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Past Results: After a streak of rather tense matchups, New Son Gambit's annihilation of Accelerator provided a much needed reset on the match start time, as well as some time to prepare for the battles to come. Votals: 0-15.
(3) Time Trapper Prime From DC Comics, the Time Trapper is one of the most vicious foes the Legion of Superheroes have ever faced. This incarnation of him is Superman Prime, a Superman with the powers exhibited by his main-universe Silver Age counterpart. Coupled to his overwhelming physical and mental might, his powers as the Time Trapper (Which include time-travel; Freezing and altering time; Sending beings across a timeline or aging/de-aging them, as well as turning them into protoplasmic slime; Slicing fractions of time out of the time stream to make his own pocket universes, equal in size to the real cosmos and warping the timestream to connect this pocket universe to any point in time he desires; And last but not least, creating barriers that prevent time travel), makes him into a calamitous force that required the combined efforts of several multiverses of heroes to defeat. Time Trapper Prime also possesses various other powers like levitation, size manipulation, telekinesis, telepathy and teleportation.
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(6) Jesse Custer From Preacher, Jesse Custer is a Texas reverend whose soul is bonded to a supernatural creature named Genesis, granting him the Word of God. His verbal commands, if heard and understood, cannot be resisted by any means or by any being, no matter their level of power, and must be obeyed directly (this has extended to Jesse commanding an opponent with a gun to his head to 'Miss', forcing the otherwise unstoppable Saint of Killers to turn and walk away, and commanding a man to literally 'Go **** yourself'). Jesse also possesses excellent hand to hand skills, capable of defeating vampires and legions of special forces soldiers with his bare hands, and is a great shot with a gun.
This match comes down to TTP's approach to fighting. I highly, HIGHLY respect Custer's Word of God - suffice is to say I'd have to flip a coin to decide if it could affect The Host, to give you an idea of how high my respect for it is. If TTP screws around a little Jesse has this. If he's a speedblitzer there isn't anything Custer can do to win.
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Er, well, this *all* depends on if Prime would give Custer enough time to talk to him. Since it doesn't matter how tough you are, unless you're literally omnipotent, you can't resist the Word
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KanzarisKelshen posted... From: DeathChicken | #004 Er, well, this *all* depends on if Prime would give Custer enough time to talk to him. Since it doesn't matter how tough you are, unless you're literally omnipotent, you can't resist the Word ...Welp, make that "I'd take The Word of God over Sarda" if that's the description. So it can't quite affect the Host, but ANYTHING below it is fair game and it can really, really win this in a second, except maybe Yuki Nagato.
Incidentally, I'm totally hoping both upset picks pay off today and tomorrow. Just imagine the run either of the upsetees could make, people.
Aren't there characters from universes without English? I know if you don't speak English, it doesn't affect you.
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From: DeathChicken | #004 Er, well, this *all* depends on if Prime would give Custer enough time to talk to him. Since it doesn't matter how tough you are, unless you're literally omnipotent, you can't resist the Word
...Welp, make that "I'd take The Word of God over Sarda" if that's the description. So it can't quite affect the Host, but ANYTHING below him (except maybe Yuki Nagato) is fair game and it can win this with ease.
Incidentally, I'm totally hoping both upset picks pay off today and tomorrow. Just imagine the run either of the upsetees could make, people.
EDIT: Forgot to ask, wasn't Preacher DC published? If so, doesn't that mean the Word of God is more powerful than even The Presence?
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From: Anagram | #006 KanzarisKelshen posted... From: DeathChicken | #004 Er, well, this *all* depends on if Prime would give Custer enough time to talk to him. Since it doesn't matter how tough you are, unless you're literally omnipotent, you can't resist the Word ...Welp, make that "I'd take The Word of God over Sarda" if that's the description. So it can't quite affect the Host, but ANYTHING below it is fair game and it can really, really win this in a second, except maybe Yuki Nagato.
Incidentally, I'm totally hoping both upset picks pay off today and tomorrow. Just imagine the run either of the upsetees could make, people.
Aren't there characters from universes without English? I know if you don't speak English, it doesn't affect you.
Darsh doesn't speak english AFAIK, but Rocky does, and I think the Anti-Spiral can understand it.
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^ Thing with AS is he probably wouldn't even show up himself for Jesse to talk to him and would just mugann Jesse lol (AS works as only getting involved personally if his many "kill this ****" plans fail first)
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From: Pirateking2000 | #008 ^ Thing with AS is he probably wouldn't even show up himself for Jesse to talk to him and would just mugann Jesse lol (AS works as only getting involved personally if his many "kill this ****" plans fail first)
But he has no plans for MPFC. No pre-match prep time, remember?
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Which is more than he's gonna get against the Word of God if Custer makes it that far. If Custer redtexts you, that is IT. No extra chances, no nothing.
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From: saveus_Maria | #012 how likely would Jesse Custer be to just immediately open up with a lethal Word of God command without knowing anything about his opponents strength?
He's conservative about the WoG. He talks about it like a gun and how using it indiscriminately is a bad thing. If TTP starts acting like a superpowered maniac though he'll go straight to WoGging him.
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I'm inclined to think that when confronted by a guy who looks just like *Superman* (and a pissed off one at that), Custer would know not to mess around here
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From: DeathChicken | #017 I'm inclined to think that when confronted by a guy who looks just like *Superman* (and a pissed off one at that), Custer would know not to mess around here
But why would TTP looking like Superman matter anyway? Unless Custer has knowledge of Supes?
(Also, he doesn't exactly look like Superman. He wears a robe and his S is carved in blood on his chest, and he has no fancy underwear over his pants)
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Also, I remember Jesse being kind of hypocritical in his 'Abusing the Word is bad' stance, since I'm pretty sure he used it to make some radio callers he was on the phone with crap themselves uncontrollably. All they did was piss him off
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This basically comes down to whether Jesse would know to use Word of God and if Prime would give him a chance to do it. Regular Prime would just rip Jesse apart, but Time Trapper Prime was a bit older and smarter and so might have a conversation first.
If they actually fight, Prime obliterates. If Jesse's the kind of guy who will let his opponents get a few shots in to judge their power before making him obey his commands, then he dies.
From: DeathChicken | #019 Also, I remember Jesse being kind of hypocritical in his 'Abusing the Word is bad' stance, since I'm pretty sure he used it to make some radio callers he was on the phone with crap themselves uncontrollably. All they did was piss him off
To be fair, Custer grows up as he goes IIRC. He becomes more and more mature/balanced as he keeps running into nazis and stuff.
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From: DeathChicken | #021 Admittedly, I'm only presuming Jesse would know who Superman is, given they're in the same universe and all. Though it is Vertigo, so who knows
Preacher isn't DCU.
Also it's funny, base Superboy Prime would actually be much better in this matchup, because he would just simply not pay attention to what Jesse was saying.
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Then again, Vertigo frequently crosses over with DC proper (main thing that comes to mind is Dr. Destiny, who fought the Justice League, then Morpheus over in Sandman, and then Batman at Arkham Asylum)
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From: DeathChicken | #021 Admittedly, I'm only presuming Jesse would know who Superman is, given they're in the same universe and all. Though it is Vertigo, so who knows
Blargh, gorram Vertigo screwing things up. There's precedent for and against so I think we shouldn't assume anything. Let's just say it's interp if Jesse knows or not.
So yeah, we still need info on Prime. This STILL depends on him.
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From: DeathChicken | #024 Then again, Vertigo frequently crosses over with DC proper (main thing that comes to mind is Dr. Destiny, who fought the Justice League, then Morpheus over in Sandman, and then Batman at Arkham Asylum)
Or Books of Magic. dat Constantine plus Phatom Stranger.
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From: DeathChicken | #027 Yeah, again, it all depends on if Prime would stand around and monologue at Jesse. If he does, he's screwed. Probably literally
'literally' the only command I would accept from Jesse to beat TTP. I mean, we called it in the very first topic! :P
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We've also seen Jesse use the Word defensively, telling people to 'Sleep', and to 'Miss' (the second of which caused a guy who had a gun point blank to his head to compulsively not hit him)
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if Jesse used a nonlethal defensive command on him don't you think Time Trapper Prime's immediate response would be to realize that 'oh hey this guy has the ability to control my actions with verbal commands I should do something immediately'
even if Jesse gave a specific command like "Don't kill me" as soon as he saw this dangerous dude, Time Trapper Prime still has other non-lethal methods of defeating him just by looking at his write-up
Mean, we've already seen what Jesse did to Saint of Killers, the utterly unstoppable killing machine who nothing could apparently hurt. He told him to 'Go away'. That pissed Saint off incredibly, but away he went
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I didn't say he would resist it, did I? I said if Jesse didn't use a lethal command right away then Time Trapper Prime knows what his power is and knows he has to neutralize him as quickly as possible, which means unless Jesse somehow KNOWS that he needs to use a lethal command immediately and end the fight without having any prior knowledge of his opponent, his using the Word of God is just as likely to work against him.
It's worth pointing out that the Saint of Killers killed God. As in, Capital G, the Almighty, blah blah blah, insert aliases as you wish. Granted that God wasn't at full power because he wasn't on his throne rubbing his Holy Sceptre or whatever, but that's still really powerful (imagine a Last Days of Foxhound Ocelot, except he could undeniably kill Urza with one shot and be faster on the draw too and does it so easily he mercies him). TTP isn't getting off the hook easy if Jesse WoGs him.
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From: saveus_Maria | #034 I didn't say he would resist it, did I? I said if Jesse didn't use a lethal command right away then Time Trapper Prime knows what his power is and knows he has to neutralize him as quickly as possible, which means unless Jesse somehow KNOWS that he needs to use a lethal command immediately and end the fight without having any prior knowledge of his opponent, his using the Word of God is just as likely to work against him.
If he tells TTP "go **** yourself" that will give him enough time to do as many commands as he wishes. The issue isn't if a command can shut TTP down because it will - it's whether Jesse will even get a chance to talk.
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so if TTP is having sex with himself does that stop him from using his power to go back in time to before Jesse Custer told him to do that and melting his face off?
Again, doesn't really have to be a specifically lethal command. If Jesse tells TTP to 'Sleep', it's not like he'll be going 'Gee, I'd better wake up and get serious'. He'll...be asleep
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does he know that 'Sleep' is the command he'll need to use to win this match or is he just as likely to use some other command which might not be as effective? I mean, it'd be great if it was you fighting with Jesse Custer's powers but that isn't the case here
Or if he pulled another Saint and told him to 'Go away', the fight's over. Saint *wanted* to fight back and kill Jesse after that, but he couldn't. Nothing to do but go away
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From: DeathChicken | #038 Again, doesn't really have to be a specifically lethal command. If Jesse tells TTP to 'Sleep', it's not like he'll be going 'Gee, I'd better wake up and get serious'. He'll...be asleep
Just to clear it up DC, did the WoG block off other actions from happening (i. e. like a Geass causing someone to do pushups until he dies)? I think that's what Lisel wants to know.
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the way I see it Jesse Custer has a few commands that could cause him to win the fight, some others which would probably result in him losing, and we're getting no indication that he'd be any more likely to use the ones that cause him to win -- nor are these more numerous than the commands which would cause him to be more likely to lose
on top of that, Time Trapper Prime's level of raw power seems to be massively greater to the point where if Custer doesn't open immediately with WoG in the first place he would probably kill him even if he didn't mean to
COULD Jesse Custer win? it's possible
but it seems way more likely to me that TTP would win in most cases
I'm not seeing what commands would particularly make Jesse lose. 'Sleep'? Win. Prime's asleep. 'Die?'. Prime's dead. 'Go away?'. Barring something like Prime creatively interpreting the command to still make a fight of it (which is apparently impossible, if Saint is any indication), Prime's gone away
As funny as the thought is, I doubt Jesse would open up with something like 'Go **** yourself', since that was reserved for a guy that had been chasing him around for ages and *really* pissed him off
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This is keeping in mind that Saint is the guy who, like Ocelot, doesn't even have to really aim at you to kill you. He shoots, and his bullets will do the job of chasing you forever, through solid objects, until you are dead. If he had any way at all out of the 'Go away' command, he surely would have used it. Point the gun and shoot. Jesse would have died. Fact was, he couldn't
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From: HeroDelTiempo17 | #042 You know, I bet Prime could even turn "Go away" into a victory for him.
Jesse: Go away. Prime: Okay. *Prime flies through the center of the planet and blows it up*
Prime victory.
There is no planet.
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I don't buy that he would open up the fight by telling him to Die, so that's discarded. I don't think Go Away would win him the fight, since TTP has time travel. Sleep would probably count as an incap, sure.
Also forgive me for being cynical but I have pretty close to 0 faith in Jesse Custer fans that they will actually share every single command that Jesse Custer would open up a fight by using rather than just saying the few that they think would win him the fight, so there are likely options being excluded here as well.
Also from everything that I've read about the character (just did some research myself), it says he doesn't like to use his Word of God, keeping it in reserve -- Which is exactly in line with what Kan said earlier in this topic, so I'm way more likely to buy that.
I'm actually still in the air as to who would win this, so I'm not exactly biased (still waiting for an account of Prime's personality. Prime wins if he blitzes without stopping to bull**** like a supervillain, loses if does stop)
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...What? If you're saying the battlefield isn't located on some sort of planet, that would be news to me. This certainly wouldn't be the first time destruction of the planet has been argued in an MPFC, but as far as I can remember, it WOULD be the first time the host has attempted to claim that there's no planet to destroy.
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Also not seeing how time travel would bail Prime out from a Go Away command. Seems like if he used that, he'd...er, go away through time. Still has to follow the command to the letter
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