Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 150: Ryder > Wolverine

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Well like 5 people interfered in the last WWE title match the cell clearly will keep them out!

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del rio wins hiac due to johnny ace imo

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Wanglicious posted...
del rio wins hiac due to johnny ace imo

Which is awesome because we all want to see John Cena go after the title again.

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From: SmartMuffin | #249
It's really not at all the same. Survivor Series, the Rumble, and KOTR all include one gimmick match in them, and usually NOT the main events.

wait what

the rumble is always the main event (except for when they wanted taker to blow up the ring) and KOTR and SS always have multiple matches using the gimmick (kotr pretty much has to by design, they've gotten away from having multiple SS matches though)

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the rumble is always the main event (except for when they wanted taker to blow up the ring) and KOTR and SS always have multiple matches using the gimmick (kotr pretty much has to by design, they've gotten away from having multiple SS matches though)

The rumble is the "main event" in the sense that it happens last, yes. But my point is, having the rumble on the card doesn't take away any flexibility from what you can do with the other matches. Same thing with SvS and KOTR.

Having the gimmicks all on a preset schedule means not only do you have to use them when that month comes up, but you essentially can't use them at any other time, even if they'd be really appropriate for the given storyline.

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Money in the Bank has the gimmick matches in the midcard.

But then people complain about that because of the nature of the briefcases!

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MITB is a separate thing entirely. I just think that's a tired gimmick that should be retired completely.

But my point remains. You can say that at MITB we can have any kind of match in the main event, but we can't, because the gimmick matches are already reserved for gimmick-specific PPVs at later times. You can't have Hell in a Cell at MITB, no matter how much sense it might make, because the official Hell in a Cell PPV is coming up in a few months!

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From: SmartMuffin | #257
The rumble is the "main event" in the sense that it happens last, yes. But my point is, having the rumble on the card doesn't take away any flexibility from what you can do with the other matches.

if you wanna get technical, it does

you gotta have star power in the rumble itself (which is half the reason guys get "try out" world title shots at the ppv generally) and you also have to use the guy you intend to have challenge at WM obviously

think of tonight's PPV

if they went with cena/punk/del rio and orton/henry as the title matches at the rumble, would they really have enough credible guys left to have an intriguing and compelling rumble? christian? sheamus? cody? wade? are any of those guys even there?

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Well really the only "new" gimmick PPVs that still exist in that sense are Elimination Chamber, Hell in a Cell, and TLC.

And at least with TLC there's a little flexibility.

And with Elimination Chamber this year they found a way to take one of the World Titles out of the Chamber.

So really Hell in a Cell stands alone as the only really bad one.

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to be clear, i'm not supporting the gimmick ppv idea, i think it's stupid too

feuds should progress naturally

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Just tuned into Hell in a Cell

The f*** did they do to Otunga

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That was a pretty awesome end to the PPV.

Though I really wanted Henry to just come down and rip the door off the cage.

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del rio is a magnificent bastard. someone get that man a cape.

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so i haven't been watching

can somebody explain the point of cena's reign?

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Hard to believe that Del Rio is now a 2 time World champion.

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From: TimJab | #1308
so i haven't been watching

can somebody explain the point of cena's reign?

stat padding

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TimJab posted...
so i haven't been watching

can somebody explain the point of cena's reign?

Cause he's Cena?

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Del Rio is pretty much the only heel I can even remember to come up with a plan like that, and *not* have it fail

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Cena needed the reign so he has a reason to come in and beat up Del Rio after the match. He loses while not champion he just got out smarted. He loses as champion he was robbed.

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DeathChicken posted...
Del Rio is pretty much the only heel I can even remember to come up with a plan like that, and *not* have it fail

I know, I really thought Cena was going to power into the cage. It was just awesome when he had to give up and watch.

Bravo to Del Rio.

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del rio not only came up with a successful heel plan, but he even taunted an opponent after knocking the third man out and proceeded to STILL win that match, without getting hit by the finisher of the 3rd man.

i'm not sure when a heel did that one and got away with it.

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TimJab posted...
so i haven't been watching

can somebody explain the point of cena's reign?

In addition to pure stat padding, I think they really just needed the Cena/Del Rio feud to extend through 3 PPVs and this was the laziest way they could do it.

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Oh man

It would be the ULTIMATE DICK MOVE

But imagine a Bryan cash-in at the end of all that.

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what did del rio do? lock cena out of the cage?

i guess that makes sense then, but i still don't see why it was necessary to have del rio and cena trade title reigns

they should have just moved everything back a month

have the 5-star cena vs. punk match at summerslam (makes a lot more sense than MITB)

have cena beat punk at night of champions (once again, the champion vs. champion gimmick works a lot better at NoC than summerslam)

then maybe have del rio use his MITB to insert himself into the HiaC match (since he had this plan all along) and screw cena

then you have the first cena/del rio 1on1 at vengeance or whatever is next

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Had to have the first Punk match in Chicago

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Had Ricardo hand him a pipe, locked Cena out of the cage, bonked Punk with the pipe, taunted Cena, bonked Punk twice more with the pipe, pinned him and won

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From: Dr_Football | #280
Had to have the first Punk match in Chicago

ehhhh i guess you could have held summerslam in chicago, but i assume that venues are booked way further in advance than they bother to plan ahead for

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Yeah they book venues an eternity in advance, no way to readjust the schedule on PPV locations

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Maniac64 posted...
That was a pretty awesome end to the PPV.

Though I really wanted Henry to just come down and rip the door off the cage.

I feel pretty much the opposite.

When did Vince Russo get the book back at WWE?

Seriously pretty much everything post- MiTB has been so overbooked for so long, Im just getting sick of it. Not to say i want things to go back to being normal/boring but too much nonsense in a row and you lose the verisimilitude that made the new WWE direction work.

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This was different from the Night of Champions main event cluster**** though in that it was actually entertaining instead of being stupid.

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....what was overbooked about today's show exactly? christian/sheamus was straight. sin cara/sin cara, while dumb and a bad match, is something that.... i don't think any of us even know where they're going with it. partially because i'm not sure they do. that said, it was straight as well. henry/orton was a straight match with a surprisingly clean finish. beth/kelly was a diva match which pretty much goes by the rules of 'just kill kelly and i am happy.' natty taunting is bonus points.

what exactly was overbooked tonight. the booking was pretty spot on if anything - to those who needed to win tonight, they got it. there was no nonsense in any of the matches except for the last, and its nonsense was del rio being a goddamn genius and coming up with a strategy midway during hell in a cell. everything made sense and was logical tonight, and everything was straightforward. or what, is this about awesome truth? which is a storyline of its own and didn't affect ANY match at all, keeping itself separate from what actively went on? and is a firing angle that doens't suck for once?

like jeez, they did everything right on tonight's ppv. it's not the greatest you'll ever see, but things seem to be moving again AND they made del rio credible for the belt.

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Yeah, tonight's ending was muuuuuuch better than NoC. I dunno what was "overbooked," or "Russo" about it.

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StealThisSheen posted...
Yeah, tonight's ending was muuuuuuch better than NoC. I dunno what was "overbooked," or "Russo" about it.

"better than NoC" and "good" aren't the same thing.

I dunno I kinda like to see my pay per views end on a clean note.

And I mean Del Rio going over Punk, sorta, after three lead pipe macks =/= going over.

And Del Rios win and the title in general got completely lost in the shuffle and looked /irrelevant/ for the first time since Punk/Cena started. So not only did he go over in a weak way, but we also just completely forgot about his win again meaning his second title reign is probably going to mean as much or even less than his first, begging the question "whats the point?" Which is Russo all the way.

I see all of you who complain about Triple H, yet have no problem with the show ending with pretty much Trips going over Miz/Truth and having to be dragged off by Sergeant Slaughter. Yes a night headlined by your two biggest faces and one of your top heels and an invasion by two more of them ended with Trips going over.

It was a mess. A Mess that made a lot more sense than NoC, but a mess nonetheless.

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...I don't see how pipe smacks in a no DQ match somehow make a win weak. He outsmarted Cena to let him get to that point in the first place. How often does a heel actually pull something like that and have it WORK?

And I don't see how Trips went over, either. Yeah, he attacked Miz/Truth... After they already accomplished what they wanted AND allowed themselves to be arrested. It's not like Trips beat them up and they got dragged off. They LET themselves be dragged off and THEN he attacked. I'd bet this is leading to an assault charge with David Otunga: Ace Attorney, to screw Trips over.

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It still went off the air with Trips more or less standing tall.

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Yes. Standing tall because he got a few FREE shots in after his three main eventers were left laying in the middle of the ring.

I think you're just looking for things to hate.

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Anyway Round 2 of the Suicide League is up, after Lopen finally put Chocoboslayer to rest after this evenings action.

This means ANYONE can join and obviously anyone who was in Round 1 can hop back in.

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StealThisSheen posted...
Yes. Standing tall because he got a few FREE shots in after his three main eventers were left laying in the middle of the ring.

I think you're just looking for things to hate.

Hey I think the night went great til the ME finish and the total chaos that followed.

I mean if the evening ends with Del Rio standing tall, Ill question why he lost the title at all in the first place but otherwise accept it and even cheer a great night of wrestling.

It ending with Awesome Truth plunging the entire situation in chaos and burying your otherwise solid main event and overshadowing your new champ who desperately needs to get over, especially considering how weakass his first reign was. THAT is what I took issue with and viewed as overbooked and Russo-like. Now hes champ again, buried by something more interesting going on again. And once again, odds are he'll still only get to play second fiddle to a Triple H storyline. And suddenly the title looks irrelevent, which was something they had gotten away from post-Miz.

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This burying stuff is silly.

Anyway, it was a very good PPV. The main thing is that it still felt really average. Probably because we just had another PPV two weeks ago and nothing was too significant.

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I had fun with last night's PPV!

too bad I won't be watching Raw until sometime tomorrow because playoff baseball comes first and then Dark Souls midnight launch

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ScareChan posted...
Cena needed the reign so he has a reason to come in and beat up Del Rio after the match. He loses while not champion he just got out smarted. He loses as champion he was robbed.

there ya go. better for ADR to win this way as challenger, and better for Cena.

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Frankly nobody looed bad last night in that match, while at the same time del rio looked better than he ever has. He still got the pin on a superhero character, outsmarted the other, and proved he did not need mitb. He isn't like the other guys sans kane who barely can get by and are sorta under it - he proved with his win that he can hang, even if he has to outsmart his opponent which is by no means a bad thing.

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From: neonreaper | #298
there ya go. better for ADR to win this way as challenger, and better for Cena.

yeah once i found out the details of how he won i understood it more, but i still don't like them playing hot potato with the title

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