Board 8 > League of Legends Topic 25 - "I like my enemies two ways: dead, or about to be."

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HanOfTheNekos
10/27/11 1:25:00 PM
#251:


FD

Tell me about Fiddlesticks.

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HanOfTheNekos
10/27/11 1:25:00 PM
#252:


Or Irelia too maybe.

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Accel ACE
10/27/11 1:27:00 PM
#253:


Nobody's talking in the chat. Anyone wanna do intermediate bots? Username is HeishiroT

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YOUHAVENOHOPE
10/27/11 1:33:00 PM
#254:


Evelynn is completely not viable in the current metagame. In normals without a jungler, she is completely viable. The problem, more often than not, is stupid people playing Evelynn. One of my regular partners plays her every now and again and usually does decently well. She takes a LOT of work to do well, though.

She's definitely worse than Skarner - Skarner has now become a beast. I'm using some random jungle build that I threw together (I'm really trying to fit Tear into it so I can freely give blue to someone else but I don't think it's gonna work), random runes and routes that I make up on-the-fly and still doing awesome things with him. Before 6 his ganks are hard to accomplish and require someone very much out of position (like, close to your brush while overextended or straight up not paying attention) but he can chew through someone pretty quickly. Post 6 is just ghost - shield - ult - walk backwards and Q to death.

Also Bio if you decide to run down the Udyr jungle route lemme know, I can give some solid advice since he's my main jungle pick. I'm gonna try to float around the chatroom more often from now on.
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Biolizard28
10/27/11 1:39:00 PM
#255:


I'm on the fence on whether or not I want Udyr, Karma, or Karthus right now, but I think I'm going to focus my energy on those three.

I own plenty of AP carries and pretty much every support I'll ever need, so Udyr is the likely choice. We'll see.

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YOUHAVENOHOPE
10/27/11 1:55:00 PM
#256:


They've gotta be sitting on some kind of Karma rework or something with the way they haven't touched her in ages, I honestly wouldn't use the IP on her at this point. It'd be fun to drop on people who have no idea how she works but.. eh.

In other news, anyone see that thread on the site where Xypherous is discussing new mechanics for champions? People post their ideas (mostly dumb) and he comments on whether or not they'd work, what has tested well or poor and what they're currently testing, etc. Confirmed that some sorts of curved and orbiting skillshots and a pad that is placed on the ground and enables allies to jump over walls are testing well.

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10/27/11 2:46:00 PM
#257:


YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
They've gotta be sitting on some kind of Karma rework or something with the way they haven't touched her in ages, I honestly wouldn't use the IP on her at this point. It'd be fun to drop on people who have no idea how she works but.. eh.

In other news, anyone see that thread on the site where Xypherous is discussing new mechanics for champions? People post their ideas (mostly dumb) and he comments on whether or not they'd work, what has tested well or poor and what they're currently testing, etc. Confirmed that some sorts of curved and orbiting skillshots and a pad that is placed on the ground and enables allies to jump over walls are testing well.

Xypherous is one of the better reds.


I have not heard of this thread! Do you have a link?

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Peace___Frog
10/27/11 2:59:00 PM
#258:


That sounds like some really neat things.

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YOUHAVENOHOPE
10/27/11 3:05:00 PM
#259:


http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1408371

most of it is him shooting down things and explaining some design theory, but it's all really interesting imo

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keeganmw
10/27/11 3:17:00 PM
#260:


Biolizard28 posted...
I'm on the fence on whether or not I want Udyr, Karma, or Karthus right now, but I think I'm going to focus my energy on those three.

I own plenty of AP carries and pretty much every support I'll ever need, so Udyr is the likely choice. We'll see.


Random lurker jumping in to say that Karthus is the most hilarious champion ever. If he gets fed enough and (at the cost of his death) he can wipe out entire teams. And with his global ult he's one of the few champs that can frequently use a Soulstealer without risking much.
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Biolizard28
10/27/11 3:22:00 PM
#261:


Frankly, I just want Karthus for two reasons:

1) He's not reliant on combos
2) His ultimate is my favorite in the entire game

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YOUHAVENOHOPE
10/27/11 3:33:00 PM
#262:


I counter Karthus being hilarious with Singed being hilarious

Never an autoattack, just a giant bald man dropping purple smoke running in circles around people while throwing them backwards and forwards until they slowly die. It's just too funny

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Forceful_Dragon
10/28/11 2:27:00 AM
#263:


sigh.

Nights like this make me sad.


Loss ~ Udyr ~ 0-6-2 (0.33) [-12] 1661
Loss ~ Alistar ~ 2-7-3 (0.71) [-12] 1649
Loss ~ Kayle ~ 0-5-7 (1.40) [-12] 1637
Loss ~ Amumu ~ 2-14-4 (0.43) [-12] 1625
Win ~ Sona ~ 0-4-5 (1.25) [+06] 1631
Loss ~ Galio ~ 2-3-5 (2.33) [-12] 1619
Loss ~ Zilean ~ 1-2-1 (1.00) [-12] 1607



We lose 6 times. We win once. And for NO REASON we only get half points for the win. Loss Forgiveness was NOT turned in (we checked. None of our enemies we beat got loss forgiven).

And in each of the 6 losses there was something especially crappy going on.

That Galio loss for example? That was a 3v5.

Yup.

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Lopen
10/28/11 2:52:00 AM
#264:


From: YOUHAVENOHOPE | #254
Evelynn is completely not viable in the current metagame. In normals without a jungler, she is completely viable. The problem, more often than not, is stupid people playing Evelynn. One of my regular partners plays her every now and again and usually does decently well. She takes a LOT of work to do well, though.


Yeah this I agree with. She can be a pain to fit into a team these days because you basically want either no jungler or three non jungling partners that can solo lane well. Kinda tough to manage at times with the "support + carry/mid/solo + jungler" deal that's so popular but it works out sometimes.

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Biolizard28
10/28/11 11:34:00 AM
#265:


Apparently Olaf is getting some buffs.

Should I wait until the patch notes/next free week rotation before buying Udyr in case Olaf ends up becoming a god slayer?

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HeroicGammaRay
10/28/11 11:36:00 AM
#266:


And for NO REASON we only get half points for the win. Loss Forgiveness was NOT turned in (we checked. None of our enemies we beat got loss forgiven).

i think this happens when there's a really imbalanced duo queue on one team
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Silver_Ermine
10/28/11 11:40:00 AM
#267:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
sigh.

Nights like this make me sad.


Loss ~ Udyr ~ 0-6-2 (0.33) [-12] 1661
Loss ~ Alistar ~ 2-7-3 (0.71) [-12] 1649
Loss ~ Kayle ~ 0-5-7 (1.40) [-12] 1637
Loss ~ Amumu ~ 2-14-4 (0.43) [-12] 1625
Win ~ Sona ~ 0-4-5 (1.25) [+06] 1631
Loss ~ Galio ~ 2-3-5 (2.33) [-12] 1619
Loss ~ Zilean ~ 1-2-1 (1.00) [-12] 1607



We lose 6 times. We win once. And for NO REASON we only get half points for the win. Loss Forgiveness was NOT turned in (we checked. None of our enemies we beat got loss forgiven).

And in each of the 6 losses there was something especially crappy going on.

That Galio loss for example? That was a 3v5.

Yup.


FD... FD... FD...

I told you NOT to play when I'm not on vent or online. You guys ALWAYS lose when you do that lol. I'm your good luck charm ;)

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Biolizard28
10/28/11 5:06:00 PM
#268:


Was it HGR telling me a few weeks ago that Akali isn't overpowered?

So much for that, eh ace?

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KanzarisKelshen
10/28/11 5:12:00 PM
#269:


From: Biolizard28 | #268
Was it HGR telling me a few weeks ago that Akali isn't overpowered?

So much for that, eh ace?


Fun fact: in the last five-man we had where I played HGR ate a fed Akali up.

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Justin_Crossing
10/28/11 5:14:00 PM
#270:


Akali is like a better leblanc.

Absolutely nuts early game and then tapers off the longer the game gets.

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Biolizard28
10/28/11 5:18:00 PM
#271:


JC, I want to apologize for losing my cool, but at the same time I want you to understand that I'm cool with being given advice or asked to do something, but nothing fires me up more than somebody telling me how to play the game.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/28/11 5:23:00 PM
#272:


From: Silver_Ermine | #267
FD... FD... FD...

I told you NOT to play when I'm not on vent or online. You guys ALWAYS lose when you do that lol. I'm your good luck charm ;)




Care to explain how we only got 6 points for our win last night?
;_;

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Biolizard28
10/28/11 5:44:00 PM
#273:


Crisis: Should I get Udyr or Shaco?

Two junglers. Both seem fun. Udyr is probably smarter, but Shaco seems like a champion I can abuse more.

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Justin_Crossing
10/28/11 5:47:00 PM
#274:


If you get Shaco you will have to play him a lot to master him because he is one of the most complicated champs there is.

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Gwindor
10/28/11 5:51:00 PM
#275:


So: How do you counter Kassadin mid?

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Biolizard28
10/28/11 6:01:00 PM
#276:


From: Justin_Crossing | #274
If you get Shaco you will have to play him a lot to master him because he is one of the most complicated champs there is.


I intend to since he seems like a champion I'd want to play a lot of.

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MUKMASTER2
10/28/11 6:12:00 PM
#277:


I can't ****ing wait until Olaf buffs.

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10/28/11 7:43:00 PM
#278:


http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/shyvana-patch-preview-balance-and-gameplay-changes


Graves
His passive is reduced by 25%, and he loses it faster
Buckshot deals less damage

Wukong
Offensive increases
Decoy has unspecified bug fixes

Olaf
Ragnarok can break out of CC, but the duration is reduced

Shaco
"Almost every one of his abilities is getting tweaked"
Boxes deal less damage, increased range and arm time
Name is confirmed as "Shay-ko"

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Biolizard28
10/28/11 8:13:00 PM
#279:


Predictable Graves nerfs, but never forget how previous ranged AD nerfs worked out. (Hint: Nobody cared)

Not sure about Shaco changes, I'll need to see them notes

Olaf ult change doesn't sound terribly impressive.

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Aecioo
10/28/11 8:50:00 PM
#280:


Gwindor posted...
So: How do you counter Kassadin mid?

Send an ad mid. Cait in qparticular makes him cry

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SythaWarrior
10/28/11 8:54:00 PM
#281:


Sending Ashe, Cait or Fortune mid makes Kass cry quite a bit. Tanky DPS/Bursty Assassins with gapclosers work well too. I'm not how the AP vs. Kass goes but every AP player hates him so I'm guessing it's pretty unfun.

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10/28/11 8:55:00 PM
#282:


Gwindor posted...
So: How do you counter Kassadin mid?

I was in a game with other B8ers just recently where I (Miss Fortune) switched with our mid (Annie) when we realized Kassadin was their only viable mid. I was able to shut him down a lot, but I think it much of it may have been the result of him not knowing how to handle Miss Fortune specifically (standing behind minions, etc), so I don't know how helpful that is to you.

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Gwindor
10/28/11 8:58:00 PM
#283:


I was the Annie in that game Anagram =D

I ask, because we sent our Ashe against a Kassadin today, and she got destroyed. Died three times and no farm. If Ashe is supposed to be able to mid against kass, then I guess it came down to the players.

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10/28/11 9:11:00 PM
#284:


Gwindor posted...
I was the Annie in that game Anagram =D

I ask, because we sent our Ashe against a Kassadin today, and she got destroyed. Died three times and no farm. If Ashe is supposed to be able to mid against kass, then I guess it came down to the players.


I knew it was either you or HGR, because I remember Sythia was in the game too, and he hates playing AP carries.

Your Ashe losing may be because Ashe's slow is less helpful against someone with a built-in flash, and she has only one poking ability. Or it may be because your Ashe sucked.

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Biolizard28
10/28/11 9:12:00 PM
#285:


Full notes aren't out yet, let's be patient.

Unless you think Shaco getting all of his abilities tweaked just meant sniper boxes.

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10/28/11 9:13:00 PM
#286:


MUKMASTER2 posted...
Not as excited about Olaf buffs.

Riot on Olaf buffs "we may have overdone it, you will **** bricks!"

-_-


Yeah, that was bizarre. It is a buff, but it's not a brick-level buff.

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MUKMASTER2
10/28/11 9:13:00 PM
#287:


Not as excited about Olaf buffs.
He's easily kited. He probably still can be exhausted, silenced, and blinded during it.

Riot on Olaf buffs "we may have overdone it, you will **** bricks!"

-_-

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MUKMASTER2
10/28/11 9:16:00 PM
#288:


Anagram posted...
MUKMASTER2 posted...
Not as excited about Olaf buffs.

Riot on Olaf buffs "we may have overdone it, you will **** bricks!"

-_-

Yeah, that was bizarre. It is a buff, but it's not a brick-level buff.


Well, they were right. I did **** a brick when I saw the buff. Just not the good kind of brick ****ting.

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MUKMASTER2
10/28/11 10:28:00 PM
#289:


Ok I change my mind. I'm definitely wanting Olaf's new cleanse.

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Justin_Crossing
10/28/11 11:13:00 PM
#290:


I suppose Add Janna

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TheConductorSix
10/29/11 12:23:00 AM
#291:


Olaf's Buffs don't really solve anything. He's like Trynd in that he dives in and causes chaos by hitting his ult and ignoring all disables. I'll have to see them in action but they just don't sound useful.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/29/11 12:42:00 AM
#292:


From: Justin_Crossing | #290
I suppose Add Janna


great job those games JC ^_^ Hope you had fun too.



Some of us played a few in house with a group of people most of whom were 1600+ and it went pretty nice. Both JC and PotatoCannon did quite well.

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red13n
10/29/11 12:42:00 AM
#293:


I suppose Add Janna

just remove everyone else.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/29/11 12:42:00 AM
#294:


Also tonight > last night so far

Win ~ Galio ~ 1-5-24 (5.00) [+13] 1620
Win ~ Alistar ~ 1-1-8 (9.00) [+12] 1632

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Biolizard28
10/29/11 9:13:00 AM
#295:


From: TheConductorSix | #291
Olaf's Buffs don't really solve anything. He's like Trynd in that he dives in and causes chaos by hitting his ult and ignoring all disables. I'll have to see them in action but they just don't sound useful.


There's a difference. Olaf's ultimate actually helps him fight. Trynd's ult helps him run away.

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Justin_Crossing
10/29/11 11:33:00 AM
#296:


From: red13n | #293
I suppose Add Janna

just remove everyone else.


rammus: ok

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Biolizard28
10/29/11 12:20:00 PM
#297:


I'm going to do what I did with my first 3150 purchase.

Poll time

Shaco
Udyr
Post-Buff Olaf

First to three is my new jungling buddy.

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KommunistKoala
10/29/11 12:27:00 PM
#298:


Udyr

Olaf only if you plan to buy Brolaf

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meisnewbie
10/29/11 12:36:00 PM
#299:


Shaco imo. You like to depend on yourself often and like to make large contributions to teams and I think the assassin role is the type of champ you'd like the best even if they do have really high skill caps.

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Biolizard28
10/29/11 1:28:00 PM
#300:


From: meisnewbie | #299
Shaco imo. You like to depend on yourself often and like to make large contributions to teams and I think the assassin role is the type of champ you'd like the best even if they do have really high skill caps.


This actually makes perfect sense.

Screw the poll, send in the clowns.

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