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(1) Twilight Sparkle From My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, Twilight Sparkle is an unicorn, tied to the element of magic. Combined with her studious nature, her racial knack for the art gives her a raw ability with magic not seen over a millennium. She is capable of telekinesis, brief bursts of teleportation, and the ability to transform inanimate objects and creatures alike to other things. This abilities become harder to control when under stress, however, and may backfire on her in times of extreme duress.
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(8)Bryan Mills From Taken, Bryan Mills is an expert ex-CIA hitman. A ruthless, calculating fighter, he is a master of close-combat techniques and a complete pragmatist when it comes to a brawl. He never shows a hesitance to fight dirty, hitting opponents where they are weak and aiming to kill whenever it is necessary. He is also a skilled shooter, and in spite of pushing late middle age or creeping into his old age, capable of sustaining knife and gunshot wounds and still fighting.
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Alright, I think I've got a pretty convincing argument lined up here. My wife being a big fan of the show, and watching all the episodes multiple times with me in the room is finally paying off.
First things first, let's get three things that will be brought up for Twilight out of the way: the first being Twilight going "Ponyta" in the episode "Feeling Pinkie Keen". As was pointed out in the discussion topic, but I feel bares repeating, this is NOT Twilight showing the ability to suddenly shoot fire from her body. This was a cartoon visual gag, in line with a character's head turning into a steam whistle. It's not an actual ability of hers. The second is that bubble she produced in the episode that debuted today: "The Return of Harmony - Part 2". This point shouldn't be too confusing, but let's make it perfectly clear; said bubble was a bubble of friendship, as was clearly shown by it erasing a tiny bit of chaos when it landed on the ground. It is not a projectile shield that she can carry around with her. The third is Twilight's powers going haywire and superpowerful in "The Cutie Mark Chronicles", where she turns Spike from egg to huge dragon, her parents into stone, and does some other wacky, insane things before Celestia calms her. Now, this is obviously a latent power that COULD be delved into, but it's not really possible in this scenario. This only happened to Twilight during a time of high stress, while subsequently exposed to the Sonic Rainboom. While stress, if the battle were prolonged, would be possible, the Sonic Rainboom is not happening in this fight, period. Not to mention I don't think this fight would be prolonged. More on that in a second.
Next, there are no guns in the MLP universe. Bryan's pistol a completely foreign object to Twilight. That alone will cause her some problems, at least with sudden confusion. Now, if she could see the bullets coming, I have few doubts Twilight would be able to stop them. But that's just it; she won't see the bullets. Once again referring to "Feeling Pinkie Keen", Twilight was clearly shown to not have sufficient reaction time to avoid an opening door, even after ample warning from Pinkie Pie. Also, in the episode "Stare Master", while not shown on camera, Twilight is seen having been turned to stone by the cockatrice, meaning she was not quick enough (Or not knowledgable enough on the beast, either of which applies to this argument in the form of the gun) to avoid its gaze. This, combined with the general naivity that she is shown to have throughout the series (The best example of which would be "The Return of Harmony - Part 1", in which she can't sense something that is clearly wrong with her friends), makes the thought of her being able to figure out what a gun does and prepare for an incoming bullet coming in at ~950 MPH in the time it will take Bryan to pull the trigger very unlikely.
And there's an extra factor here as to why this wouldn't happen; Bryan would pull that trigger ASAP. If ANYTHING is shown in Taken besides Bryan Mills' perserverance, it is his quickness to react. He does not do the typical action hero move of letting the bad guy make a deal or do a monologue; Hell, he barely let's a single word escape the "final boss"'s mouth before popping him in the head. He would end the fight as fast as he could. You see, I do indeed think Twilight would win if this went beyond these first few stages. But it wouldn't.
So, in conclusion, I am under the firm belief that Bryan Mills would ultimately win this fight.
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And yes, Bryan is pretty unique in his refusal to play by action movie rules. As said, he took down the big bad of Taken by popping him in the head while he was monologuing
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I think Bryan would be too dumbstruck seeing Twilight and go "WTF?"
plus Twilight can teleport and just turn him into a tree or something.
This is so against Bryan's personality that it hurts. I watched taken back when it premiered and have not seen it again, and I STILL remember that the dude does not act like that. Like...this couldn't possibly more wrong if you tried to argue Dumbledore casting Avada Kedavra or something. It's anti-character and you should feel bad for arguing this and voting on this basis. Your vote will still count, but it has a base that is BEYOND terrible.
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Basically, he's Jason Bourne, except older and even more of a combat pragmatist. He will do what he has to in order to put you down as fast as possible
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From: DeathChicken | #012 Basically, he's Jason Bourne, except older and even more of a combat pragmatist. He will do what he has to in order to put you down as fast as possible
This. He trades some of Bourne's agility and raw physical skills for more training and cold-bloodedness.
Bryan Mills BTW. Let's do this mercy.
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From: Pokewars | #015 She doesn't have to be near him to take him out.
Neither does he. Unless you think a gun isn't a ranged weapon.
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1. Twilight always takes a few seconds to do whatever spell she's trying to do. 2. Transforming objects takes complete concentration on said object by both the transformer and the transformee. 3. There's no such thing as weaponry in MLP at all (Unless you count apple pies), so she's not even going to know what it is until it's too late (See: Rule 8)
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In this case, it depends on who would be faster on the draw. Twilight Sparkle would obviously win if she could get a spell off, but that would require Bryan not shooting her first, which he is inclined to do
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^ I still don't see Bryan shooting right off the bat at Twilight. I mean this guy fights like hardened criminals and **** right? Would he see a MLP and just go all out and not be dumbfounded at all?
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From: Pirateking2000 | #023 ^ I still don't see Bryan shooting right off the bat at Twilight. I mean this guy fights like hardened criminals and **** right? Would he see a MLP and just go all out and not be dumbfounded at all?
Combatants know they have to win a fight by rules. Yes.
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From: Pirateking2000 | #023 ^ I still don't see Bryan shooting right off the bat at Twilight. I mean this guy fights like hardened criminals and **** right? Would he see a MLP and just go all out and not be dumbfounded at all?
He wasn't confused by a man dressed up like an Ottoman sultan, and didn't even let him finish his first word of his monologue before braining him.
If he knows he's in a fight (Which he does, according to what was just said), he's going to go for the win ASAP.
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Combatants know they have to win a fight by rules. Yes.
Yes I know, doesn't mean they can't be momentarily dumbfounded. Kinda like those fights in super tournaments where the guy comes out and sees a little girl with a lollipop. Sure he knows he has to beat her but doesn't mean he might not stand there for a few seconds going "....Really..what?" (then proceeds to get smacked through a wall by her)
but thats just my thoughts about it lmao.
Yes and weird random made up example lmao
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From: Pirateking2000 | #029 Combatants know they have to win a fight by rules. Yes.
Yes I know, doesn't mean they can't be momentarily dumbfounded. Kinda like those fights in super tournaments where the guy comes out and sees a little girl with a lollipop. Sure he knows he has to beat her but doesn't mean he might not stand there for a few seconds going "....Really..what?" (then proceeds to get smacked through a wall by her)
but thats just my thoughts about it lmao.
Yes and weird random made up example lmao
By this logic Twilight should be equally confused by a human being.
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From: Silverliner182V | #026 i'm pretty sure a MLP would try to be friends instead of attacking outright
She's had no problems actually fighting before. While Twilight probably wouldn't want to kill anyone, she wouldn't have any problem going for a nonlethal win. Hence the catcus. She'll take good care of that cactus too!
From: Pirateking2000 | #031 He probably just thought the guy was a nutjob (which he was probably right) and didn't bother with the monologue.
Guy sure didn't seem crazy; he was just a fatass who bought sex slaves.
From: Pirateking2000 | #032 judging by how people make him sound he sounds scary. I think she would know he was hostile / be on guard.
I wish you'd see Taken; not only would it help in debating this fight, but it's also a damn good movie. Because he really isn't outwardly different than any other human.
Basically, you can't use the argument that she'll be hostile because he's a human, while he'll stand around dumbfounded because she's a horse.
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Twilight Sparkle won't live through a gunshot, and he's going to just shoot it and get it over with immediately. I'd be much more inclined to believe if anyone's gonna be held up at all on attacking at first sight, it's the pony.
That, and shooting a bullet goes faster than casting a spell a lot of times.
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Twilight Sparkle won't live through a gunshot, and he's going to just shoot it and get it over with immediately. I'd be much more inclined to believe if anyone's gonna be held up at all on attacking at first sight, it's the pony.
That, and shooting a bullet goes faster than casting a spell a lot of times.
Gunner > mage even here huh
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From: Natwaf_akidna | #036 Odd choice for an MPFC candidate.
Brian Mills that is.
I always nominate him when I have the chance. Taken's my favorite movie, and I like spreading pub for it.
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From: DeathChicken | #038 I really wish this were Bryan vs Ocelot. That fight would have been frigging amazing
Ocelot wins in a laugher. Not exactly my idea of amazing. Ocelot is way way way above Bryan, at least this is a vaguely competitive matchup.
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From: KanzarisKelshen | #041 Ocelot wins in a laugher. Not exactly my idea of amazing. Ocelot is way way way above Bryan, at least this is a vaguely competitive matchup.
Yeah, this. Funny, because both are two of my favorite characters in all of media.
I don't think it would end immediately, but Ocelot can pull off those trick ricochet shots and rapid fire his SAA.
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Not really. The big advantage Ocelot has over Bryan is that he obviously won't miss if he shoots. But he's also very prone to monologuing, which we know Bryan loves abusing to put a bullet in your face. I could easily see Ocelot being caught off guard, and if Ocelot can't immediately kill him, it becomes a very even fight
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From: DeathChicken | #043 Not really. The big advantage Ocelot has over Bryan is that he obviously won't miss if he shoots. But he's also very prone to monologuing, which we known Bryan loves abusing to put a bullet in your face. I could easily see Ocelot being caught off guard, and if Ocelot can't immediately kill him, it becomes a very even fight
Ocelot loves gloating, but he isn't dumb and he's a ridiculous gunfighter. He could legitimately shoot Bryan's bullets in midair and make them ricochet into his brains.
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Anyway, I'm having trouble picturing this fight, because so much rests on why Bryan is here. If he were in a tournament to save his daughter, he'd just shoot the damn horse in the head a split second in. We've also seen what he does in other situations where the opponent was presenting a threat, like that dude with the knife at the concert (he grabbed him and broke his arm). So does he go in knowing Twilight Sparkle is a threat, and if so, how much of a threat? What's his motivation?
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From: DeathChicken | #045 Anyway, I'm having trouble picturing this fight, because so much rests on why Bryan is here. If he were in a tournament to save his daughter, he'd just shoot the damn horse in the head a split second in. We've also seen what he does in other situations where the opponent was presenting a threat, like that dude with the knife at the concert (he grabbed him and broke his arm). So does he go in knowing Twilight Sparkle is a threat, and if so, how much of a threat? What's his motivation?
He knows he has to beat Twilight to win. What reasons he has for that are up to you. He has no info about what she can do. So basically, this post is two pieces fact and one piece interp, if that helps any.
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Couldn't Twilight also uses Telekenesis and just screw him over. How good is his aim (assuming she didn't disarm him already) if he were being flung around.
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From: Pirateking2000 | #047 Couldn't Twilight also uses Telekenesis and just screw him over. How good is his aim (assuming she didn't disarm him already) if he were being flung around.
Well, as far as disarming goes, remember, no prior knowledge of the opponent before the match, so again, she won't know what a gun is, and that it's even a weapon.
And even if the match went to the point where she could try this, she's never been show to use telekinesis on non-sleeping living thing, IIRC. If she could do that, why didn't she just use this power to wrangle her friends in the episode that came out this morning, as opposed to having her friends hold them down?
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Urgh. Well, I'm gonna assume then that Bryan is approaching this like one of his CIA jobs. Meaning he'll do what he has to, although he probably won't go full on killbot mode unless his daughter is on the line
I could actually see him having a moment of confusion, at his goal being to beat a ****ing horse. Unfortunately, I don't really see Twilight Sparkle being ruthless enough to take advantage of that, and Bryan will recover and shoot her. Thanks for coming
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Wow. Did not expect MLP:FIM to get a character in this contest. That said, looking at everything laid out here, Twilight Sparkle seems like the obvious choice, because magic > guns.
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