Board 8 > Most Powerful Fictional Character 2011: Accelerator vs. New Son Gambit [MPFC]

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KanzarisKelshen
09/25/11 5:34:00 PM
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(4) Accelerator
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From A Certain Magical Index, Accelerator is an esper who has the power of vector control. This power can be used in several ways, including redirection of vectors (such as reversing blood flow, ripping off skin, etc.), crushing the earth around him, vector shooting, wind control, plasma storms (created by further compressing wind at a single point), kinetic blasts (by taking control of the planet’s rotational vectors and transferring energy into an attack - doing this once slowed the earth’s rotation by about five minutes), brain hacking (redirecting electrical signals allows him to rewrite memories / personality), and flight. He also has an anti-magic field. The redirection ability is passive and occurs at light speed. Accelerator himself is capable of moving at hypersonic speeds (Mach 10), and in his most recent form has tanked an attack that would have destroyed all of Europe and Asia.

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(5) New Son gambit
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From X-Men, the New Son is a version of Gambit who has unlocked his full potential. As an Omega class mutant, he has incredible powers, having defeated the Dark Phoenix by himself. The New Sun has tremendous mastery of space (but not time), possessing the ability to travel to various universes to prevent other versions of him from ever unlocking their full powers, as well as peering into them. He is capable of controlling kinetic energy down to the molecular level, tapping into anything's potential energy to make it explode, and stop an enemy's motion, or conversely for him to keep moving for as long as he wishes, as well as duplicate various other types of energy (such as causing extreme cold by lowering the amount of kinetic energy in an area).

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KanzarisKelshen
09/25/11 5:51:00 PM
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So yeah. Barring convincing Accelerator arguments, the New Sun cooks him.

'what a great match'

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Silencer S
09/25/11 5:57:00 PM
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New Son Gambit was always an interesting character... a Phoenix-slayer should never be taken lightly, that's for sure.

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GANON1025
09/25/11 6:07:00 PM
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New Son Gambit

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Natwaf_akidna
09/25/11 6:11:00 PM
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Not sure what Accelerator would do against making potential energy explode really.

New Son Gambit

Heh, forgot to vote. Also, is it Son or Sun? Also how curious how he beat Dark Phoenix

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Natwaf_akidna
09/25/11 6:24:00 PM
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Well Accelerator redirects direction, no matter how fast/strong it is. Making energy explode sounds like it doesn't need to be directed though, and this Gambit can just stop motion.

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Pirateking2000
09/25/11 6:26:00 PM
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When last I heard of Accelerator in this people made him out to be pretty strong

however this New Son Gambit guy apparently took on Dark Phoenix

So leaning New Son Gambit for now until arguments.

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Drakeryn
09/25/11 6:26:00 PM
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How does New Son Gambit's energy manipulation work? I'm wondering if Accelerator would be able to deflect it.

Also, a note on the writeup -- it says that Accelerator "in his most recent form has tanked an attack that would have destroyed all of Europe and Asia." From prior arguments, I seem to remember that he survived that attack, but was incapacitated afterward for a significant length of time. Can anyone confirm/deny this?


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KanzarisKelshen
09/25/11 6:31:00 PM
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From: Natwaf_akidna | #004
Not sure what Accelerator would do against making potential energy explode really.

New Son Gambit

Heh, forgot to vote. Also, is it Son or Sun? Also how curious how he beat Dark Phoenix


Both, actually.

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Pirateking2000
09/25/11 6:42:00 PM
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any Accelerator arguments?

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FL81
09/25/11 6:48:00 PM
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Need arguments, but leaning towards New Son Gambit for now.

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Silencer S
09/25/11 6:54:00 PM
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Heh, forgot to vote. Also, is it Son or Sun? Also how curious how he beat Dark Phoenix


IIRC, he killed his Universe's avatar of the Phoenix Force before coming to the main Marvel universe, so it was off-panel. Note that he didn't defeat Dark Phoenix, the title of whom refers to an insane Jean Grey channeling the Phoenix force.


TBH, I sort of doubt he could defeat a prime Dark Phoenix, but any avatar of the PF is pretty powerful.

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Natwaf_akidna
09/25/11 6:59:00 PM
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Just noticed the mistake. D'oh >_<

Man off panel with no explanation? Lame.

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Silencer S
09/25/11 7:00:00 PM
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Yeah, it happened well-before the character was introduced in the 616, but I could have just missed the comic. I'll dig a bit deeper.

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edwardsdv
09/25/11 7:09:00 PM
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Well I think the Accelerator could probably brainhack New Son into not wanting to fight him if he could buy enough time.

as for how he'd do that, his powers do offer a lot of control, but New Son has powerful space control that would probably trump anything Accelerator could do to buy time...yeah im not seeing it.

New Son

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Durandi
09/25/11 7:42:00 PM
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New Son Gambit

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Pirateking2000
09/25/11 7:51:00 PM
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hmm

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pikapika212
09/25/11 10:00:00 PM
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Hmmmm...

Too bad I never read the novels to support Accelerator.....

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WickIebee
09/25/11 10:12:00 PM
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Eh... This is everything Accelerator not being able to do anything...

New Son Gambit

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Pram_the_Oracle
09/25/11 10:45:00 PM
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I only know Accelerator from the anime and manga, and neither reached the part where he tanked that attack.

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pikapika212
09/25/11 11:49:00 PM
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It's probably the war in Russia where he tanked the attacks, although I think he got curb stomp by an angel code named dragon or something?

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Pirateking2000
09/26/11 6:14:00 AM
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bump for a possible mercy (shrug)

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DeathChicken
09/26/11 6:21:00 AM
#23:


Gambit

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XIII_rocks
09/26/11 7:38:00 AM
#24:


DeathChicken posted...
Gambit
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Gatarix
09/26/11 7:52:00 AM
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Anyway, in the absence of any argument that New Son Gambit's attacks could be considered vector, Gambit.


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Sceptilesolarbeam
09/26/11 8:10:00 AM
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What exactly does the 'make someone explode with potential energy' mean?

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Mumei
09/26/11 9:13:00 AM
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I don't know enough about either character. Are there any good arguments for Accelerator? I'm thinking Gambit, if not.


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Pram_the_Oracle
09/26/11 9:15:00 AM
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If Gambit uses projectiles or tries to melee Accelerator, he can just redirect them. Though I doubt Gambit would get hurt, and the make potential energy explode doesn't sound like it needs direction.

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DeathChicken
09/26/11 9:17:00 AM
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Sceptilesolarbeam posted...
What exactly does the 'make someone explode with potential energy' mean?

He turns the potential energy of a person or thing into kinetic energy, causing it to go boom

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DeathChicken
09/26/11 9:19:00 AM
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And no, unlike standard Gambit, he doesn't need to make any contact to do this. He just kind of does it

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KanzarisKelshen
09/26/11 9:42:00 AM
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From: XIII_rocks | #024
DeathChicken posted...
Gambit


Needs bolding because normal quoting is a bunch of lol, though it will be counted anyway since this is the site screwing things up.

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Pirateking2000
09/26/11 9:47:00 AM
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how many more for mercy?

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KanzarisKelshen
09/26/11 9:49:00 AM
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3.

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Pirateking2000
09/26/11 10:01:00 AM
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mmk

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The Utility Man
09/26/11 10:05:00 AM
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New Son Gambit

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Sceptilesolarbeam
09/26/11 10:22:00 AM
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I guess Gambit wins just because energy isn't a vector.

Gambit

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Mr Crispy
09/26/11 11:32:00 AM
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Well IIRC Accelerator's shields automatically block light, sound, heat, electricity, gravity, radiation, etc.. unless he allows it to affect him (so he could breathe, or hear other people for example). It's why he looks like an albino and doesn't have much muscle mass.

However the way the shield works is that when an attack or wave or particle or whatever gets within a certain range of him, its direction and speed is reversed reflecting the vector of movement 180 degrees. It's pretty much an automatic reflex and works even if he's sleeping or unconscious. Though at the same time the way his ESP was trained by Kihara, this technique was designed with an intentional flaw against attacks that can redirect themselves in the event they needed to subdue Accelerator. Accelerator got the crap beaten out of him by Kihara in season 2, because he knew how his powers worked and their effective range, and pulled his punches at the last possible second so they would be reflected right into Accelerator's face. Not sure if he tried to fix this weakness later on though.

And I don't think his shields would do any good against anything that would manipulate his matter directly. >_>

Another problem is that he's still human and still needs to breathe. I remember it was said in the manga that he could theoretically survive a direct hit with a nuclear weapon with no ill effects. But he'd still be at risk of suffocating to death standing around inside a huge explosion. At least, it came up when Misaka was trying to break down the oxygen in the air to get him to pass out, and he countered by causing a dust explosion.

I can't really say anything about him and his powers past what the anime covers since I haven't read the novels. Though I don't think there's really anything he could do in this situation.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
09/26/11 11:45:00 AM
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Uhh even if Accelerator put up his shields, wouldn't New Son just pop him from the inside?

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KanzarisKelshen
09/26/11 11:46:00 AM
#39:


To quote Roy Orbison...

MERCY!

Now if you'll excuse me I'll put Pretty Woman on the playlist and go get the new topic up.

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