Board 8 > Bacon: 'Wouldn't really call them "historical characters" [Barkley] [ARG]

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transience
09/26/11 5:03:00 PM
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redrocket
09/26/11 5:04:00 PM
#203:


THEDavyJones posted...
The point is because a lot of people are claiming it's a "great game" and a "great rivalry." Neither of which I believe are true. I'd be able to accept your arguments a lot more if you just admitted to this fact, rather then acting like these are two characters getting undeservedly snubbed.

These are two clear joke nominations. I have no problem with joke nominations getting in, but I do take issue with people claiming these are a legitimately well done rivalry.


It is a great game, and a well done rivalry. That isn't the main reason people are nominating them, but it is true. Have you actually played the game? If you answer no I am done taking you seriously.

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TsunamiXXVIII
09/26/11 5:04:00 PM
#204:


THEDavyJones posted...
The point is because a lot of people are claiming it's a "great game" and a "great rivalry." Neither of which I believe are true. I'd be able to accept your arguments a lot more if you just admitted to this fact, rather then acting like these are two characters getting undeservedly snubbed.

These are two clear joke nominations. I have no problem with joke nominations getting in, but I do take issue with people claiming these are a legitimately well done rivals.


Yes, but they're legitimate joke nominations! By the rules that Bacon originally set out, they deserve to be in the contest if they get enough nominations. And the Noble Nine was broken by a programming glitch, so don't gripe about legitimacy here.

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THEDavyJones
09/26/11 5:06:00 PM
#205:


redrocket posted...
THEDavyJones posted...
The point is because a lot of people are claiming it's a "great game" and a "great rivalry." Neither of which I believe are true. I'd be able to accept your arguments a lot more if you just admitted to this fact, rather then acting like these are two characters getting undeservedly snubbed.

These are two clear joke nominations. I have no problem with joke nominations getting in, but I do take issue with people claiming these are a legitimately well done rivalry.

It is a great game, and a well done rivalry. That isn't the main reason people are nominating them, but it is true. Have you actually played the game? If you answer no I am done taking you seriously.


I have played the game. It's not very good.

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TheKnightOfNee
09/26/11 5:07:00 PM
#206:


Guess I should nominate "blank canvas" and "paintbrush" from Mario Paint, because watching paint dry seems to be kind of excitement Bacon is interested in.

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THEDavyJones
09/26/11 5:09:00 PM
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TsunamiXXVIII posted...
THEDavyJones posted...
The point is because a lot of people are claiming it's a "great game" and a "great rivalry." Neither of which I believe are true. I'd be able to accept your arguments a lot more if you just admitted to this fact, rather then acting like these are two characters getting undeservedly snubbed.

These are two clear joke nominations. I have no problem with joke nominations getting in, but I do take issue with people claiming these are a legitimately well done rivals.

Yes, but they're legitimate joke nominations! By the rules that Bacon originally set out, they deserve to be in the contest if they get enough nominations. And the Noble Nine was broken by a programming glitch, so don't gripe about legitimacy here.


My issue is more with the people claiming "it's a really well done rivalry" as their excuse. I couldn't care less about SBAllen's reasoning for not letting them in, it's the level of butt-hurt in this topic that makes it laughable. Guys like Biolizard are literally raging over this, rather then going "oh well, just a contest" and try to rally some other dumb joke contestant in.

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Dark Young Link
09/26/11 5:09:00 PM
#208:


THEDavyJones posted...
The point is because a lot of people are claiming it's a "great game" and a "great rivalry." Neither of which I believe are true. I'd be able to accept your arguments a lot more if you just admitted to this fact, rather then acting like these are two characters getting undeservedly snubbed.

These are two clear joke nominations. I have no problem with joke nominations getting in, but I do take issue with people claiming these are a legitimately well done rivals.


So what you're saying is "I won't acknowledge your nomination unless you agree with my opinion."?

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MonkClive0
09/26/11 5:10:00 PM
#209:


THEDavyJones posted...
The point is because a lot of people are claiming it's a "great game" and a "great rivalry." Neither of which I believe are true. I'd be able to accept your arguments a lot more if you just admitted to this fact, rather then acting like these are two characters getting undeservedly snubbed.

These are two clear joke nominations. I have no problem with joke nominations getting in, but I do take issue with people claiming these are a legitimately well done rivals.


plenty of rivalry's are going to get in that aren't "great" or "well-written" or "involving interesting characters", hell I bet the winning pair is going to involve at least one bland non-entity

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THEDavyJones
09/26/11 5:11:00 PM
#210:


MonkClive0 posted...
THEDavyJones posted...
The point is because a lot of people are claiming it's a "great game" and a "great rivalry." Neither of which I believe are true. I'd be able to accept your arguments a lot more if you just admitted to this fact, rather then acting like these are two characters getting undeservedly snubbed.

These are two clear joke nominations. I have no problem with joke nominations getting in, but I do take issue with people claiming these are a legitimately well done rivals.

plenty of rivalry's are going to get in that aren't "great" or "well-written" or "involving interesting characters", hell I bet the winning pair is going to involve at least one bland non-entity


And I don't really care for them getting into the contest, either.

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voltch
09/26/11 5:11:00 PM
#211:


Tranman's side showin more sense, too much waah-waah from the Barkley guys in this topic.

Besides, if SBallen allowed that pair in he'd prolly just stick it against Cloud/Sephiroth. Sure he's let in a lot of jokes in previous contests, but trying to recreate the L-Block magic is coming across as lame, in the past few contests it feels like people are just trying to push a joke too hard and then claim credit if it does well.

I have no problems with Bacon changing or altering the rules from past contests, there's a precedent, the results may have been unsatisfactory and now he's modifying them. He's changed formats before and now he's changing some of the nomination process.

Nothing wrong, remember when we had a company cap? Good change there, just gotta see what works. I mean we did have some of the best contests under Bacon and some bad ones. But hey you guys wanna cry so hard about that you'll nom Hitler?

ha.

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TsunamiXXVIII
09/26/11 5:11:00 PM
#212:


TheKnightOfNee posted...
Guess I should nominate "blank canvas" and "paintbrush" from Mario Paint, because watching paint dry seems to be kind of excitement Bacon is interested in.

As soon as nomination period ends, I'm sigging this.

Edit: I put it into my quote for safekeeping and it's too long to sig.

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TsunamiXXVIII
09/26/11 5:13:00 PM
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transience posted...
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Wait, weren't you supposed to be against this?

Because that is seriously helping to affirm my belief that this rivalry deserves to get in.

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redrocket
09/26/11 5:14:00 PM
#214:


I'm archiving this topic. When the bracket comes out, if any of you anti-barkley guys are complaining about too much crappy fodder, I'm going shove this topic down you're ****ing throats.

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Dr_Football
09/26/11 5:15:00 PM
#215:


I'm pretty sure everyone knows BarkleyvJordan would get roughly 10% of the vote against anyone at best.

Its just people taking a bad contest idea, and trying to have a good joke fodder entrant, instead of the 30 lame ones we are going to get anyway

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transience
09/26/11 5:16:00 PM
#216:


I'm not really for or against it (despite being called stupid for holding an opinion!). all I said is that it makes sense it wouldn't be allowed seeing as how the game is an unlicensed freeware fan game.

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Dark Young Link
09/26/11 5:18:00 PM
#217:


Actually, let me ask you this.


What makes Barkley/Jordan a "joke entry"? What qualifies as a joke entry in the first place?


As for the "whining", people are just expressing their disapproval of this decision that doesn't make much sense to them. The "it's just a contest" logic falls flat on its face when you realize that if no one took the contest seriously at all, there wouldn't be nominations in the first place. Making a topic saying "Nominate [blank]" is essentially taking the contest seriously. There is nothing wrong with taking the contest seriously. There is nothing wrong with taking something you enjoy seriously.

No one has yet to take things too seriously.

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Leebo86
09/26/11 5:20:00 PM
#218:


I like predicting the contests, but I don't really care who gets in or who wins the matches.

It's kind of like how I enjoy predicting curling and cricket matches on Streak for the Cash. I just like predicting things.

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Dark Young Link
09/26/11 5:21:00 PM
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There is no rule saying "no freeware games". >___>

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voltch
09/26/11 5:22:00 PM
#220:


Oh you can be against his decision, but going all Sailor Failcon, or Bacon is crappy, or ur contest is nao a joke imma nom hitler **** U bacon etc...

Yeeeeeah.

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Biolizard28
09/26/11 5:25:00 PM
#221:


From: voltch | #212
Tranman's side showin more sense, too much waah-waah from the Barkley guys in this topic.


More felatio from the latest member of the clique.

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redrocket
09/26/11 5:25:00 PM
#222:


"Sorry, it's an unlicensed freeware game" does not appear in either of the two responses Bacon has given on this subject. If that was really the reason, I could respect that. But it either isn't an issue or Bacon has lied to us twice about why he's not allowing them in.

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voltch
09/26/11 5:25:00 PM
#223:


Well dear Bio, I believe you need to take a few chill pills rather than go on a crazy man rampage of hatred.

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Emporer_Kazbar
09/26/11 5:27:00 PM
#224:


From: THEDavyJones | #110
The point is because a lot of people are claiming it's a "great game" and a "great rivalry." Neither of which I believe are true


Sucks to be you, then.

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MarvelousGerbil
09/26/11 5:32:00 PM
#225:


From: FateStayAlbion | #162
Wasn't there a game that people were trying to get into the Best Game Ever contest that was like physically throwing a ball into a hole, and their only reasoning was that it was in the database even though it wasn't even a video game?

I can't remember the name of that game, but I don't think the database matters


Skeeball!

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TheCodeisBosco
09/26/11 5:33:00 PM
#226:


Skee-Ball > 95% of the games that actually made the bracket.

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MarioSuperstar
09/26/11 5:34:00 PM
#227:


Don't really care either way but I'm just shocked that Bacon is suddenly against the idea of a joke entry or a 4chan entry while allowing Mudkip and others all these years.

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voltch
09/26/11 5:37:00 PM
#228:


He might have gotten tired of jokes and wants to return the contest to a more traditional style? Either way this means no CATS and that's just plain bad form :/

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Surskit
09/26/11 5:38:00 PM
#229:


The only way I look at this is that this could've made the contest more interesting. I really don't care about Barkley or Jordan, I just liked the idea of something with the potential of being interesting making it to the contest instead of, say, seeing Lloyd/Kratos getting embarrassed again.

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TheCodeisBosco
09/26/11 5:41:00 PM
#230:


voltch posted...
He might have gotten tired of jokes and wants to return the contest to a more traditional style? Either way this means no CATS and that's just plain bad form :/

If he thinks removing joke entrants is "going back to a traditional style," that's a fail on his part. Jokes are tradition; the very first contest had Pitfall Harry and Chop Chop Master Onion.

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paperwarior
09/26/11 5:45:00 PM
#231:


Oh you can be against his decision, but going all Sailor Failcon, or Bacon is crappy, or ur contest is nao a joke imma nom hitler **** U bacon etc...

Okay, now you're accusing us of being intentionally edgy as "revenge". Hitler was only an idea originally due to being a rival for Einstein, and that was prior to the Barkley thing I believe. Where is this coming from?

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voltch
09/26/11 5:45:00 PM
#232:


Yeah Allen used to be cool and allowed jokes in for the first contest though in moderation.

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edwardsdv
09/26/11 5:50:00 PM
#233:


redrocket posted...
"Sorry, it's an unlicensed freeware game" does not appear in either of the two responses Bacon has given on this subject. If that was really the reason, I could respect that. But it either isn't an issue or Bacon has lied to us twice about why he's not allowing them in.

It being an unlicensed freeware game is precisely why he said it would be either turbofodder or /b/ fuel.

He didn't write it but its the clear subtext.

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KamikazePotato
09/26/11 5:58:00 PM
#234:


I don't people care that much about Barkley. They care more about the arguments from the side opposing Barkley being godawful. At least that's how I feel.

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paperwarior
09/26/11 6:00:00 PM
#235:


Well, mainly the arguments from SBAllen, which amount to "admin discretion". To use an extremely grandiose analogy, it's like when a president of the US is decided by the Supreme Court rather than the electoral system.

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Dark Young Link
09/26/11 6:01:00 PM
#236:


edwardsdv posted...
redrocket posted...
"Sorry, it's an unlicensed freeware game" does not appear in either of the two responses Bacon has given on this subject. If that was really the reason, I could respect that. But it either isn't an issue or Bacon has lied to us twice about why he's not allowing them in.

It being an unlicensed freeware game is precisely why he said it would be either turbofodder or /b/ fuel.

He didn't write it but its the clear subtext.


What subtext?

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MarvelousGerbil
09/26/11 6:02:00 PM
#237:


From: paperwarior | #235
Well, mainly the arguments from SBAllen, which amount to "admin discretion". To use an extremely grandiose analogy, it's like when a president of the US is decided by the Supreme Court rather than the electoral system.


I had no idea this could happen. I should really know politics better <_<

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THEDavyJones
09/26/11 6:03:00 PM
#238:


MarvelousGerbil posted...
From: paperwarior | #235
Well, mainly the arguments from SBAllen, which amount to "admin discretion". To use an extremely grandiose analogy, it's like when a president of the US is decided by the Supreme Court rather than the electoral system.
I had no idea this could happen. I should really know politics better <_<


Isn't that what ultimately determined the 2000 Presidential Election?

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xp1337
09/26/11 6:05:00 PM
#239:


I don't people care that much about Barkley. They care more about the arguments from the side opposing Barkley being godawful. At least that's how I feel.

I only read the first 100 posts or so, but I think this is roughly my opinion. I think the decision to exclude them is defensible itself, it's just Bacon seemed to elect to choose the worst possible reasons to defend it with.

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LeonhartFour
09/26/11 6:15:00 PM
#240:


I personally don't like joke entrants in the contest to begin with because they'll either bomb horribly in round one or they'll get some sustained outside rally.

Neither of which make for fun contests for me. If having joke characters makes a contest fun for you, then I'm sure you really enjoyed the amazing contest GameSpot just ran.

Oh no, I actually care about seeing legitimate results, I hate fun because legitimate results between legitimate characters is one of the things I enjoy most about these contests. I actually want to see if Mario/Sonic is legitimately strong enough to beat Cloud/Sephiroth.

I don't care if Barkley/Jordan gets into the contest because it's funny for the few seconds I first see it in the bracket, and after that, I don't care.

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MarvelousGerbil
09/26/11 6:22:00 PM
#241:


From: LeonhartFour | #240
I personally don't like joke entrants in the contest to begin with because they'll either bomb horribly in round one or they'll get some sustained outside rally.

Neither of which make for fun contests for me. If having joke characters makes a contest fun for you, then I'm sure you really enjoyed the amazing contest GameSpot just ran.

Oh no, I actually care about seeing legitimate results, I hate fun because legitimate results between legitimate characters is one of the things I enjoy most about these contests. I actually want to see if Mario/Sonic is legitimately strong enough to beat Cloud/Sephiroth.

I don't care if Barkley/Jordan gets into the contest because it's funny for the few seconds I first see it in the bracket, and after that, I don't care.


The argument is typically that a joke character as a rule of thumb should not beat a non-fodder character. Yes, Missingno and L Block broke this assumption, but if you're going to have one on one matches, this is (typically) easily controlled. If you're going to complain about Mudkip, don't complain that he made it in, complain that his opponents were Pit/Tingle/Luigi (almost any pokemon would have advanced here). If Allen didn't want it advancing, he could have put it in a match it couldn't win (hell with Link and some random midcarder would have been fine). That's why CATS is a perfectly fine joke. If he wins, it's the mods fault for putting him where he is (come on, Ansem? That's a legitimately debatable match).

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LeonhartFour
09/26/11 6:25:00 PM
#242:


Regardless, I'm pretty sure that GameSpot and CBS were not very happy with how GameSpot's Sidekick Contest played out. Heck, for all we know, Bacon might be under pressure from CBS to cut back on the joke characters because he's never really seemed opposed to it before now. He allowed characters Ceej never allowed before.

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Dark Young Link
09/26/11 6:26:00 PM
#243:


Once again, what makes Barkley/Jordan a "joke"?

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xp1337
09/26/11 6:28:00 PM
#244:


I'm all for the abolition of joke characters, it's just that I can't bring myself to take this contest very seriously so my usual vehemence to joke characters and non-standard formats/gimmicks is not as expressed. (Although, part of the reason I can't take the contest seriously is the non-1v1 format)

It's just Bacon's stated reasons seem really weak. It's one thing to say, "No joke characters" it's another to try and argue against a specific subset the way he did.

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LeonhartFour
09/26/11 6:28:00 PM
#245:


They're real people from a parody game who would have virtually no "legitimate" strength in a contest setting.

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09/26/11 6:31:00 PM
#246:


This topic is serious business.

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MarvelousGerbil
09/26/11 6:32:00 PM
#247:


Maybe if we all complain enough, he'll get rid of this contest and give us a real one? Still waiting on dat quote contest.

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Dark Young Link
09/26/11 6:33:00 PM
#248:


LeonhartFour posted...
They're real people from a parody game who would have virtually no "legitimate" strength in a contest setting.

I'll give you the "parody game" bit, but what do you mean "legitmate strength"?

I think it would be an interesting experiment, we haven't had anything like this in a contest before. We can't be 100% certain how well they would do.

Besides if we're talking about strength, we may as well exclude all the yearly fodder.

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Biolizard28
09/26/11 6:33:00 PM
#249:


From: LeonhartFour | #245
They're real people from a parody game who would have virtually no "legitimate" strength in a contest setting.


All hail the seer of "could bes"

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LeonhartFour
09/26/11 6:34:00 PM
#250:


From: Dark Young Link | #248
I think it would be an interesting experiment, we haven't had anything like this in a contest before. We can't be 100% certain how well they would do.


Like what? Real people or sports stuff?

We already know sports stuff is extremely unpopular on this site.

But people may love the Barkley game, but people want the rivalry in for the lulz more than anything else, from what I see.

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09/26/11 6:35:00 PM
#251:


From: Biolizard28 | #249
All hail the seer of "could bes"


What, are you trying to argue that the Barkley game or two basketball players (even if one of them is MJ) could be strong on this site?

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