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(1) Dan McNeely From the Trapped series, Dan McNeely is the leader of the notorious Armor Gamsees, a crime ring. A resourceful and ruthless immortal, McNeely is an expert gunfighter, able to disarm and kill multiple people with a single shot while surrounded. He is cunning, and cruel to the extreme, taking every chance he gets to taunt his opponents and wear them down to submission.
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(8) Richard Rahl From The Sword of Truth, Richard Rahl is a Seeker of Truth, specialized in finding the answers to riddles. A highly skilled warrior, he wields the titular sword with deadly grace, taking advantage of its ability to cut anything while he is in the proper mindset for combat. The sword is imbued with potent abilities by its wielder, being capable of deflecting even magical attacks with ease. In addition, he is the first War Wizard to be born in three millennia, possessing the ability to employ both additive magic (which covers traditional spells such as lightning bolts, healing, telekinesis, etc.) as well as subtractive magic (which destroys parts of reality by transporting it to the Underworld, its place of origin, allowing spells cast with it to bypass defenses as if they weren't there and destroy all they touch) through instinct.
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Quite possibly. One of his classic tricks is perceiving things insanely fast, like a sort of bullet-time.
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From: Some_Character | #003 I think the critical question here is: does either carry a Bible?
Does Atlas Shrugged count?
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Looking into it a bit, a pistol's bullet is about three and a half times faster than a crossbow bolt, and Richard can easily deal with crossbow bolts (barring one incident >_>) so take that as you will.
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From: JeffreyRaze | #006 You should add the whole "Richard has the skill of every person who as every wielded the sword put together". That's kind of important.
It's kind of included in the writeup, but yes, this is the case. This doesn't give him superhuman abilities IIRC, but it does mean he's way up there in technique and finesse.
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From: Pirateking2000 | #009 Don't know either char well so anyone explain each
Also how is Dan taking down multiple guys with one bullet?
Rahl: Subtractive Magic is basically balefire and he has even better reflexes than Rand.
McNeely: Shenanigans. Yes, that is all the explanation I will offer, go watch the Trapped Retsupurae to get the rest.
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Yeah, one of the things Richard has is instinct overload. He doesn't have to know what a gun is to instinctively know how to handle it for the most part >_>
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Oh, right, and I forgot: Richard has magic shields that can block physical objects. So yeah, bullets wouldn't work unless McNeely beat him to the punch.
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The thing to note is that Richard doesn't actually know how to use any of his magic, he just sort of... Does it. The amount of power he can draw forth is prettymuch proportional to his need for it >_>
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KanzarisKelshen posted... Oh, right, and I forgot: Richard has magic shields that can block physical objects. So yeah, bullets wouldn't work unless McNeely beat him to the punch.
That's of course assuming that Richard can find these shields that Dan McNeely has hidden inside a safe that you'll never open without a guide.
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He certainly would not let anyone get a hit in. He doesn't have above human durability for the most part, though he can ignore essentially any level of pain. He's a really great judge of intent, so if Dan is gonna try to kill him, Richard will respond in kind.
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From: Some_Character | #016 KanzarisKelshen posted... Oh, right, and I forgot: Richard has magic shields that can block physical objects. So yeah, bullets wouldn't work unless McNeely beat him to the punch.
That's of course assuming that Richard can find these shields that Dan McNeely has hidden inside a safe that you'll never open without a guide.
This could actually happen with the Sword of Truth, not joking. McNeely could take it away and Richard could do a bypass and retrieve it by wanting it to be by his side.
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Important to note that Dan McNeely is immortal and has a "shoot dude as fast as possible" policy. He does that to every enemy he faces in the game with the exception of Dialla because SHE WAS ACTUALLY HIS LOVER.
No but seriously, he kills about 10 dudes in the first part of Trapped because he shoots them so fast they can't explain they are his allies.
Based on that I think we can assume Dan is gonna go for the kill as soon as possible, especially if he knows his opponent is hostile(as the rules in this tournament explain). So...how fast can Richards put up a magic shield? Would he put up one as soon as the fight started?
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If he was shot at and a shield was his only way of saving himself, he'd probably get one up on instinct. He certainly has the reaction speed to see it coming at the very least.
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Also, the write-up doesn't describe Dan's most dangerous power: turning other people into the villain against all reason. How is Richard going to respond to that?
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From: JeffreyRaze | Posted: 9/28/2011 4:01:52 PM | #020 If he was shot at and a shield was his only way of saving himself, he'd probably get one up on instinct. He certainly has the reaction speed to see it coming at the very least.
Would he even know what a gun is though? Don't know anything about the Sword of Truth universe, so would he know that McNeely's strange weapon was going to harm him from a distance?
That's of course assuming that Richard can find these shields that Dan McNeely has hidden inside a safe that you'll never open without a guide.[quoted text]
This could actually happen with the Sword of Truth, not joking. McNeely could take it away and Richard could do a bypass and retrieve it by wanting it to be by his side.
This probably won't affect the match but can you explain that a bit better? I'm honestly curious >.>
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“”Richard paused. His head came up. Nadine was behind him. He had the oddest sensation. The hair on the back of his neck stiffened. The world slowed. Sound dragged. He floated as he moved. The air felt as thick as mud. Everyone seemed a statue in his vision. Time was his. His arm stretched out as he drifted ahead. He commanded the thickness of the air. In the eerie silence, he could hear the feathers singing. He could hear the hiss of blade. Time was his. Nadine’s startled blink took forever. He closed his fist. With a slam of sound, the world crashed back with a wild rush. In his fist, Richard held a bolt from a crossbow. The blade wasn’t three inches from nadine’s wide eyes. A fraction of a second more and it would have killed her. That fraction of a second had been an hour to him.”
Hope that clears things up a little as to whether he could react.
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Oh also, if they got into close range and Dan wasn't killed in one hit(which he won't because he's immortal), Dan could always use the Immorgasmic syringe on Richard.
Richard would be immortal after that but he'd be unconscious and have strange amnesia where he would replace some of his memories with completely unrelated and false memories. That would count as a win.
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Once again, instinct would probably warn him about the gun. He managed to navigate a long path filled with every magical trap imaginable, and he just sort of knew what to to to avoid each trap. And when he encountered a particularly dangerous bit of magic he responded my subtractive magicking it despite not having any way of knowing he should have done that (or knowing how to call on his magic at all).
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From: Some_Character | #021 Also, the write-up doesn't describe Dan's most dangerous power: turning other people into the villain against all reason. How is Richard going to respond to that?
He's already a villain from some perspectives. So uhh...who knows.
From: Haguile | #022 [quoted text]
Would he even know what a gun is though? Don't know anything about the Sword of Truth universe, so would he know that McNeely's strange weapon was going to harm him from a distance?
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This probably won't affect the match but can you explain that a bit better? I'm honestly curious >.>
The Sword of Truth is a representation of Richard's thoughts and feelings *as well* as a physical thing. So if the physical sword is stolen he can manifest the metaphysical one.
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I guess I don't really remember much from the second and third games. Or was there a fourth I never played?
There's a fourth coming out after he escapes from the safe in the bottom of the sea >.> but yeah, his immortality is revealed in the third game or so. He says he and Dialla both took the Immorgamsics or whatever shot, which caused amnesia.
From: KanzarisKelshen | Posted: 9/28/2011 4:04:39 PM | #025 Example of Richard's bullet time:
“”Richard paused. His head came up. Nadine was behind him. He had the oddest sensation. The hair on the back of his neck stiffened. The world slowed. Sound dragged. He floated as he moved. The air felt as thick as mud. Everyone seemed a statue in his vision. Time was his. His arm stretched out as he drifted ahead. He commanded the thickness of the air. In the eerie silence, he could hear the feathers singing. He could hear the hiss of blade. Time was his. Nadine’s startled blink took forever. He closed his fist. With a slam of sound, the world crashed back with a wild rush. In his fist, Richard held a bolt from a crossbow. The blade wasn’t three inches from nadine’s wide eyes. A fraction of a second more and it would have killed her. That fraction of a second had been an hour to him.”
Hope that clears things up a little as to whether he could react.
Catching an arrow is humanly possible though. Dodging a bullet(which he would only know was shot at him after it left the gun) sounds a bit more complicated.
I know nothing about the series though, so I'm going to wait for arguments.
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I guess I don't really remember much from the second and third games. Or was there a fourth I never played?
There's a fourth coming out after he escapes from the safe in the bottom of the sea >.> but yeah, his immortality is revealed in the third game or so. He says he and Dialla both took the Immorgamsics or whatever shot, which caused amnesia.
From: KanzarisKelshen | Posted: 9/28/2011 4:04:39 PM | #025 Example of Richard's bullet time:
“”Richard paused. His head came up. Nadine was behind him. He had the oddest sensation. The hair on the back of his neck stiffened. The world slowed. Sound dragged. He floated as he moved. The air felt as thick as mud. Everyone seemed a statue in his vision. Time was his. His arm stretched out as he drifted ahead. He commanded the thickness of the air. In the eerie silence, he could hear the feathers singing. He could hear the hiss of blade. Time was his. Nadine’s startled blink took forever. He closed his fist. With a slam of sound, the world crashed back with a wild rush. In his fist, Richard held a bolt from a crossbow. The blade wasn’t three inches from nadine’s wide eyes. A fraction of a second more and it would have killed her. That fraction of a second had been an hour to him.”
Hope that clears things up a little as to whether he could react.
Catching an arrow is humanly possible though. Dodging a bullet(which he would only know was shot at him after it left the gun) sounds a bit more complicated.
I know nothing about the series though, so I'm going to wait for arguments.
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Some_Character | Posted 9/28/2011 1:05:26 PM | message detail | quote He had made the Immorgamsics that supposedly make people immortal, but we don't know if he'd taken it or if it would've actually worked.
Yes we do, considering Dialla shot him and then he got up completely uninjured.
Also even though he was inside a safe in the bottom of the ocean, he was completely unaffected by the sea pressure that should have killed him. So his endurance is apparently superhuman as well.
Not only that, but he has been confirmed to escape the safe and swim to an island using nothing but a box of matches and a bible. I'm assuming the bible was there. We only know for sure that he had the box of matches.
How does Richard attack? Like, what's his favorite way to open a fight? Also, can he attack while his barrier is set up?
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JeffreyRaze posted... And the imortality wouldn't really change things. Once again, subtractive magic is a slightly less potent form of balefire really.
It would probably be blocked by the Bible though.
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From: JeffreyRaze | Posted: 9/28/2011 4:09:44 PM | #032 Catching an arrow you know nothing about until it already flying towards you is humanly possible?
Didn't catch the part about him not knowing about the arrow. My bad. Catching arrows is possible though.
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Pirateking2000 posted... still wondering what was meant by "turning people to villains" thing.
He can suddenly reveal that the purposes that the heroes have been fighting for are all false and that they're actually his allies. It's quite a morale crushing skill.
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From: Pirateking2000 | Posted: 9/28/2011 4:23:30 PM | #038 still wondering what was meant by "turning people to villains" thing.
I could answer, but...
just watch the trapped series instead.
The order goes Trapped->Pursuit->Escape.
It should only take you around 30 minutes to watch everything total and it will be more entertaining than if I explain it to you. If you don't want to watch it though, I can explain I guess.
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From: Some_Character | Posted: 9/28/2011 4:25:12 PM | #039 He can suddenly reveal that the purposes that the heroes have been fighting for are all false and that they're actually his allies. It's quite a morale crushing skill.
He can also make the opponent instantly believe what he says, no matter how unlikely it is.
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Haguile posted... From: Some_Character | Posted: 9/28/2011 4:25:12 PM | #039 He can suddenly reveal that the purposes that the heroes have been fighting for are all false and that they're actually his allies. It's quite a morale crushing skill. He can also make the opponent instantly believe what he says, no matter how unlikely it is.
More than that, he can make it the truth no matter what was previously established.
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Also, Dan McNeely can use his Edwyn Tiong-powered voice to command armed soldiers to go do the laundry, for example. He has actually done this before when faced with danger.
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It should only take you around 30 minutes to watch everything total and it will be more entertaining than if I explain it to you. If you don't want to watch it though, I can explain I guess.
eh sure wtf might be entertaining =P
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From: Some_Character | Posted: 9/28/2011 4:28:49 PM | #042 More than that, he can make it the truth no matter what was previously established.
Oh yeah, his reality bending skills weren't established in the writeup were they? They should really be brought up.
And there's the fact that absolutely everyone he faces becomes an idiot when and only when they face him. Merrick just walked towards him and was explicitly unable to see McNeely's gun.
And Dialla forgot he was immortal. And Mickey went unarmed to face him.
His intelligence manipulation ability should be included in the writeup imo.
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From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 9/28/2011 4:35:43 PM | #047 It's also well-documented that Dan's voice holds a medium-grade hypnotic effect. When he speaks, others listen.
This literally enabled him to shoot a guy in the head and make him not notice he was holding a gun before. I'm not making this up. It really happened.
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Based on all the arguments so far, I'm gonna have to go with Dan McNeely. He has his gun, his manipulative voice and his ability to change his enemy's past in order to traumatize him. Plus he can summon puzzles out of nowhere that are impossible to solve and Richard will feel OBLIGATED to solve the puzzle instead of just shooting him in the head.
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