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Right after Sarda scored the first shut-out of the contest, Kizaru decided to step up to the plate and try to beat the Wizard Who Did It at his own game. Unfortunately, while he did shut-out Asuna, it took him almost the whole match to do so. A sign of the power disparity between the 3 and 4 seed, maybe? Votals: 15-0.
(2) Rand al'Thor From the Wheel of Time, Rand al'Thor is known as the “Dragon Reborn,” the prophesied savior of the world. Potentially the most powerful channeler to ever be born, Rand has fought many battles and many of his allies fear he has given up his humanity and emotions. He fights with the sword Callandor, which is claimed to be powerful enough to destroy a city with one blow, though its use is highly dangerous.
Rand can erect various wards, or shields, for defense, including a Super Ward, which is said to stop anything except Balefire (see below), though it also stops air, which means the user will suffocate if he uses it too long. He can create Blossoms of Fire, ten-foot-tall fiery bars that can incinerate and hurl enemies; Deathgates, gateways that can be opened and shut rapidly and made in rapid succession; and Arrows of Fire, small bursts of flame that fly from his fingertips. His most powerful move is Balefire, a blast which erases the target and, depending on its strength, any actions they've done recently from existence.
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From: KanzarisKelshen | #002 (6) Lord Voldemort From Harry Potter, Lord Voldemort is the most dangerous dark wizard of all time. Cruel, sociopathic, and obsessed with ruling over others and conquering death, Voldemort is a master of the three Unforgivable Curses (possession, torture, and killing), and has demonstrated enough skill to stand in a duel against the other most powerful wizard of his day, Albus Dumbledore.
Voldemort is skilled in dark magic and is presumed to have mastered many complex and deadly spells. He is skilled in Occlumency, which lets him read minds, and Legilimency, which shields his own mind from penetration. His most favored spell is Avada Kedavra, the Killing Curse, which shoots a jet of green light that kills upon contact, though it can be blocked by solid objects.
Asuna can summon either a harisen or a sword, large and powerful weapons; she can wield the weapons with no difficulty. The harisen exorcises demons with a single strike, while the sword can cleave through rock and was once shown to counter multiple magical attacks.
(6) Lord Voldemort From Harry Potter, Lord Voldemort is the most dangerous dark wizard of all time. Cruel, sociopathic, and obsessed with ruling over others and conquering death, Voldemort is a master of the three Unforgivable Curses (possession, torture, and killing), and has demonstrated enough skill to stand in a duel against the other most powerful wizard of his day, Albus Dumbledore.
Voldemort is skilled in dark magic and is presumed to have mastered many complex and deadly spells. He is skilled in Occlumency, which lets him read minds, and Legilimency, which shields his own mind from penetration. His most favored spell is Avada Kedavra, the Killing Curse, which shoots a jet of green light that kills upon contact, though it can be blocked by solid objects.
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I still remember the Rand versus Superman arguments. Superman is one of the only characters in any story to be explicitly immune to being undone by effects like balefire.
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Horcruxes just make it so Voldy can't technically die. He can still be reduced to that ghost thing he was at the very beginning of Harry Potter, that can't do much but run around and eat unicorns
Thing about this fight is, I seem to remember Voldemort teleport spamming a lot in his fight with Dumbledore. That might help him hit first, and whoever hits first in this thing is gonna win
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From: DeathChicken | #012 Horcruxes just make it so Voldy can't technically die. He can still be reduced to that ghost thing he was at the very beginning of Harry Potter, that can't do much but run around and eat unicorns
Thing about this fight is, I seem to remember Voldemort teleport spamming a lot in his fight with Dumbledore. That might help him hit first, and whoever hits first in this thing is gonna win
This is indeed the case. Voldemort likes combat disapparition.
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Apparently he must be a jerk / idiot to spam Balefire off the bat which from what I remember destroys his universe or something
Hahahahahahahahaha
This is gonna be such a great match once the WoT crew shows up. There's more and less truth to your statement than you think.
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I'm tentatively leaning towards Voldemort. Dude showed some ridiculous skill, basically tying with Dumbledore, and then beating McGonagall and two other wizards at the same time with essentially no effort (and McGonagall had just finished whupping Snape a few minutes earlier, so she was no slouch)
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From: Anagram | Posted: 9/16/2011 7:20:41 PM | #009 I still remember the Rand versus Superman arguments. Superman is one of the only characters in any story to be explicitly immune to being undone by effects like balefire.
JACK ATLAS and the Yugioh 5DS people are also immune to it but they are not likely to show up in one of those contests >.>
...Though JACK did punch the devil and transform him into a trading card and is capable of setting his hand on fire. Man on second thought I should have nominated JACK ATLAS.
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From: Natwaf_akidna | #020 Are we using Darth Rand here or Jesus Rand?
Which one is his peak?
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Darth Rand is the one goes Balefire from the start (even to women) and sent a guy to his (probable) doom just to flush out his target . The guy returns from his duty mind-controlled, then Rand Balefires THE ENTIRE CASTLE (or was it fortress/stronghold/villa? I forgot) just to make sure the target's dead. He pretty much jinxes everything around him though, including his friends and things he did. Also, he's this close to going nuts.
Jesus Rand has has insane luck going for him, IIRC, and is in complete control of himself.
I was gonna say it might make a difference if Rand's parents were magical or not (Voldy actually does show some restraint towards purebloods. Then he just wants to enslave you, not kill you), but I'm pretty sure Rand's were muggles
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I'm kind of inclined to lean Voldemort really simply because his combat tactic of "teleport like crazy spamming Avada Kedavra" is pretty effective against anyone that can't block it, but it depends on how fast Rand is able to move and how well he could Balefire a rapidly moving target. Also depends on personality, where Voldemort may or may not be able to tell Rand is enough of a threat to really go nuts on, and how likely Rand is to throw out Balefire right away.
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Jesus Rand also has attacks that basically destroy all evil people within a range of a few kilometers, and he's able to sense their presence and make them all terrified of him. Voldy's cake for him.
Rand also has shields that can block continent busting attacks...Avada Kedavra was blocked by a statue in Order of the Phoenix, so I doubt it'd be able to hit him.
From: Mac Arrowny | #029 Rand also has shields that can block continent busting attacks...Avada Kedavra was blocked by a statue in Order of the Phoenix, so I doubt it'd be able to hit him.
That depends entirely on whether its magic or not.
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Shoenin_Kakashi posted... so...basically its who can hit who with a lame instakill 1st?
Sounds like it, and I'm going with Voldemort for that. His route to a OHKO while avoiding a OHKO from his opponent is pretty straightforward. Plus he is impossible to OHKO himself anyway if we are counting the Horcruxes.
From: smitelf | #037 Sounds like it, and I'm going with Voldemort for that. His route to a OHKO while avoiding a OHKO from his opponent is pretty straightforward. Plus he is impossible to OHKO himself anyway if we are counting the Horcruxes.
Why is it that I, despite not even liking Harry Potter, am always the only one who actually knows that the Horcruxes aren't some magical invincibility trick and all they do is make it possible for him to be resurrected later with significant effort?
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Panthera posted... Why is it that I, despite not even liking Harry Potter, am always the only one who actually knows that the Horcruxes aren't some magical invincibility trick and all they do is make it possible for him to be resurrected later with significant effort?
He cannot actually be killed until his Horcruxes are destroyed, so I don't see how time or effort involved in resurrection is relevant, unless Rand has some leads on where those Horcruxes are.
From: smitelf | #039 He cannot actually be killed until his Horcruxes are destroyed, so I don't see how time or effort involved in resurrection is relevant, unless Rand has some leads on where those Horcruxes are.
Remember when he had that Avada Kedavra reflected back at him and it took him about 14 years before he managed to get himself a new body? Because that was the plot of half the series, as you'll recall. He can't "die" but like several others in this thing (like Lord Foul) being immortal doesn't mean you can't lose. If you "kill" him, you still win because he's going to be left as a useless disembodied spirit until someone helps him out.
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Mistake you're making - overlooking the fact that we might not want to be saved.
He cannot actually be killed until his Horcruxes are destroyed, so I don't see how time or effort involved in resurrection is relevant, unless Rand has some leads on where those Horcruxes are.
Not being dead doesn't matter. He'd still be incapacitated, and that's enough for this contest.
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From: smitelf | #039 Panthera posted... Why is it that I, despite not even liking Harry Potter, am always the only one who actually knows that the Horcruxes aren't some magical invincibility trick and all they do is make it possible for him to be resurrected later with significant effort?
He cannot actually be killed until his Horcruxes are destroyed, so I don't see how time or effort involved in resurrection is relevant, unless Rand has some leads on where those Horcruxes are.
It is relevant because the rules go "you win when your opponent is killed or incapacitated, exiled, or otherwise unable to continue the fight.". It is what makes ringouts viable, as does killing Voldy.
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Panthera posted... Remember when he had that Avada Kedavra reflected back at him and it took him about 14 years before he managed to get himself a new body? Because that was the plot of half the series, as you'll recall. He can't "die" but like several others in this thing (like Lord Foul) being immortal doesn't mean you can't lose. If you "kill" him, you still win because he's going to be left as a useless disembodied spirit until someone helps him out.
Voldemort is not immortal, but it takes either specialized knowledge or a UK-sized destructive attack to polish him off.
KanzarisKelshen posted... He cannot actually be killed until his Horcruxes are destroyed, so I don't see how time or effort involved in resurrection is relevant, unless Rand has some leads on where those Horcruxes are. It is relevant because the rules go "you win when your opponent is killed or incapacitated, exiled, or otherwise unable to continue the fight.". It is what makes ringouts viable, as does killing Voldy.
Okay then. Not really needed for my vote anyway, I just see it as a bonus.
From: smitelf | #043 Panthera posted... Remember when he had that Avada Kedavra reflected back at him and it took him about 14 years before he managed to get himself a new body? Because that was the plot of half the series, as you'll recall. He can't "die" but like several others in this thing (like Lord Foul) being immortal doesn't mean you can't lose. If you "kill" him, you still win because he's going to be left as a useless disembodied spirit until someone helps him out.
Voldemort is not immortal, but it takes either specialized knowledge or a UK-sized destructive attack to polish him off.
Negatory. Avada Kedavra is a single target kill. That is not country busting power by any stretch, and it takes no knowledge to turn him into a ghost.
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Negatory. Avada Kedavra is a single target kill. That is not country busting power by any stretch, and it takes no knowledge to turn him into a ghost.
Your contest, your rules, so if incapacitation counts, Horcruxes don't come into play. But I stand by my statement of what is required to actually destroy him.
From: smitelf | #043 Voldemort is not immortal, but it takes either specialized knowledge or a UK-sized destructive attack to polish him off.
Or you kill him, and his pseudo-immortality lets him live in a state that can't hope to fight at all because it's basically just a ghost and requires outside help to ever act again.
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From: smitelf | #046 Negatory. Avada Kedavra is a single target kill. That is not country busting power by any stretch, and it takes no knowledge to turn him into a ghost.
Your contest, your rules, so if incapacitation counts, Horcruxes don't come into play. But I stand by my statement of what is required to actually destroy him.
Not saying your interpretation is invalid. I just don't think Avada Kedavra can exactly destroy Britain if it's dodged...since that happens repeatedly in the books and the battleground doesn't even change.
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