Board 8 > League of Legends Topic 25 - "I like my enemies two ways: dead, or about to be."

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Biolizard28
10/24/11 3:32:00 PM
#101:


What three skills would those be?

By the way, which is better for cracking people open early?

9 AD marks/Armor Pen quints
9 Armor Pen marks/3 AD quints?

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KanzarisKelshen
10/24/11 3:39:00 PM
#102:


From: Biolizard28 | #101
What three skills would those be?

By the way, which is better for cracking people open early?

9 AD marks/Armor Pen quints
9 Armor Pen marks/3 AD quints?


Know, Last-Hit, Lead.

Also, arpen is always better unless you're riven or jax.

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Biolizard28
10/24/11 3:42:00 PM
#103:


It's just that I need AD marks for my eventual Akali runepage, so I thought, y'know...

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KanzarisKelshen
10/24/11 3:43:00 PM
#104:


From: Biolizard28 | #103
It's just that I need AD marks for my eventual Akali runepage, so I thought, y'know...


It's a definite downgrade in other characters. Also, get the AP runes first for Akali, since doran's can help you as a starter anyway and amptome blows.

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Justin_Crossing
10/24/11 3:44:00 PM
#105:


From: KanzarisKelshen | #102
Know, Last-Hit, Lead.

Also, arpen is always better unless you're riven or jax.


I was talking to Musashi last night and from what I gathered he's an 18/1900 player and he was saying AD runes are pretty much universally better even though ArPen is more popular.

For the record Kan, I totally expect you to know who Musashi is.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/24/11 4:03:00 PM
#106:


From: Justin_Crossing | #105
I was talking to Musashi last night and from what I gathered he's an 18/1900 player and he was saying AD runes are pretty much universally better even though ArPen is more popular.

For the record Kan, I totally expect you to know who Musashi is.


Sashi's wrong. AD runes give you about 10 AD. Let's say you're Vayne. Your base AD is 53. With arpen, you deal 53 damage. With AD, you deal 63 damage, raw. Now let's calc with 15 armor, an easy armor value.

Arpen damage = 53.

AD damage = 54 and change, round up to 55 if you like.

Now let's add Brute Force. Values are 56 and 66.

Arpen damage = 56.

AD damage = 57.

A single point better. With a basic mastery. But wait, you say, what if you add Sunder? Then AD deals 58 damage...and still loses in lane as you gain AD from leveling, never mind a doran's or whatever. Not to mention ArPen is a way bigger boost to skill damage than AD, something nobody ever remembers. Condemn hurts with AD, but boy does it hurt ten times worse with ArPen allowing you to deal all of that hot damage. Basically ArPen ensures lane dominance way harder than AD does, and it also punishes squishies much more heavily if you have any AD damage from skills (every carry does).

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KanzarisKelshen
10/24/11 4:04:00 PM
#107:


Note that I am not, of course, adding quints because that implies variables and I'm lazy, but memory says 'mixing is better, question is the proportion'. Going full tilt with either is bad.

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Biolizard28
10/24/11 5:13:00 PM
#108:


Now I just won a game because of a Trynd that knew how to backdoor correctly.

Just when you start to lose faith.

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SythaWarrior
10/24/11 5:20:00 PM
#109:


AD Quints, Arpen Marks is the way to go honestly. Makes laning a lot better and you should be hitting like a truck on poor fools since you won your lane anyway.

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BakusaiTenketsu
10/24/11 7:21:00 PM
#110:


Since Soraka is free this week, I've been trying her out pretty extensively. Turns out that though I think I am doing pretty well (tons of assists, a few kills, very few deaths), people are telling me I suck since I am not Wishing them when they are fighting on the opposite side of the map.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/24/11 7:31:00 PM
#111:


Winning a game where you lagged in kills = great

Losing your fear of garen forever after realizing you can trash him with proper reflexes even when he's carrying = useful

Gaining 427 IP on your first win of the day = priceless

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KanzarisKelshen
10/24/11 7:31:00 PM
#112:


From: BakusaiTenketsu | #110
Since Soraka is free this week, I've been trying her out pretty extensively. Turns out that though I think I am doing pretty well (tons of assists, a few kills, very few deaths), people are telling me I suck since I am not Wishing them when they are fighting on the opposite side of the map.


This is kind of a thing you gotta learn as Soraka yes. It's global, use it!

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KanzarisKelshen
10/24/11 7:37:00 PM
#113:


Oh, and I forgot - best thing about that mammoth win? We won with a jungle heimer. Jungle freakin' Heimer. Why the hell are people so salty about ranked?!

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Anagram
10/24/11 7:41:00 PM
#114:


Alistar
Heimerdinger
Kassadin
Nunu
Rammus
Twisted Fate
Zilean
Mordekaiser
Urgot
Irelia

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Iubaris
10/24/11 8:15:00 PM
#115:


Meh week.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/24/11 8:18:00 PM
#116:


Biolizard28 posted...
Wow, seriously

all this talk about leadership and pinging and trying to herd a team

do you know what it's like to be literally able to win a game

but your Yi insists on backdooring instead of being an active participant?

My game was easily winnable and that f***ing idiot pissed it away

it's not fair




It isn't going to work EVERY time.

But the difference is that if you try and control your team and go above and beyond what you end up doing is preventing losses and causing wins.

Suppose you're in an "omg we're so going to lose" situation like 6 times in a row. By going above and beyond you might turn one of those losses into a win.

That's one more win than you would have had an it's actually a 2 games swing since you would have needed 2 wins to make up for that one loss

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Biolizard28
10/24/11 10:30:00 PM
#117:


THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T LET ME JUNGLE, REALO

Nah, I'm just kidding, you're alright.

Thanks for the games guys, it was fun.

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meisnewbie
10/24/11 10:32:00 PM
#118:


bio you're going to force me to learn to not suck with a non support/jungle role argggggghh learning

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BakusaiTenketsu
10/24/11 10:32:00 PM
#119:


Is there a Attack Speed Cap? Wondering if I stacked too much AS in my last game as Sivir.

Ended the game with Berserker Boots, Bloodthirster, Stark's Fervor, Phantom Dancer, Wit's End, and Infinity Edge (built in that order, started the game with a Philostone).

My ending attack speed was 2.1ish.

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10/24/11 10:33:00 PM
#120:


BakusaiTenketsu posted...
Is there a Attack Speed Cap? Wondering if I stacked too much AS in my last game as Sivir.

Ended the game with Berserker Boots, Bloodthirster, Stark's Fervor, Phantom Dancer, Wit's End, and Infinity Edge (built in that order, started the game with a Philostone).

My ending attack speed was 2.1ish.


I think it's 2.5.

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Biolizard28
10/24/11 10:38:00 PM
#121:


It is most definitely 2.5

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KanzarisKelshen
10/24/11 10:39:00 PM
#122:


From: BakusaiTenketsu | #119
Is there a Attack Speed Cap? Wondering if I stacked too much AS in my last game as Sivir.

Ended the game with Berserker Boots, Bloodthirster, Stark's Fervor, Phantom Dancer, Wit's End, and Infinity Edge (built in that order, started the game with a Philostone).

My ending attack speed was 2.1ish.


More thirsters needed.

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mcflubbin
10/24/11 10:53:00 PM
#123:


BakusaiTenketsu posted...
Since Soraka is free this week, I've been trying her out pretty extensively. Turns out that though I think I am doing pretty well (tons of assists, a few kills, very few deaths), people are telling me I suck since I am not Wishing them when they are fighting on the opposite side of the map.

Oh man, I know how that feels. That's honestly why I dropped Soraka for Janna, because people blame Soraka for ‹i›everything‹/i›. Having a Soraka on their team makes a lot of people think they're invincible.

Also, meh free week.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/24/11 11:03:00 PM
#124:


Bestial is korean and not very good. We've played with him quite a few times now.

Satashi is not korean, but games with him are AGONIZING.

If your team isn't ahead early, he is going to quit on you. FACT. Other team appears to be winning? he afks. I HATE players like him. We've played with him quite a few times as well.

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Biolizard28
10/25/11 11:06:00 AM
#125:


So I think I'm going to spend a good amount of time settling in to my niche as a jungler/support player. These are the roles I excel in, at least. I'm sure a few of you would back me up on that. That said, I'm contemplating my next jungle purchase. I already know who the most viable junglers are in the metagame, and I own a sizable chunk of the good ones. As of right now, I own Nocturne, Lee Sin, Riven, Fiddlesticks, Nunu, Warwick, and Jarvan. (I'm pretty sure Jarvan is merely considered good, not great, though.) Right now, I'm on the fence about...

Gangplank
+ I think he's a cheap bastard
+ I have a good feel for his kit
+ He can take pain and dish it back out
- Banned on a fairly consistent basis
- Might be nerfed to oblivion soon

Udyr
+ Solid, safe, tanky
+ A champion who I've wanted for a while now
+ Rarely banned at my ELO
- I haven't played him in a long ass time
- I have no clue how to properly jungle with him

Shaco
+ Pubstomper extraordinaire
+ Seems like a blast to play
+ Only banned by people who don't want to buy wards, AKA folks who are dying anyway
- Very little experience with him

Skarner is another option, but he's too damn expensive for me at this point.

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Luis_Sera89
10/25/11 11:14:00 AM
#126:


Skarner's buffs helped his jungling tremendously. Which is just as well because I'm not sold on him working anywhere else particularly well.

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Heroic_CactObo
10/25/11 2:16:00 PM
#127:


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HeroicGammaRay
10/25/11 2:36:00 PM
#128:


i really doubt they're going to do much more to gangplank
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KommunistKoala
10/25/11 3:01:00 PM
#129:


Go with Brokendyr

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KommunistKoala
10/25/11 3:02:00 PM
#130:


Though Gangplank is very fun and he can fill several roles if you know what you're doing

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Biolizard28
10/25/11 3:17:00 PM
#131:


"Bad jungler, didn't gank"

100% HP when you're half dead. And all three lanes are pushed in. And all lanes but one fed.

Sticking to supports for solo queue

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Biolizard28
10/25/11 5:01:00 PM
#132:


Pro Moment of the day: Stun slapping a Gangplank trying to kill me as Leona and getting first blood courtesy of the turret.

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Achromatic
10/25/11 5:02:00 PM
#133:


You can consider yourself good when you stop feeling the need to comment on idiots tbh.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/25/11 5:03:00 PM
#134:


From: Achromatic | #133
You can consider yourself good when you stop feeling the need to comment on idiots tbh.





From: Forceful_Dragon | #124
Bestial is korean and not very good. We've played with him quite a few times now.

Satashi is not korean, but games with him are AGONIZING.

If your team isn't ahead early, he is going to quit on you. FACT. Other team appears to be winning? he afks. I HATE players like him. We've played with him quite a few times as well.




Oops >_>

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Achromatic
10/25/11 5:06:00 PM
#135:


Well I meant one off idiots you had to deal with them a lot.

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Justin_Crossing
10/25/11 5:53:00 PM
#136:


They need to have an upside-down Christmas Tree Xerath skin for Christmas.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/25/11 5:57:00 PM
#137:


From: Achromatic | #135
Well I meant one off idiots you had to deal with them a lot.




Ah so the "I just got out of a game with a guy that i'm never going to see again and he did something that made me angry so I'm going to run to board 8 and complain because life isn't fair" kind of posts?

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Biolizard28
10/25/11 5:59:00 PM
#138:


Haunting Nocturne Q trail has ghosties and a different color.

Suck it, haters.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/25/11 6:01:00 PM
#139:


Augh, I like some of the limited time halloween skins, but none of the ones I would get are for champions that I play often enough for me to consider the purchase worthwhile.

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SythaWarrior
10/25/11 6:27:00 PM
#140:


The Noct and Blitz ones are pretty hot. I might buy the Noct one since it's his best skin.

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HeroicGammaRay
10/25/11 6:28:00 PM
#141:


i see a lot of top players raging all the time - everyone does it

but 1) it's not a healthy attitude 2) it won't help you improve 3) no one really wants to see it in this topic
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TheConductorSix
10/25/11 6:32:00 PM
#142:


Bio playing a jungler at low elo is the single hardest role.

I don't know how it is in higher elo but where most of us are at the Jungler gets blamed for everything.

They get ganked for over-pushing it's your fault for not ganking more.
Enemy gets dragon every time because your support wards her brush and not the area by dragon, losing dragon while also getting them ganked. Your fault.
Enemy Jungler ganks top so you ping Dragon to force a 3 on 4 fight and bottom lane doesn't come or mid lane doesn't come so you die. Your fault.


People don't seem to understand that junglers NEED to either get kills or push enemies out of lane and take turrets so they can level up and be useful.

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HeroicGammaRay
10/25/11 6:33:00 PM
#143:


the jungler always, always gets blamed for everything

which is kind of bad if you're an inexperienced jungler because then you can't tell when you actually did poorly and when you didn't
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Biolizard28
10/25/11 6:35:00 PM
#144:


http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/champion-sneak-peek-%E2%80%93-shyvana-half-dragon

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Biolizard28
10/25/11 6:37:00 PM
#145:


And those are mainly the reasons I only jungle when I'm with our pre-made, because I get direction, they know how to make use of me, and even direct me when they see opportunities I wouldn't otherwise.

I need to learn how to stand on my own two feet, but in solo queue, a jungler's only as good as his team.

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Gwindor
10/25/11 6:39:00 PM
#146:


But justice is not always so shiny

really riot

really

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SpeedYoshi
10/25/11 6:46:00 PM
#147:


Get Amumu Bio

too good

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KanzarisKelshen
10/25/11 6:47:00 PM
#148:


From: Gwindor | #146
But justice is not always so shiny

really riot

really


Dude, have you SEEN Garen? His forcefield is super duper shiny!

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Biolizard28
10/25/11 6:48:00 PM
#149:


From: SpeedYoshi | #147
Get Amumu Bio

too good


Considering it.

I have decent enough runes for him, minus the HP quints. But I don't think that would be the end of the world.

Problem is I also HATE HIM WITH A BURNING PASSION F***ING AMUMU

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SpeedYoshi
10/25/11 6:50:00 PM
#150:


How do you hate Amumu?

Unless you get stuck with lane Amumu, which is lol (and sucks... although I won a lane as Taric with Amumu once... that didn't make any sense)

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