Board 8 > ITT The reason Pokemon has been a formulaic rehash franchise for the last decade

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iGenesis
12/13/11 9:52:00 PM
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Official Nintendo Magazine interview with Junichi Masuda (director):

ONM: Pokémon is now over 15 years old. In that time have you ever considered reinventing the series or do you think fans like the fact that it's familiar?

Junichi Masuda: If we thought totally reinventing the series would be attractive enough, we would definitely try. But, if we want to simply try something new, then, I just add those ideas to a new series. (laugh)


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12/13/11 9:53:00 PM
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(laugh)

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MarvelousGerbil
12/13/11 9:58:00 PM
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TBQH, wouldn't games like Mystery Dungeon and Rumble be considered "something new" for the series? <_<

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iGenesis
12/13/11 10:01:00 PM
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From: MarvelousGerbil | #003
TBQH, wouldn't games like Mystery Dungeon and Rumble be considered "something new" for the series? <_<


No, just as Mario Sports Mix wouldn't be considered something new for the Mario series.

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Sakurafanboy
12/13/11 10:02:00 PM
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It prints money. Why change a working method?

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MarvelousGerbil
12/13/11 10:04:00 PM
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Maybe I just don't "get it" then because why can't we retain the good old games and still have new games that may or may not be good? If Rumble had been handed a brand new batch of pokemon, had two versions and was marketed as a mainline game, people would have probably been pissed off.

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Team Rocket Elite
12/13/11 10:05:00 PM
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Sequels for those who want more of the same with minor tweaks. New games for those who want something different. What's wrong with that? Wouldn't you prefer new works to have new characters rather than forcing older ones into it?

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Surskit
12/13/11 10:15:00 PM
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Yeah, I'm fine with the main series being "rehashes" and all those weird-ass experimental sideline games, such as Mystery Dungeon, Ranger and Rumble.

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HeroDelTiempo17
12/13/11 10:16:00 PM
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See, there's something a bit wrong with him saying that because he works for Game Freak. And since making Pokemon Red and Blue in 1996, GameFreak has done nothing but Pokemon except for Drill Dozer and whatever the hell this is:



But anyways, I always thought that "new ideas" with Pokemon was the job of the spin-off series, and that the main series remain classic turn-based JRPGs. That works fine for me. The only problem is that IMO the Pokemon spin-off games generally aren't very good. <_<
It would be interesting to see GameFreak themselves helm a Pokemon spin-off.

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Azp2k32
12/13/11 10:18:00 PM
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
But anyways, I always thought that "new ideas" with Pokemon was the job of the spin-off series, and that the main series remain classic turn-based JRPGs. That works fine for me. The only problem is that IMO the Pokemon spin-off games generally aren't very good. <_<
It would be interesting to see GameFreak themselves helm a Pokemon spin-off.


The Mystery Dungeon series is pretty good, and the Puzzle League titles for N64/GBC were fun. Stuff like Dash, Ranger, and Rumble have missed the mark though.

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JJH777
12/13/11 10:19:00 PM
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Implying being a formulaic rehash is a bad thing

Pokemon Black/White goty unless Skyward Sword amazes me.

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12/13/11 10:20:00 PM
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All I got from the first post was

TROLOLOLOLOLOLO TROLOLOLO

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KJH
12/13/11 10:29:00 PM
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Black/White was really good. Like, a lot better than DPP or RSE gens.

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iGenesis
12/13/11 10:55:00 PM
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From: Team Rocket Elite | #007
Sequels for those who want more of the same with minor tweaks. New games for those who want something different. What's wrong with that? Wouldn't you prefer new works to have new characters rather than forcing older ones into it?


They're not even "minor" tweaks...just nonexistent. The ability to evolve and balance innovation vs. familiarity is what separates Pokemon from Tier 1 franchises such as Mario, Zelda, Metroid, ...

You can't be serious when you claim that the only way to shake up the Pokemon formula is through a spinoff.

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MarvelousGerbil
12/13/11 10:57:00 PM
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iGenesis posted...
From: Team Rocket Elite | #007
Sequels for those who want more of the same with minor tweaks. New games for those who want something different. What's wrong with that? Wouldn't you prefer new works to have new characters rather than forcing older ones into it?
They're not even "minor" tweaks...just nonexistent. The ability to evolve and balance innovation vs. familiarity is what separates Pokemon from Tier 1 franchises such as Mario, Zelda, Metroid, ...

You can't be serious when you claim that the only way to shake up the Pokemon formula is through a spinoff.



Except the series has evolved... a lot. If you compare even FR/LG to R/B they're extremely different games in ways other than just graphics, fixing the plethora of bugs from R/B, and adding new Pokemon. I believe someone a while ago started a topic where he went over every new aspect of pokemon since the RBY days. I don't think it got very far off the ground, but there were a ton of changes. If you don't see a huge number of changes in the past 15 years, you haven't been playing the games.

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Team Rocket Elite
12/13/11 11:04:00 PM
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They're not even "minor" tweaks...just nonexistent. The ability to evolve and balance innovation vs. familiarity is what separates Pokemon from Tier 1 franchises such as Mario, Zelda, Metroid, ...

You can't be serious when you claim that the only way to shake up the Pokemon formula is through a spinoff.


I'm saying DON'T shake up the series. Leave the mainline game alone for the people like me who like the rehashes. Whether you like it or not, there's millions of people who like them. If you have some great new idea go make a new series.

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iGenesis
12/13/11 11:48:00 PM
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From: MarvelousGerbil | #016
Except the series has evolved... a lot. If you compare even FR/LG to R/B they're extremely different games in ways other than just graphics, fixing the plethora of bugs from R/B, and adding new Pokemon. I believe someone a while ago started a topic where he went over every new aspect of pokemon since the RBY days. I don't think it got very far off the ground, but there were a ton of changes. If you don't see a huge number of changes in the past 15 years, you haven't been playing the games.


It's front heavy. D/P and B/W's changes are minuscule compared to the leaps G/S and to a lesser extent, R/S did. Gamefreak's execs are getting lazier and lazier because they know the games still sell.

From: Team Rocket Elite | #017
I'm saying DON'T shake up the series. Leave the mainline game alone for the people like me who like the rehashes. Whether you like it or not, there's millions of people who like them. If you have some great new idea go make a new series.


No. Rehash lovers like you definitely make up the minority of pokemon's fanbase. this is why the pokemon fanbase is ever shifting (except the nostalgia fanboys from RBY's days) and new kids constantly replace the 11-14 year-olds who start outgrowing the franchise.

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Liquid Wind
12/13/11 11:50:00 PM
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it prints money so why change it? when you find a massive fanbase that isn't smart enough to stop buying the same thing over and over again, you milk it until it dies. lr2activision
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Kenri
12/14/11 12:03:00 AM
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No. Rehash lovers like you definitely make up the minority of pokemon's fanbase. this is why the pokemon fanbase is ever shifting (except the nostalgia fanboys from RBY's days) and new kids constantly replace the 11-14 year-olds who start outgrowing the franchise.

I'm pretty sure this is factually incorrect.

Like, Nintendo did an actual survey of the people who bought HGSS and determined it was generally not a game purchased by those in the age range you're suggesting.

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iGenesis
12/14/11 12:26:00 AM
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From: Kenri | #020
Like, Nintendo did an actual survey of the people who bought HGSS and determined it was generally not a game purchased by those in the age range you're suggesting.


LOL, HGSS

that's marketed at the GS nostalgia crowd.

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Kenri
12/14/11 12:33:00 AM
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LOL, HGSS

that's marketed at the GS nostalgia crowd.


The fact that it sold over 10 million copies - and to a core audience, by your own admission - seems to imply that the fanbase is pretty okay with rehashes overall.

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StealThisSheen
12/14/11 12:36:00 AM
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iGenesis posted...
LOL, HGSS

that's marketed at the GS nostalgia crowd.



...You just said people that like rehashes make up a minority of Pokemon fans.

A REMAKE was purchased most of all by people over the demographic you suggest.

As in a game fans had already played and didn't have the appeal of new Pokemon, moves, etc.

Do you not see where your logic went wrong.



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foolm0ron
12/14/11 12:46:00 AM
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All I know about pokemon games past GSC is the music, and B/W changed a LOT there

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JJH777
12/14/11 12:57:00 AM
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The Real Truth
12/14/11 1:06:00 AM
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Pokemon has a ton it could change to make it more interesting than it is, but there's seriously no reason to. The games sell incredibly well. It's the same reason CoD hardly changes with each no release. Anything beyond minor change could turn a ton of people off, unfortunately. Though looking at Final Fantasy, that's probably not true. FF13 was complete ass and drastically different, and people are still hanging with that series.

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iGenesis
12/14/11 1:38:00 AM
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From: The Real Truth | #026
Pokemon has a ton it could change to make it more interesting than it is, but there's seriously no reason to.


for the last f***ing time, it's not just about sales and making money.

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ArtosRC
12/14/11 12:25:00 PM
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You're getting an online Pokemon in World of Pandacraft. In a perfect world, Nintendo would have done this back in 2006.

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StealThisSheen
12/14/11 2:30:00 PM
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iGenesis posted...
for the last f***ing time, it's not just about sales and making money.


And this is why you are not, and never will be allowed to make any sort of business decisions. Ever.

You don't change what your core fanbase loves. And you ESPECIALLY don't change it when it sells so damn well.



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OctilIery
12/14/11 2:39:00 PM
#31:


From: iGenesis | #027
for the last f***ing time, it's not just about sales and making money.


Yes it is. In the end, that is what ALL business comes down to.

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swirIdude
12/14/11 6:22:00 PM
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From: iGenesis | #027
for the last f***ing time, it's not just about sales and making money.


I knew that tier gif was dumb, but this just proves how off-base you are.

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diebuster2
12/14/11 6:25:00 PM
#33:


iGenesis posted...
From: The Real Truth | #026
Pokemon has a ton it could change to make it more interesting than it is, but there's seriously no reason to.
for the last f***ing time, it's not just about sales and making money.


HAHAHHAHAAAHAHAHHA...

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EndOfDiscOne
12/14/11 7:30:00 PM
#34:


I enjoyed iGenesis' trolling on the Skyward Sword board. Glad he's coming here now too.

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Not Dave
12/14/11 7:33:00 PM
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iGenesis topic

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Hello10000
12/14/11 7:37:00 PM
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Pokemon Snap was a good game. Sad Nintendo never made a sequel, with all the pokemon and stuff that has come out since then, there is a great potential for the series.

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Azp2k32
12/14/11 7:40:00 PM
#37:


EndOfDiscOne posted...
I enjoyed iGenesis' trolling on the Skyward Sword board. Glad he's coming here now too.

He's come here for intermittent Pokémon bashing threads for a while. Usually they just don't get anywhere near this number of posts.

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