Board 8 > This is a sad day in the history of georgia, the usa, and even the world

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Troy Davis is about to be executed, a huge injustice due to the NO evidence for his alleged crimes

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/21/troy-davis-10-reasons

Article was good until reason 10 which was full of fail.

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From: SubDeity | #002
Article was good until reason 10 which was full of fail.

What? You don't think it's torturous to keep being brought face to face with death and then told "nah, we'll kill you later" each time?

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Yeah, it is really sad. I disagree with the death penalty, but I don't see how even people who agree with it could say this guy is 'without a reasonable doubt' guilty.

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I agree with the death penalty

This is stupid, unless they know information that we don't or something

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So this is now the second man who will be executed in the US amid serious doubt as to his guilt.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/21/troy-davis-and-lawrence-b_n_974293.html

Wow.

Also I guess Troy Davis is dead now. It's 7:11 Eastern time.

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What? You don't think it's torturous to keep being brought face to face with death and then told "nah, we'll kill you later" each time?

No, because they fully intended to execute him and then granted stays requested by Davis. If they wanted to protect him from this "torture" they should have stopped issuing appeals on his behalf.

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temporary reprieve

Or they could have stopped granting the appeals and then deciding there was no reason to doubt his guilt (even though there was plenty), setting up another execution date for him.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/21/troy-davis-execution-georgia_n_974463.html#liveblog

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SubDeity posted...
No, because they fully intended to execute him and then granted stays requested by Davis. If they wanted to protect him from this "torture" they should have stopped issuing appeals on his behalf.


Yes. The clear best thing would have been for the appeals to stop. You know, instead of for the state of Georgia to actually accept the appeals and look into the case further instead of simply rescheduling. Clearly, those issuing the appeals are in the wrong.

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Or they could have stopped granting the appeals and then deciding there was no reason to doubt his guilt (even though there was plenty), setting up another execution date for him.

"Granting mercy in the form of time is torture."

Good to know.

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Yes. The clear best thing would have been for the appeals to stop. You know, instead of for the state of Georgia to actually accept the appeals and look into the case further instead of simply rescheduling. Clearly, those issuing the appeals are in the wrong.

I never claimed that. I am merely pointing out that it is incredibly stupid to repeatedly request a reprieve and then when the state grants it to denounce it as "torture."

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I'm going to assume you're trying to be a troll. No one could be stupid enough to think it's merciful to keep scheduling execution dates for a man of doubtful guilt.

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As opposed to, what, just killing him? Yeah, that is pretty merciful. Alive, dead. Alive, dead

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SubDeity posted...
I never claimed that. I am merely pointing out that it is incredibly stupid to repeatedly request a reprieve and then when the state grants it to denounce it as "torture."


They granted said reprieves sometimes as late as an hour before it was about to happen, probably often giving the man hope, even when he may have been ready to accept death, only to then go "Nope, we're not looking into it further. Reschedule the execution."

That's torture.

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I'm going to assume you're trying to be a troll. No one could be stupid enough to think it's merciful to keep scheduling execution dates for a man of doubtful guilt.

Obviously the state does not consider his guilt to be in doubt.

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From: redrocket | #006
So this is now the second man who will be executed in the US amid serious doubt as to his guilt.

waaaay higher than second time

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how about just not killing him if there's no evidence, that seems sensible

OmarsComin posted...
how about just not killing him if there's no evidence, that seems sensible

Frankly, it sounds like the family of the dead police officer are being so loud and demanding for his death that they just decided they don't care.

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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/20/prosecutor-says-he-has-no-doubt-about-troy-davis-guilt/

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hey subdeity whether or not it's torture has no bearing on the degree of injustice involved here.

in that a man who is of doubtful guilt is being executed

how is the guilt in doubt, you ask? witnesses have recanted their testimony, two of them have implicated another man, and multiple witnesses have reported being coerced into testifying against Davis by the police.

the one bright side to this is that hopefully people will wake up after this and realize how stupid the death penalty is.

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the one bright side to this is that hopefully people will wake up after this and realize how stupid the death penalty is

you have too much faith in people

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of course the prosecutor would say that, it would be embarrassing of him to cast doubt on his own case.

you think he might be a bit biased?

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Red Shifter posted...
you have too much faith in people

I've never seen this much public outrage over a death penalty case before. If his killing reaches more media avenues, word will spread and more people will get pissed off.

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From: SubDeity | #022
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/20/prosecutor-says-he-has-no-doubt-about-troy-davis-guilt/

Of course he'd say that.

Unless you think having a reputation as the dude who effectively sentenced a probably innocent man to death is a positive thing.

Unless you're Rick Perry, that is.

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SubDeity posted...
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/20/prosecutor-says-he-has-no-doubt-about-troy-davis-guilt/


This isn't Phoenix Wright or a feel-good episode of Law and Order. Most prosecutors aren't going to cast doubt on their own case, especially one that has become so big. It'd destroy his entire life.

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I remember there being a case in Texas where protesters led by Jesse Jackson tried to get a delay and never did, and new evidence came up a week or two too late.

Nothing changed. In fact, they might've just started killing people faster down there.

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In fairness, even if it was Phoenix Wright, the prosecutor would still say the same thing.

He wouldn't have a change of heart until the home stretch of the final case.

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so three of us have given the exact same valid argument

get on our level subdeity

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SubDeity posted...
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/20/prosecutor-says-he-has-no-doubt-about-troy-davis-guilt/


This isn't Phoenix Wright or a feel-good episode of Law and Order. Most prosecutors aren't going to cast doubt on their own case, especially one that has become so big. It'd destroy his entire life.

What would destroy his life more though? Proof of this guy's innocence coming out before or after he was executed?

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of course the prosecutor would say that, it would be embarrassing of him to cast doubt on his own case.

you think he might be a bit biased?

Shouldn't I think the same of the defense, then? Seems both have reasons to be suspected.

If only there were some way to decide who had a superior case, like a court of law or something.

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From: redrocket | #032
What would destroy his life more though? Proof of this guy's innocence coming out before or after he was executed?

Um, doi? After.

It'd still suck to be him, but at least you haven't sealed the deal on the guy yet.

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Red Shifter posted...
I remember there being a case in Texas where protesters led by Jesse Jackson tried to get a delay and never did, and new evidence came up a week or two too late.

Nothing changed. In fact, they might've just started killing people faster down there.

word spreads faster than ever these days. let's stay optimistic. when did this Texas case happen?

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redrocket posted...
What would destroy his life more though? Proof of this guy's innocence coming out before or after he was executed?


At this point, I think he's banking on everybody just giving up after, or sufficient proof never coming, even if it does exist. Sadly, give it a month or two and all the attention will die down. Then it's suddenly not as bad to be wrong.

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like 10 years ago or something

i can't even remember. that's how little has changed

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From: Red Shifter | #029
I remember there being a case in Texas where protesters led by Jesse Jackson tried to get a delay and never did, and new evidence came up a week or two too late.

but the miracle never happen

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He's been granted a reprieve. He could be killed at any point up to seven days from now or given a stay before then.

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SubDeity posted...
Shouldn't I think the same of the defense, then? Seems both have reasons to be suspected.

If only there were some way to decide who had a superior case, like a court of law or something.

a) the prosecutor would have more reason to come up with shaky reasoning to affirm Davis' guilt than the defense would to doubt it, given that the whole point of this struggle is to put the right man to justice for the crime. If new irreversible evidence was given that Davis is guilty, people would calm down some. Admitting that you put an innocent man to death is far more embarrassing, and I could envision the prosecutor taking any steps possible to save face.

b) the fact that the court of law ruled against Davis doesn't exactly support your argument because we think that the court made a mistake in the first place by continuing to sentence Davis to death. You're essentially saying that the judgment of a court of law is always right and fair, and it doesn't work out that way in practice.

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Red Shifter posted...
like 10 years ago or something

i can't even remember. that's how little has changed

yeah, social networking tools and word of mouth works a lot faster these days. it's a small world now. people will be pissed about this if he's executed, a lot more than ten years ago.

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Rad Link 5 posted...
He's been granted a reprieve. He could be killed at any point up to seven days from now or given a stay before then.

The impression I got from that was "we can do it at any point in the next week, so we'll do it out of the blue so there won't be a huge hoarde of protesters and media swarming around"

I might be wrong and off on the details (do dates and times have to be declared well in advance?), but saying they could execute him at any point in the next 7 days sounds odd.

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I don't know Georgia's laws on execution, but I didn't get the impression they had to declare a time and date well in advance. So yeah, that's most likely what's going to happen.

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So he just died while I was reading that. Ugh.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #041
He's been granted a reprieve. He could be killed at any point up to seven days from now or given a stay before then.

Oh.

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the prosecutor's f'd either way right now. if they do kill him the heat he'll get will kill his career. if they don't... well at least he can recover. but still really bad spot.

short version goes he shouldn't have pushed it after the supreme court said their piece.

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SubDeity posted...
Article was good until reason 10 which was full of fail.

if we're going to be nitpicking irrelevant things

"fail" is a verb

not a f***ing noun

it can't be a fail, or an "epic fail", and it can't be full of fail either

"full of failure", maybe, but that's a really stupid, albeit grammatically correct, expression

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if we're going to be nitpicking irrelevant things

"fail" is a verb

not a f***ing noun

it can't be a fail, or an "epic fail", and it can't be full of fail either

"full of failure", maybe, but that's a really stupid, albeit grammatically correct, expression

If we're going to nitpick irrelevant things I may as well point out that you do not use proper capitalization or punctuation.

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