Board 8 > So who was champion before... (Pokemon spoilers)

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Anagram 12/14/11 10:23:00 PM #1:	Who was the Indigo League Champion before Blue? Every region seems to have one, but there's no mention of any trainer in Kanto or Johto better than Lance except for Red and Blue, and there's no mention of a fifth Elite Four member who got kicked out to make room for Lance once Blue conquered the league. -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:556938] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> Who was the Indigo League Champion before Blue? Every region seems to have one, but there's no mention of any trainer in Kanto or Johto better than Lance except for Red and Blue, and there's no mention of a fifth Elite Four member who got kicked out to make room for Lance once Blue conquered the league. -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swirIdude 12/14/11 10:24:00 PM #2:	It's assumed to be Lance. -- "Tebow losing is basically the same thing as Christ suffering on the cross." ~SmartMuffin "you are peathice" ~ertyu <cite>swirIdude posted [p:556939] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> It's assumed to be Lance. -- "Tebow losing is basically the same thing as Christ suffering on the cross." ~SmartMuffin"you are peathice" ~ertyu </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/14/11 10:25:00 PM #3:	Yeah I always assumed that no one had ever beaten the E4 until Blue and Red came along. -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:556940] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> Yeah I always assumed that no one had ever beaten the E4 until Blue and Red came along. -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gifhttp://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Natwaf_akidna 12/14/11 10:27:00 PM #4:	Lance is most likely. On a more crazy note, could be Oak. -- My Little Phineas and Ferb: Summer is Magic! <cite>Natwaf_akidna posted [p:556941] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> Lance is most likely.On a more crazy note, could be Oak. -- My Little Phineas and Ferb: Summer is Magic! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 12/14/11 10:28:00 PM #5:	Yeah, remember when you beat Lance he says something like "Congratulations, you're the Pokemon League Champion! . . . Or you would be except that I just got beat by someone else!" So when Blue beat him, there was nobody else to challenge after Lance, he was the Champion. -- The Temple of Kraden, a forum for fans of Golden Sun: http://z9.invisionfree.com/The_Temple_of_Kraden/index.php?act=site <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:556942] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> Yeah, remember when you beat Lance he says something like "Congratulations, you're the Pokemon League Champion! . . . Or you would be except that I just got beat by someone else!"So when Blue beat him, there was nobody else to challenge after Lance, he was the Champion. -- The Temple of Kraden, a forum for fans of Golden Sun: http://z9.invisionfree.com/The_Temple_of_Kraden/index.php?act=site </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 12/14/11 10:28:00 PM #6:	But every other region has a champion, so why would the Indigo League have only an Elite Four? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:556943] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> But every other region has a champion, so why would the Indigo League have only an Elite Four? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sorozone 12/14/11 10:29:00 PM #7:	Toughest region. -- - <cite>Sorozone posted [p:556944] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> Toughest region. -- - </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 12/14/11 10:30:00 PM #8:	Either nobody had beat them before, or the former Champion left (like Red obviously does at some point between Gen 1 and Gen 2) -- http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8840/crashsig.jpg Dr_Football's bracket was made with 23 flavors. <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:556945] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> Either nobody had beat them before, or the former Champion left (like Red obviously does at some point between Gen 1 and Gen 2) -- http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8840/crashsig.jpgDr_Football's bracket was made with 23 flavors. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/14/11 10:30:00 PM #9:	Well most everyone in the regions sucks at Pokemon battling anyways so why is it that hard to believe? -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:556946] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> Well most everyone in the regions sucks at Pokemon battling anyways so why is it that hard to believe? -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gifhttp://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlecTrevelyan006 12/14/11 10:34:00 PM #10:	From: HeroDelTiempo17 \| #009 Well most everyone in the regions sucks at Pokemon battling anyways so why is it that hard to believe? Tremble before the wrath of my three metapods. -- http://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/tiroalecjpgap.jpg http://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/alecjpgyt.jpg <cite>AlecTrevelyan006 posted [p:556947] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> From: HeroDelTiempo17 \| #009Well most everyone in the regions sucks at Pokemon battling anyways so why is it that hard to believe?Tremble before the wrath of my three metapods. -- http://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/tiroalecjpgap.jpghttp://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/alecjpgyt.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 12/14/11 10:34:00 PM #11:	*Anagram posted...* But every other region has a champion, so why would the Indigo League have only an Elite Four? R/B/Y is chronologically before the others. Maybe they didn't have champions at this point either.. is there any indication as to how old the Elite Four is? Maybe it was created relatively shortly before R/B. -- For your BlAcK TuRtLe. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:556948] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> Anagram posted...But every other region has a champion, so why would the Indigo League have only an Elite Four?R/B/Y is chronologically before the others. Maybe they didn't have champions at this point either.. is there any indication as to how old the Elite Four is? Maybe it was created relatively shortly before R/B. -- For your BlAcK TuRtLe.At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swirIdude 12/14/11 10:34:00 PM #12:	From: Anagram \| #006 But every other region has a champion, so why would the Indigo League have only an Elite Four? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation -- "Tebow losing is basically the same thing as Christ suffering on the cross." ~SmartMuffin "you are peathice" ~ertyu <cite>swirIdude posted [p:556949] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> From: Anagram \| #006But every other region has a champion, so why would the Indigo League have only an Elite Four?http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation -- "Tebow losing is basically the same thing as Christ suffering on the cross." ~SmartMuffin"you are peathice" ~ertyu </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mnkboy907 12/14/11 10:36:00 PM #13:	From: MoogleKupo141 \| #012 R/B/Y is chronologically before the others. Maybe they didn't have champions at this point either.. is there any indication as to how old the Elite Four is? Maybe it was created relatively shortly before R/B. They're actually about the same time as R/S/E in the timeline, and Hoenn had a Champion. -- http://i45.tinypic.com/fpchec.gif http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9413/cutepuppy16.png - Number of people that D'awwed: 63 <cite>mnkboy907 posted [p:556950] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> From: MoogleKupo141 \| #012R/B/Y is chronologically before the others. Maybe they didn't have champions at this point either.. is there any indication as to how old the Elite Four is? Maybe it was created relatively shortly before R/B.They're actually about the same time as R/S/E in the timeline, and Hoenn had a Champion. -- http://i45.tinypic.com/fpchec.gifhttp://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9413/cutepuppy16.png - Number of people that D'awwed: 63 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 12/14/11 10:37:00 PM #14:	Isn't it more or less implied that there was no champion/Lance was the "champion," and that Blue was the first one to beat him? At the point where RBY falls, chronologically, Lance is the best trainer before Red/Blue, so it's fully believable he had just never been beaten since the Elite Four's creation. -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:556951] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> Isn't it more or less implied that there was no champion/Lance was the "champion," and that Blue was the first one to beat him? At the point where RBY falls, chronologically, Lance is the best trainer before Red/Blue, so it's fully believable he had just never been beaten since the Elite Four's creation. -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 12/14/11 10:38:00 PM #15:	Actually thinking about it more, in RBY and FRLG, Red never really stays as Champion. If you go back and fight E4 again, Blue is still there as Champion. So I guess if the Champion leaves then the previous Champion takes over. Which then explains why Lance is the Champion again in GSC, since Blue left to be a gym leader. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] If you can't slam with the best, then jam with the rest. <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:556952] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> Actually thinking about it more, in RBY and FRLG, Red never really stays as Champion. If you go back and fight E4 again, Blue is still there as Champion. So I guess if the Champion leaves then the previous Champion takes over. Which then explains why Lance is the Champion again in GSC, since Blue left to be a gym leader. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE]If you can't slam with the best, then jam with the rest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mnkboy907 12/14/11 10:40:00 PM #16:	From: WazzupGenius00 \| #015 Actually thinking about it more, in RBY and FRLG, Red never really stays as Champion. If you go back and fight E4 again, Blue is still there as Champion. So I guess if the Champion leaves then the previous Champion takes over. Which then explains why Lance is the Champion again in GSC, since Blue left to be a gym leader. I've never thought about it before, but that's extremely unfair. Trainers trying to compete in the Indigo League have to beat a freaking Champion before they can even challenge the Elite 4... -- http://i45.tinypic.com/fpchec.gif http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9413/cutepuppy16.png - Number of people that D'awwed: 63 <cite>mnkboy907 posted [p:556953] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> From: WazzupGenius00 \| #015Actually thinking about it more, in RBY and FRLG, Red never really stays as Champion. If you go back and fight E4 again, Blue is still there as Champion. So I guess if the Champion leaves then the previous Champion takes over. Which then explains why Lance is the Champion again in GSC, since Blue left to be a gym leader.I've never thought about it before, but that's extremely unfair. Trainers trying to compete in the Indigo League have to beat a freaking Champion before they can even challenge the Elite 4... -- http://i45.tinypic.com/fpchec.gifhttp://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9413/cutepuppy16.png - Number of people that D'awwed: 63 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EmDubyaSee 12/14/11 10:40:00 PM #17:	From: MoogleKupo141 \| #012 *Anagram posted...* But every other region has a champion, so why would the Indigo League have only an Elite Four? R/B/Y is chronologically before the others. Maybe they didn't have champions at this point either.. is there any indication as to how old the Elite Four is? Maybe it was created relatively shortly before R/B. It happens the same time as RSE. 3 years prior to GSC and DPP. I really don't know when BW take place. There was a Champion in RSE however (2 of them actually). That said, yes, Lance was the Champion. All the other regions talk about how there is an Elite 4, AND a Champion Not one single soul in Kanto ever talks about that. Everyone just tells you that they are the 4 strongest trainers in teh world. When you get there, and beat Lance, first time through, you thought you were the Champion. Only after he told you Blue/Gary beat you there did you understand you had one more ridiculous fight left. -- From: Regaro_Ukiera \| MWC is god-tier <cite>EmDubyaSee posted [p:556954] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> From: MoogleKupo141 \| #012Anagram posted...But every other region has a champion, so why would the Indigo League have only an Elite Four?R/B/Y is chronologically before the others. Maybe they didn't have champions at this point either.. is there any indication as to how old the Elite Four is? Maybe it was created relatively shortly before R/B.It happens the same time as RSE. 3 years prior to GSC and DPP. I really don't know when BW take place. There was a Champion in RSE however (2 of them actually).That said, yes, Lance was the Champion. All the other regions talk about how there is an Elite 4, AND a Champion Not one single soul in Kanto ever talks about that. Everyone just tells you that they are the 4 strongest trainers in teh world. When you get there, and beat Lance, first time through, you thought you were the Champion. Only after he told you Blue/Gary beat you there did you understand you had one more ridiculous fight left. -- From: Regaro_Ukiera \| MWC is god-tier </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AsurasKordoth 12/14/11 10:44:00 PM #18:	From: HeroDelTiempo17 \| #009 Well most everyone in the regions sucks at Pokemon battling anyways so why is it that hard to believe? This. There was like a grand total of 1 random trainer who did not completely suck in RBY. That one Cooltrainer who had Ivysaur, Wartotle, Charmeleon, and Charizard. Give him a few weeks to train/evolve his Pokemon and he would've had a real shot at beating Lance. -- -Merc <cite>AsurasKordoth posted [p:556955] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> From: HeroDelTiempo17 \| #009Well most everyone in the regions sucks at Pokemon battling anyways so why is it that hard to believe? This. There was like a grand total of 1 random trainer who did not completely suck in RBY. That one Cooltrainer who had Ivysaur, Wartotle, Charmeleon, and Charizard. Give him a few weeks to train/evolve his Pokemon and he would've had a real shot at beating Lance. -- -Merc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EmDubyaSee 12/14/11 10:46:00 PM #19:	From: mnkboy907 \| #016 I've never thought about it before, but that's extremely unfair. Trainers trying to compete in the Indigo League have to beat a freaking Champion before they can even challenge the Elite 4... My guess is most people who wanted to challenge the Elite 4 probably just got the Johto badges. Gym leaders at Johto come at you with a HooT hoot and an underleveled Pidgetto, or a Kakuna, Metapod, and a Scyther (before U Turn existed). In addition to Kanto having a FRIGGIN CHAMPION as one of it's gym leaders, you have people coming at you with Golem, Rhydon, Steelix, Kabutops and Omastar -- From: Regaro_Ukiera \| MWC is god-tier <cite>EmDubyaSee posted [p:556956] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> From: mnkboy907 \| #016I've never thought about it before, but that's extremely unfair. Trainers trying to compete in the Indigo League have to beat a freaking Champion before they can even challenge the Elite 4...My guess is most people who wanted to challenge the Elite 4 probably just got the Johto badges. Gym leaders at Johto come at you with a HooT hoot and an underleveled Pidgetto, or a Kakuna, Metapod, and a Scyther (before U Turn existed). In addition to Kanto having a FRIGGIN CHAMPION as one of it's gym leaders, you have people coming at you with Golem, Rhydon, Steelix, Kabutops and Omastar -- From: Regaro_Ukiera \| MWC is god-tier </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AsurasKordoth 12/14/11 10:54:00 PM #20:	I've always subscribed to the theory that Gym Leaders use a different team based on who they are fighting. Their job is to challenge/test trainers... not beat the crap out of them. Hence why Falkner uses a freaking lvl 9 Pidgey and lvl 13 Pidgeotto when he first fights you... but in the rematch he has a pretty decent team of ~50s (probably his "real" team). And the Kanto leaders went all out on you since you're the champion. -- -Merc <cite>AsurasKordoth posted [p:556957] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> I've always subscribed to the theory that Gym Leaders use a different team based on who they are fighting. Their job is to challenge/test trainers... not beat the crap out of them. Hence why Falkner uses a freaking lvl 9 Pidgey and lvl 13 Pidgeotto when he first fights you... but in the rematch he has a pretty decent team of ~50s (probably his "real" team). And the Kanto leaders went all out on you since you're the champion. -- -Merc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dauntless Hunter 12/14/11 10:59:00 PM #21:	Because in RBY there was only meant to be an Elite Four, with the fourth being the Champion. But it had a plot twist that gave you an Elite Four AND a Champion! They didn't want later games to seem watered down in terms of content, so they always included a Champion besides the Elite Four. They just stopped explaining it in the plot. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Dauntless Hunter posted [p:556958] in So who was... [t:61357702]...</cite> <quote> Because in RBY there was only meant to be an Elite Four, with the fourth being the Champion. But it had a plot twist that gave you an Elite Four AND a Champion! They didn't want later games to seem watered down in terms of content, so they always included a Champion besides the Elite Four. They just stopped explaining it in the plot. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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