Board 8 > Bacon: 'Wouldn't really call them "historical characters" [Barkley] [ARG]

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WazzupGenius00
09/26/11 4:02:00 PM
#102:


Yeah, I never thought Master Hand was a joke entry

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transience
09/26/11 4:02:00 PM
#103:


wasn't the L-Block thing Ceej's doing?

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THEDavyJones
09/26/11 4:02:00 PM
#104:


literally getting upset over a video game contest

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WazzupGenius00
09/26/11 4:03:00 PM
#105:


L-Block I think was CJayC, but then you've still got Weighted Companion Cube, Sandbag, etc

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Cloud and Squall
09/26/11 4:03:00 PM
#106:


I'm guessing bacon is using a very strict definition of historical characters. i.e.; People who did not live in the modern era.

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FateStayAlbion
09/26/11 4:03:00 PM
#107:


charmander6000 posted...
The L Block contest had the best votes of any contest and was the most enjoyable.

A) Contest would've had the best votes regardless of L-Block
B) Due to the contest being something new and fresh it was already going to become enjoyable.


The final match had something crazy like 190k votes, something we've never gotten anywhere close to otherwise.

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TsunamiXXVIII
09/26/11 4:03:00 PM
#108:


Yeah, I think so. I wonder if Ceej would allow this.

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LOLContests
09/26/11 4:03:00 PM
#109:


And really, if Bacon didn't want this to happen, he shouldn't have opened the door. He made two new rules and has shot down several suggestions within the legal confines of those rules just because. He might as well have just said 'oh and you can nominate Dracula now' and left it at that.

I agree. I don't think any real people should be allowed in. I just like "lol"ing at sports fanboys.

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Cloud and Squall
09/26/11 4:05:00 PM
#110:


I think he should've made the rule:

"At least one member of the rivalry must have originated in a video game." I think that'd be more true to what he wants.

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TsunamiXXVIII
09/26/11 4:05:00 PM
#111:


Exactly. He opened up the rules, he should have to live with what comes of them.

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LOLContests
09/26/11 4:05:00 PM
#112:


I should put out that if it hadn't been for L-Block, Master Chief probably would have made the finals, which would have been a crazy upset in its own right.

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charmander6000
09/26/11 4:06:00 PM
#113:


The final match had something crazy like 190k votes, something we've never gotten anywhere close to otherwise.

So a bunch of people went on GameFAQs for a day. The big guys care about sustained viewers, not just a spike for a couple of days,

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Biolizard28
09/26/11 4:06:00 PM
#114:


From: Cloud and Squall | #110
I think he should've made the rule:

"At least one member of the rivalry must have originated in a video game." I think that'd be more true to what he wants.


Simon Belmont/Dracula
Any Castlevania protagonist/Dracula
... ?

So yeah, a Castlevania booster and nothing else.

Hell, it's not even necessary since OoE had an excellent not-Dracula rivalry.

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FateStayAlbion
09/26/11 4:06:00 PM
#115:


KamikazePotato posted...
And really, if Bacon didn't want this to happen, he shouldn't have opened the door. He made two new rules and has shot down several suggestions within the legal confines of those rules just because. He might as well have just said 'oh and you can nominate Dracula now' and left it at that.

We'll probably get in those Dynasty Warrior guys, but other then that, most of the "historical characters" he'll just write off as jokes, so that new rule does seem kinda pointless and just wastes peoples nominations.

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charmander6000
09/26/11 4:08:00 PM
#116:


Maybe people should just nominate real entrants instead of being random.

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TsunamiXXVIII
09/26/11 4:08:00 PM
#117:


LOLContests posted...
I should put out that if it hadn't been for L-Block, Master Chief probably would have made the finals, which would have been a crazy upset in its own right.

No he wouldn't have, because Chief wouldn't be able to beat Sonic, Squall, or whoever would've been the fourth member of that L-Block/Snake/Sonic/Squall quarterfinal. (Well, okay, maybe the fourth member, but there's no way that the fourth member beats out Sonic and Squall anyway.)

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SlymDayspring
09/26/11 4:09:00 PM
#118:


frankly I am just amazed the admins gave us a contest at all- expecting them to allow whatever we like is just really expecting too much of them. though, i dunno why bacon doesn't just add in the rules a section that says he gets the final say on if a nomination counts.

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KamikazePotato
09/26/11 4:09:00 PM
#119:


THEDavyJones posted...
literally getting upset over a video game contest

I just dislike stupidity. If Bacon had responded with "the rule was meant to be historical figures that aren't currently alive, I hadn't considered this happening, sorry" I would've been fine. "I just don't want this in based on extremely shaky ground" is just awful. Guys like tran and charmander who don't really know what they're talking about just make things worse!

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Biolizard28
09/26/11 4:09:00 PM
#120:


I love the sudden 180 the board has done in only a few years.

First joke characters that broke the rules were so random and hilarious, no joke characters within the confines of the rules are pointless and we need to grow up.

lmfao

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LOLContests
09/26/11 4:09:00 PM
#121:


Is there anything known about the Dynasty Warrior guys other than that they existed and they were the leader of such and such army? Because if not, that's pretty different than public figures from the previous century.

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THEDavyJones
09/26/11 4:10:00 PM
#122:


SlymDayspring posted...
frankly I am just amazed the admins gave us a contest at all- expecting them to allow whatever we like is just really expecting too much of them. though, i dunno why bacon doesn't just add in the rules a section that says he gets the final say on if a nomination counts.

That seems fair to me.

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charmander6000
09/26/11 4:10:00 PM
#123:


No he wouldn't have, because Chief wouldn't be able to beat Sonic, Squall, or whoever would've been the fourth member of that L-Block/Snake/Sonic/Squall quarterfinal

You clearly weren't there during the game fuel. Master Chief almost defeated Solid Snake when people were trying to counter-rally L-Block. He would have had no problem with Sonic

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THEDavyJones
09/26/11 4:12:00 PM
#124:


KamikazePotato posted...
THEDavyJones posted...
literally getting upset over a video game contest

I just dislike stupidity.


And there's about a million stupider things that happened today.

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MonkClive0
09/26/11 4:12:00 PM
#125:


LOLContests posted...
Is there anything known about the Dynasty Warrior guys other than that they existed and they were the leader of such and such army? Because if not, that's pretty different than public figures from the previous century.

i'm pretty sure the characters and events of Charles Barkley Shut Up and Jam Gaiden have a bit of fiction in them as well

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KamikazePotato
09/26/11 4:13:00 PM
#126:


Nothing much that I saw, thankfully!

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transience
09/26/11 4:14:00 PM
#127:


I'm not sure how disallowing Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan from a best rivalry contest is stupidity! I hate to rely on the annoying 'u mad' thing, but it seems to really fit the bill here. there's really no reason to be this upset about Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan. it'd be cool if they were in but it's not the end of the world if they're not.

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ZFS
09/26/11 4:14:00 PM
#128:


LOLContests posted...
Is there anything known about the Dynasty Warrior guys other than that they existed and they were the leader of such and such army? Because if not, that's pretty different than public figures from the previous century.

The actual historical Liu Bei and Cao Cao that fought in China were major figures of their time, but their portrayal in Dynasty Warriors (and even in Romance of the Three Kingdoms, which the game is based on) is fictionalized to a large extent. They have very exaggerated personalities.

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Seisen_Kitsune
09/26/11 4:15:00 PM
#129:


If the rule was "entrants must not be currently alive" or "at least one fictional character" we could still get Bruce Lee/The Phantom or Michael Jackson/Mr. Big. You'd have to limit it to ancient history to get the type of noms he wants.

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FateStayAlbion
09/26/11 4:15:00 PM
#130:


charmander6000 posted...
Maybe people should just nominate real entrants instead of being random.

We want to take advantage of the rule changes, whats wrong with that? When a rule is changed to who is allowed, that opens up new characters to the contest, something that people have been wanting for a while.

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Biolizard28
09/26/11 4:15:00 PM
#131:


From: transience | #127
I'm not sure how disallowing Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan from a best rivalry contest is stupidity! I hate to rely on the annoying 'u mad' thing, but it seems to really fit the bill here. there's really no reason to be this upset about Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan. it'd be cool if they were in but it's not the end of the world if they're not.


Bacon sets the rules for nomination.

We find a fun and interesting entry to nominate.

He tells us we can't for some arbitrary rule he just made up, will likely allow pong paddles anyway.

Clearly we have no right to be a little upset.

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Dark Young Link
09/26/11 4:15:00 PM
#132:


If "historical" means "They were alive a long time ago and did stuff of importance" then yeah, they don't fall under that.


But both Charles and Michael have their place in history, seems unfair to not include them in this just because their real life versions happen to still be alive.

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THEDavyJones
09/26/11 4:15:00 PM
#133:


transience posted...
I'm not sure how disallowing Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan from a best rivalry contest is stupidity! I hate to rely on the annoying 'u mad' thing, but it seems to really fit the bill here. there's really no reason to be this upset about Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan. it'd be cool if they were in but it's not the end of the world if they're not.

I'm personally glad Jordan won't be in the contest just cause I hate Jordan. But that's just the Pistons fan in me.

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WazzupGenius00
09/26/11 4:16:00 PM
#134:


From: LOLContests | #121
Is there anything known about the Dynasty Warrior guys other than that they existed and they were the leader of such and such army? Because if not, that's pretty different than public figures from the previous century.


there are some actual historical records about them.

In fact I'd say that the depictions of Liu Bei and Cao Cao in Dynasty Warriors are less fictionalized than the depictions of Barkley and Jordan in Shut Up and Jam.

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transience
09/26/11 4:16:00 PM
#135:


need Bill Laimbeer from Bill Laimbeer's combat basketball

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THEDavyJones
09/26/11 4:17:00 PM
#136:


transience posted...
need Bill Laimbeer from Bill Laimbeer's combat basketball

I approve of Bill Laimbeer being in the contest.

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TsunamiXXVIII
09/26/11 4:17:00 PM
#137:


ZFS posted...
The actual historical Liu Bei and Cao Cao that fought in China were major figures of their time, but their portrayal in Dynasty Warriors (and even in Romance of the Three Kingdoms, which the game is based on) is fictionalized to a large extent. They have very exaggerated personalities.

And BSUAJG is a futuristic RPG. So yeah, also heavily fictionalized.

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FateStayAlbion
09/26/11 4:18:00 PM
#138:


Message From FateStayAlbion on 09/26/2011



In the opening of Red Alert, Einstein kills Hitler, making them rivals by the context of the contest. They are also historical characters, which fit with the rules. So they should be eligible for the contest, but I just want to clarify with you if they are or not.

Message From GameFAQs on 09/26/2011

GameSpot already did it.

Kinda vague, but I guess that means they aren't eligible.

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TsunamiXXVIII
09/26/11 4:19:00 PM
#139:


Biolizard28 posted...
From: transience | #127
I'm not sure how disallowing Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan from a best rivalry contest is stupidity! I hate to rely on the annoying 'u mad' thing, but it seems to really fit the bill here. there's really no reason to be this upset about Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan. it'd be cool if they were in but it's not the end of the world if they're not.
Bacon sets the rules for nomination.

We find a fun and interesting entry to nominate.

He tells us we can't for some arbitrary rule he just made up, will likely allow pong paddles anyway.

Clearly we have no right to be a little upset.


Thank you.

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ZFS
09/26/11 4:19:00 PM
#140:


I can't say - I haven't played the game. Are people actually nominating Charles Barkley and Michael Jordon based on that game, or is it just taking advantage of the rule so two basketball players can be in a game-related rivalry contest?

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ZenOfThunder
09/26/11 4:20:00 PM
#141:


from what I understand the game is actually great

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WazzupGenius00
09/26/11 4:20:00 PM
#142:


Based on the game.

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Biolizard28
09/26/11 4:20:00 PM
#143:


From: ZFS | #140
I can't say - I haven't played the game. Are people actually nominating Charles Barkley and Michael Jordon based on that game, or is it just taking advantage of the rule so two basketball players can be in a game-related rivalry contest?


Does it matter if it's within the confines of the written rules?

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MonkClive0
09/26/11 4:22:00 PM
#144:


ZFS posted...
I can't say - I haven't played the game. Are people actually nominating Charles Barkley and Michael Jordon based on that game, or is it just taking advantage of the rule so two basketball players can be in a game-related rivalry contest?

the game is pretty great and well-written, i really don't care about sports in the real world

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transience
09/26/11 4:22:00 PM
#145:


great is pushing it - it's a fun little parody game.

if Barkley Gaiden was a 'legit' game and not just a popular rpgmaker project, they'd probably be in. this is a silly unlicensed comedy game that actually ends up being pretty fun. I get why you guys are trying to compare it to Dynasty Warriors and stuff, but it's just to find a loophole. you don't actually think Barkley vs. Jordan is a great rivalry for the ages. it's just funny to think of it that way and you want it in. that makes sense, but so does disallowing it for that same reason.

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GANON1025
09/26/11 4:22:00 PM
#146:


It's no worse than DW fans nominating Liu Bei/Cao Cao only because they are they want a DW group in the contest, and don't really care who it is (and were actually trying to stretch what "rivalry" meant to get Lu Bu in).

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TsunamiXXVIII
09/26/11 4:24:00 PM
#147:


MonkClive0 posted...
ZFS posted...
I can't say - I haven't played the game. Are people actually nominating Charles Barkley and Michael Jordon based on that game, or is it just taking advantage of the rule so two basketball players can be in a game-related rivalry contest?

the game is pretty great and well-written, i really don't care about sports in the real world


It's definitely because of the game. I myself have never played it, but there was a playthrough topic on this board recently and it sounds like a great game.

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Biolizard28
09/26/11 4:24:00 PM
#148:


From: transience | #145
if Barkley Gaiden was a 'legit' game and not just a popular rpgmaker project


It is in

http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/944722-barkley-shut-up-and-jam-gaiden-chapter-1-of-the

the f***ing

http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/944722-barkley-shut-up-and-jam-gaiden-chapter-1-of-the

DATABASE

http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/944722-barkley-shut-up-and-jam-gaiden-chapter-1-of-the

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redrocket
09/26/11 4:24:00 PM
#149:


transience posted...
I'm not sure how disallowing Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan from a best rivalry contest is stupidity! I hate to rely on the annoying 'u mad' thing, but it seems to really fit the bill here. there's really no reason to be this upset about Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan. it'd be cool if they were in but it's not the end of the world if they're not.

Do you not realize that arbitrarily banning an entry because it is a "joke" is a huge break from established precedent in these contests? There have been many prominent joke entries in previous contests. Now all of a sudden Bacon is banning entries that are completely legal by the actual posted rules and are no different than other joke entries these contests have had for years. And yet you don't understand why people are upset, come the **** on now.

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ZFS
09/26/11 4:24:00 PM
#150:


I've never had the impression that the rules are strict like that. They're more like guidelines, ones that Allen can make judgment calls on as situations arise. I don't see the problem, in any case. Does it kinda suck? I guess. Is it a travesty? No, not really.

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edwardsdv
09/26/11 4:25:00 PM
#151:


TsunamiXXVIII posted...
ZFS posted...
The actual historical Liu Bei and Cao Cao that fought in China were major figures of their time, but their portrayal in Dynasty Warriors (and even in Romance of the Three Kingdoms, which the game is based on) is fictionalized to a large extent. They have very exaggerated personalities.

And BSUAJG is a futuristic RPG. So yeah, also heavily fictionalized.


I sill maintain if BSUAJG was a game that got published like for real i.e like came out at Gamestop/on steam and people paid to play it like most other games and had at least SOME connection to the mainstream he'd allow it. As it is its just SO obscure and only gaining traction because of the rules change.

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