'k, saw chapter. basically goes... 'hey let's have a spell card battle!' marisa's turn starts, goes with stars first. then more stars second. and as for master spark...
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i mean there's a couple problems in there. takes off hat, spins it around, fires beam of light. fine so far, except there's a step in there to do it and the line basically just says that it's just a beam of light, nothing about its speed. then ignoring how she can fit an incantation in that short period of time, the first one just... doesn't even appear to move for no reason. like the other one catches up to it just fine from nothing which shouldn't be possible no matter how you slice it (get it). the incantation is after BOTH of them are right there no less.
i mean i ain't even sure if it were as goo das you're saying mirror bounce would even work in the first place either, but whatever there. she kinda got owned from the return hit anyway.
but this is about as 'light speed' as that one piece guy's kick. sure, it's a beam of light, and sure it's fast. but doesn't come off as speed of light in a vacuum at all.
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Marisa talks about the speed of light while showing off the mini-Hakkero then fires off an attack using it that her opponent claims is light based. There is no explicit statement that the attack moves at light speed but I think that's about as heavily as you can possibly imply that it does without being explicit. The person Marisa is attacking is Watatsuki no Yorihime a person who probably comparable to Yakumo Yukari in power. I guess we don't know much about her but it's likely she really is fast enough to cast a summon in a split second.
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It looks like hyperbole to me. Just saying. Plus, she isn't light speed herself. She FIRES the 2nd one before the 1st hits. That doesn't suggest lightspeed at all. Perhaps if she moved the same or similar distance as the beam it would make sense but from the panels we can't tell.
you can get considerably more implied than that. i mean just because something is made of light doesn't mean it's the same thing meant when people say light speed. that actually doesn't tell you anything. for all we know it's as fast as star wars blasters, hadoukens, or hell even heat vision. i mean yeah you're told this is a really fast move and that it's made of light, but... that's really it.
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Marisa is slightly slower than lightspeed. If she was much slower, she wouldn't be able to fire the second attack before the first hit.
Well the scans are there for people to interpret. Marisa is talking about lightspeed before showing off an light based attack that is acknowledged by her opponent to be a light based attack. I feel that reasonably implies that the attack really is moving at lightspeed even if there isn't an explicit statement from a impartial source to clock in the true speed of the attack.
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From: Team Rocket Elite | #055 Marisa is slightly slower than lightspeed. If she was much slower, she wouldn't be able to fire the second attack before the first hit.
Well the scans are there for people to interpret. Marisa is talking about lightspeed before showing off an light based attack that is acknowledged by her opponent to be a light based attack. I feel that reasonably implies that the attack really is moving at lightspeed even if there isn't an explicit statement from a impartial source to clock in the true speed of the attack.
There is no indication of that. Speed is simply measure by distance covered over time. An object only moving half the speed can still do it provides it moves half or less the distance as the beam before sending the 2nd attack.
I assume you're talking about this page:
In which case it's pretty obvious she's be facetious and condescending.
Gonna point out something here, despite the high level of firepower in the series, nobody is really actually hurt by all of it. I mean the spellcard system was introduced specifically to prevent fatalities (well, one in particular) by introducing artificial limits on the combat. So Marisa is almost certainly pretty durable.
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Not to mention, magical resistance isn't the same as physical resistance either. Like Kuja nearly no shows a megaflare from Bahamut, but if someone swung a claymore at his neck? Not a chance he's no showing that, and probably gets it full on severed.
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well this one's defended in that it's supposed to at least be one of the fastest attacks there. sometimes. it's more like the 'ever been kicked by light' than anything else.
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would imagine that final spark has far more power behind it than a building falling on him for one. not knowing the upper limits doesn't help a whole lot, but i wouldn't have problem seeing final spark putting a dent in the characters he's based on either.
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I don't know about that. Master Spark could take out a mountain. KM's shield could take a seven story granite building (if I'm remembering the Bank of England correctly), full of gold and crap, without him even caring. Seems roughly equivalent, as far as it goes
...not that it matters much, since I don't see her living past the opening 'She throws out her bullet hell spam, it gets ignored, KM rips her head off'
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master spark varies on what it is exactly, but if you mean the strongest one then... no it's definitely the kind of thing that goes well above mountain there. the 'normal' master spark is different, but what she fired in the manga was final (master) spark, which is the attack at max power. also noting is that it's something powered by a furnace that burns down mountains, not that the beam itself takes out mountains. considering it's just a concentrated beam, makes a lot more sense that it's well above that.
touhou isn't really a slouch on power with some spell cards able to be debated as to being planet busters, another character that makes actual suns, another one does black holes, etc. i wouldn't argue this being light speed because it really doesn't show or imply that enough for me to agree with that, but power isn't something i'd question.
there's also a pretty big difference than a concentrated beam not much bigger if at all from miracleman and a giant building. one of them requires taking the complete and entire brunt of an attack. the other requires you to really just needing to be able to go through the part of the building falling on you.
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oh yeah, 'fore i forget to sum it down: - miracle's tankier. - marisa's probably faster, but not by an incredible amount. could see this being the same though. neither's really that clearcut on their speed. - marisa is able to attack faster than she can move, that i can give. might be able to attack faster than him too. - but she won't do it to start, won't do it always, and if she's tagged she's dead. if he's tagged, he can very likely take a couple of her best attacks. depends on how strong final spark really is. her other stuff meanwhile shouldn't quite do him in, but it's not like they're weak attacks either.
like... if this was marisa vs. captain marvel i'd probably go her really. black adam would be more questionable. miracle being in the same vein of those guys makes him kinda weird for me as a result.
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Grabbed some more scans. KM and a random kid, right after he killed poor Stephanie
Then he catches Miracleman up in the clouds, shoots him in the face with lightning, and...well, art makes it kind of hard to tell just *what* he did there. He either piledrove Miracleman to Earth at mach 3, or just plain threw him at that speed. Seems the latter, since after the boom, KM comes down from the sky
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Also of note is that Miracleman dragged himself out of that a few minutes later to go after KM again (KM went to go kill Miracleman's wife), so he's pretty damn tanky himself. It's repeatedly hammered home that KM is way the hell out of his zipcode, though
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