From: Ed Bellis | #100 There is only one time I can think of where somebody tried to use AK non-verbally - in the Department of Mysteries fight, where that silenced Death Eater tries to jinx Hermione. It's never actually stated that it's Avada Kedavra but I always assumed it was, given that Harry makes a big point of talking about how serious the spell would have been had he been able to say it out loud (she only got knocked out). Pretty sure Voldy always says it.
Hmm, I thought that spell was pink or some other non-green colour, don't really feel like hunting through dozens of pages to find it though <_<
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From: Ed Bellis | #100 There is only one time I can think of where somebody tried to use AK non-verbally - in the Department of Mysteries fight, where that silenced Death Eater tries to jinx Hermione. It's never actually stated that it's Avada Kedavra but I always assumed it was, given that Harry makes a big point of talking about how serious the spell would have been had he been able to say it out loud (she only got knocked out). Pretty sure Voldy always says it.
I never thought I'd see the day where Rand isn't the overhyped one in a match.
HPverse always gets mad overhype. Remember the time Dumbledore was argued to Avada Kedavra seriously (I think it was serious)?
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Welp, looked around online, and Voldemort always says it... But it was shown to be used non-verbally by Snape, so it is possible, but doubtful whether or not Voldy actually would...
Also, he seems to be egotistical, thus, most likely would do some cheap shot from behind, as well, would not resort to strategy...
So, by this conclusion, I highly doubt Voldemort's success...
Ed Bellis posted... Two things: 1) When did Snape ever do it non-verbally?
Book 6
2) Is Rand just going to be standing there doing nothing while Voldemort makes a "cheap shot from behind"?
As mentioned in an earlier post... it would have been a point blank shot, most likely from behind, due to apparition... Which mentioned now, would be highly doubtful that Voldemort would ever be smart enough to use such a tactic
It's said through HP that there's no way to counter the Killing Curse, thus, his shields would be rendered useless... but again, I didn't say Voldy would use the strategy the second time around... then third, and now for the forth time...
Apologies for that last post... had tried to edit the 'no-counter' thing, but was called away... but either way, like showed from the beginning, it depends on how the character acts, and by the looks of all, Rand would need to be taken out by a sneak attack at the looks of it...
The sneak attack I mentioned has two problems...
1) Apparition leaves a large "CRACK" 2) Voldemort isn't likely to use it...
I think Voldemort could conceivably win, but it's more likely than not that Rand would. The only way Voldemort wins is if he goes for AK and gets it off first, and Rand tries to block it. There are a lot of ways Rand can win:
1. Rand balefires Voldemort before or at the same time Voldemort uses AK. If they're both hit Rand wins because the balefire will erase Voldemort to before he used AK.
2. Rand dodges AK and defeats Voldemort with his generally superior magic.
3. Rand cuts off Voldemort from his magic at the start, if magic in HP is close enough to channeling in WOT for him to do that (and if it isn't, there's an argument that there might be something magical in WOT that can block AK too).
I don't see Voldemort wouldn't use it, really. It's the tactic he used the only time he had a serious conventional fight (his other big battle comes in a place where he can't Apparate), and Legilimency means he'd definitely be able to figure out pretty quickly he was dealing with a serious enemy. Wouldn't start with it instantly, but as soon as he takes a look at Rand or Rand starts to think of attacking, Voldy is going to figure it out. You can't really resist it without special training either, willpower doesn't work since Harry is practically immune to the Imperius Curse from how good he is at overcoming its effects but against someone who isn't even as good as Voldemort at Legilimency (Snape) he pretty much gets pre-empted on anything he thinks to try. Voldemort is very likely to use the teleport/AK tactic unless Rand's initial attack can outright prevent it, really.
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Yeah, it says there's no way to counter the Killing Curse in the Harry Potter universe. What's stopping another universe (like, say, the one Rand is from) from having a counter to it? If Rand has a shield that explicitly stops magic from getting in, then it's probably not getting in.
Then, couldn't the opposite be true? That Rand's shields stop magic from his universe, but perhaps spells from the HP world work/act differently in some way that could get through his shields?
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Ed Bellis posted... You're allowed to change your vote if you've changed your mind! That's what this is supposed to be - people listening to arguments and then coming to conclusions.
Oh... didn't know how it felt to the TC for such...
but yes, by looks of Voldy, I wish to change my vote to Rand
Ed Bellis posted... From: DeathChicken | #121 Gamefaqs Rand That is what I'm trying to avoid, yes. >_>
The funny thing is that past Rand was more GameFAQS Rand than he was true to the novels...because he was toned down. He lacked the Choedan Kal, which he has here if Darth Rand is his power peak. If it's Jesus Rand this is irrelevant, of course.
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He probably needs that 'Pick an era' caveat more than the comic characters do, since what he's bringing to the fight and what he'd be likely to do in it change so vastly depending on where in the story he is
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From: DeathChicken | #124 He probably needs that 'Pick an era' caveat more than the comic characters do, since what he's bringing to the fight and what he'd be likely to do in it change so vastly depending on where in the story he is
This is a very fair point. Rand fans need to come in and provide counseling on which era he should be in, because seeing some people vote for Jesus Rand while others vote based on Darth Rand is really not right. If nobody chimes in I'll go with Jesus Rand by default.
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Panthera said that Avada Kedavra's whole thing is getting past magical defenses (except the POWER OF LOVE), but Mac also said that Rand's shields have tanked "continent-busting attacks." I figure that, yeah, AK's magical property might make it possible to sneak through the shield, but that's because I don't know much about the shield since nobody's mentioned how good they are at keeping out magic specifically.
They're mainly used against magic. Capable of defeating anything short of Balefire in WoT, and again, since AK loses to a freakin' statue, I figure they should be able to handle it.
What is this exactly? Can you elaborate?
Only read that scene once so it's hard to remember, but there's a couple times he uses his Jesus powers. Once, to ferret out all the spies around him (he just looks at a crowd and all the bad guys break down), and once, when he sounds out waves of light against the opposing armies, and even the bad guys behind him have their eyes and eardrums explode from being near such an attack.
But yeah, Rand could just use his nice new light attack in all directions to wash out Voldy, and since it doesn't hurt good guys, he'd be happy to use it with no fears of collateral damage.
From: GANON1025 | #127 Well, what are the differences between the two?
One has continent busting attacks and terrible luck. For the other one, see above.
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From: KanzarisKelshen | #128 One has continent busting attacks and terrible luck. For the other one, see above.
He doesn't have terrible luck, he just makes bad things happen around him, like a bunch of people suddenly fall off a balcony as he goes by, or all the food in a city suddenly goes bad because he's there.
From: Mac Arrowny | #129 He doesn't have terrible luck, he just makes bad things happen around him, like a bunch of people suddenly fall off a balcony as he goes by, or all the food in a city suddenly goes bad because he's there.
Sorry, let me rephrase that: he has an entropy aura of sorts. Just need a way to sum it up in a couple words.
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red sox, you gave three possible scenarios for Rand to win, but which of those, given his personality, is he likely to actually do?
Darth Rand opens with balefire immediately. TOM Rand would probably opt for cutting off Voldemort from magic first, if the super vague fry-all-evil-beings-near-him thing doesn't work. And it is vague, because it doesn't fit into normal mechanics of the series, and no one in the WoT universe knows how or why it works, other than that Rand is the Dragon Reborn, the fulfillment of thousands of years (or an eternity, depending on how you look at it) of prophecy.
I don't see TOM Rand being hit by a surprise AK even if his evil frying powers don't manifest themselves here. He does have incredibly good luck/destiny, and he would in all probability block AK by moving a physical object in front of him like Dumbledore, or dodging, or blocking with both a magical and a physical shield to be safe.
The Seanchan peace getting called off is horrible luck I'd say. Though it's likely that it's Tuon resisting the Ta'veren pull rather than Rand's luck causing it.
Rand is also a master swordsman, so I think he has the dexterity to physically dodge AK if necessary.
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As others have explained, Rand takes this. Any of his forms has more magical mojo than Voldemort, put simply.
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