure magical ability. He completely obliterates 1000s of enemies in a matter of seconds.

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Wanglicious
09/16/11 7:33:00 PM
#82:


do note 'very fast' on rand is relative and still looking under sound speed for movement/reflexes.
not that harry potter ever comes close to that.

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Wanglicious
09/16/11 7:36:00 PM
#84:


shields aren't physical, no.

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Sceptilesolarbeam
09/16/11 7:37:00 PM
#85:


Oh, and Rand should be able to create defenses pretty much instantly. Unless he's doing something really flashy, and nothing actually occurs to me, his spells are all nigh-instantaneous by where we are in the story.

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Pirateking2000
09/16/11 7:38:00 PM
#86:


hahaha I'm liking this match

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lol

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todbot1
09/16/11 7:45:00 PM
#87:


Weird... I guess Voldemort.

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09/16/11 7:50:00 PM
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GANON1025
09/16/11 7:52:00 PM
#89:


Rand

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WickIebee
09/16/11 7:56:00 PM
#90:


I should come in here again... don't forget, Avada Kadavra isn't Voldemort's only spell, if he misses too much, he also has Crucio and Imperio, which Imperio would render Rand useless, and then possibly use a hit right on himself

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Pirateking2000
09/16/11 8:00:00 PM
#91:


^ Yeah was wondering how Voldy's other curse shenanigans would do as well.

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Sceptilesolarbeam
09/16/11 8:02:00 PM
#92:


WickIebee posted...
I should come in here again... don't forget, Avada Kadavra isn't Voldemort's only spell, if he misses too much, he also has Crucio and Imperio, which Imperio would render Rand useless, and then possibly use a hit right on himself

I don't think Imperio would work. Not only is mental defense as common as physical defense (or commoner), but Rand also has Lews Therin in there too. Possessing him would be difficult.

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Panthera
09/16/11 8:29:00 PM
#93:


From: red sox 777 | #078
Rand couldn't tank too much that actually hit him. But he has very strong shields and is very fast, so actually hitting him is the hard part.


If his shields are magic though they probably don't work, since AK's whole thing is that it will go through any sort of magical protection to hit its target, so blocking it requires making it hit physical objects instead (or getting out of the way, which is hard to judge because its speed is kind of however fast the plot wants it to be)

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KamikazePotato
09/16/11 8:30:00 PM
#94:


Rand why is this debated. This is the definition of a stomp.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/16/11 8:33:00 PM
#95:


From: KamikazePotato | #094
Rand why is this debated. This is the definition of a stomp.


'Voldemort avaad kedavara to win lol'

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Sceptilesolarbeam
09/16/11 8:42:00 PM
#96:


Is Voldemort's magic considered functionally equivalent to channeling?

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WickIebee
09/16/11 9:12:00 PM
#97:


Also, might as well add... for all these speeds, it wouldn't matter, considering Point Blank apparition + the idea that he doesn't need to voice his spells... wouldn't exactly leave any room to dodge...

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Panthera
09/16/11 9:16:00 PM
#98:


Has anyone actually ever used Avada Kedavra non-verbally? Using spells without the incantation is supposed to be both vastly more difficult and result in a much weaker spell, I'd be inclined to question the possibility of it unless I'm forgetting a case of someone proving it could be done. I feel like he was still saying it during his fight with Dumbledore (especially since non-verbal spells didn't become a thing the books made note of until book 6 IIRC)

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Pirateking2000
09/16/11 9:17:00 PM
#99:


^ I think Voldemort does it doesn't he?

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