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whatisurnameplz 01/12/12 1:59:00 PM #1: |
I don't see why so many people here love the guy. If you only look at the letter of the law then you won't get anything accomplished. If we weren't in a recession it would be one thing, but if he wins we'd be stuck in it for another 4 years.
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Uglyface2 01/12/12 2:01:00 PM #2: |
I think this video should answer your questions:
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whatisurnameplz 01/12/12 2:04:00 PM #3: |
From: Uglyface2 | #002 So they vote for him so they can get gold and guns? -- SuperNiceDog has won. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_DK 01/12/12 2:05:00 PM #4: |
because people want indie cred in more than just music tastes.
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KingButz 01/12/12 2:08:00 PM #5: |
I like him because the government doesn't. He won't go along with their corrupt bulls***.
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whatisurnameplz 01/12/12 2:10:00 PM #6: |
From: KingButz | #005 Even if he gets rid of government corruption, he will make the fed so weak that people can get away with anything. -- SuperNiceDog has won. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Aecioo 01/12/12 2:12:00 PM #7: |
Ron Paul would have been the greatest president ever 100 years ago. Now, not so much.
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foolmor0n 01/12/12 2:13:00 PM #8: |
From: whatisurnameplz | #006 gee I can't imagine how that would be -- _foolmo_ 'he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance' - ertyu quoting Tidus ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SlymDayspring 01/12/12 2:14:00 PM #9: |
They like him because he scares the establishment and is consistent about his beliefs, which is rare in politicians.
Unfortunately, he has crazy ideas that would be devastating to our country if implemented. I wish that someone with more palatable ideas who scared the establishment actually caught on. -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Inviso 01/12/12 2:18:00 PM #10: |
I like him because he feels honest. Watching the speeches after the New Hampshire primaries, it was like...
Mitt Romney: I'm gonna fix EVERYTHING and make us the best damn nation in the world without negatively impacting ANYONE! Ron Paul: I'm gonna make changes that people might not like, but they need to be made. They had this thing of CNN where undecided voters could say whether they liked or disliked what was being said. Romney was almost ALWAYS liked, whereas Ron Paul rose and dropped. It was clear that he was saying his honest beliefs, rather than saying what voters want to hear. -- Captain Tracy Mombaro and Agent Mirasuke Inhara: Two of the toughest, hottest furrs you'll ever meet. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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whatisurnameplz 01/12/12 2:18:00 PM #11: |
Found this while searching for his favorite president. This alone proves that Ron Paul won't do anything. -- SuperNiceDog has won. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingButz 01/12/12 2:19:00 PM #12: |
From: SlymDayspring | #009 Luckily we have a congress that would (hopefully) stop his more crazy ideas. But yeah uncorruptible completely sane people don't want to be president, so that's our dilemma -- My Japanese alter-ego. Hey all this is Bartz btw. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingButz 01/12/12 2:21:00 PM #13: |
From: whatisurnameplz | #011 I only listened for 30 seconds but all I heard was Newt Gingrich -- My Japanese alter-ego. Hey all this is Bartz btw. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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whatisurnameplz 01/12/12 2:24:00 PM #14: |
From: KingButz | #013 Basically he said that Ron Paul's favorite president was Grover Cleveland because he vetoed everything. Cleveland also said that the people should support the government but the government shouldn't support the people. -- SuperNiceDog has won. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TomNook7 01/13/12 11:33:00 AM #15: |
Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate that doesn't stand for the status quo. Everything intelligent progressives tried to achieve with Obama in 2008 failed thanks to his lies, so now we're trying for Ron Paul.
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VincentLauw 01/13/12 11:36:00 AM #16: |
People like the underdog
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special_sauce 01/13/12 12:56:00 PM #17: |
Because Obama and Romney are the same candidate.
From: whatisurnameplz | #014 What? He said that his OWN favorite president was Grover Cleveland because he vetoed ONE THING Listening comprehension From: VincentLauw | #016 If this was true I would be all over Huntsman's **** right now -- Me_Pie_Three wants a SuperNiceDog for Christmas http://img2.moonbuggy.org/imgstore/special-sauce-is-my-friend.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VincentLauw 01/13/12 12:58:00 PM #18: |
From: special_sauce | #017 I said underdog, not lost cause -- http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Oprahs-Bees.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SlymDayspring 01/13/12 1:00:00 PM #19: |
Everything intelligent progressives tried to achieve with Obama in 2008 failed thanks to his lies, so now we're trying for Ron Paul.
....This is absurd. MOST of what Obama ran on (definitely not all though) held true. People just thought he was much farther to the left than he was. And there are other things that simply he could not get done. Would you call Ron Paul a liar if he became president and didn't accomplish everything he is saying? because he sure isn't going to get the support necessary to do most of it. ....but more importantly, ROFL@ the idea that ron paul supports things that "intelligent progressives" do. ron paul is the candidate of regressives. -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vlado 01/13/12 1:08:00 PM #20: |
TomNook7 posted...
Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate that doesn't stand for the status quo. Everything intelligent progressives tried to achieve with Obama in 2008 failed thanks to his lies, so now we're trying for Ron Paul. A+ post. Excellently put. -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES! Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingButz 01/13/12 1:11:00 PM #21: |
Ron Paul is also the only candidate that opposes all of our stupid wars and foreign policy involvements (including our mind-numbingly stupid involvement with Israel which is going to pull us into yet another war).
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LordoftheMorons 01/13/12 1:19:00 PM #22: |
KingButz posted...
Ron Paul is also the only candidate that opposes all of our stupid wars and foreign policy involvements (including our mind-numbingly stupid involvement with Israel which is going to pull us into yet another war). This stuff is good. Unregulated capitalism isn't. -- http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png No I'm not a damn furry. Looney Tunes are different. - Guiga ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingButz 01/13/12 1:27:00 PM #23: |
From: LordoftheMorons | #022 Unregulated capitalism > Crony capitalism -- My Japanese alter-ego. Hey all this is Bartz btw. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OmarsComin 01/13/12 1:28:00 PM #24: |
he's less horrible than everyone else, which is about the best you can do in the US
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redrocket 01/13/12 1:30:00 PM #25: |
SlymDayspring posted...
....but more importantly, ROFL@ the idea that ron paul supports things that "intelligent progressives" do. ron paul is the candidate of regressives. I think you have him confused with Santorum. Or maybe Perry. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 01/13/12 1:35:00 PM #26: |
From: whatisurnameplz | #011 Because passing a bunch of laws = doing something, right? That kind of logic is why we are in our current state, and why Ron Paul is attractive -- _foolmo_ 'It's easy to get yourself in trouble if you start quoting people who don't like you in your signature' - Mods ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TomNook7 01/13/12 1:36:00 PM #27: |
SlymDayspring posted...
....This is absurd. MOST of what Obama ran on (definitely not all though) held true. People just thought he was much farther to the left than he was. And there are other things that simply he could not get done. Would you call Ron Paul a liar if he became president and didn't accomplish everything he is saying? because he sure isn't going to get the support necessary to do most of it. ....but more importantly, ROFL@ the idea that ron paul supports things that "intelligent progressives" do. ron paul is the candidate of regressives. He promised to get us out of the wars and to repeal the Patriot Act. Instead, he bombs three countries (and gets a Nobel Peace Prize for it), and signs the NDAA of 2012. He also supports bailouts and the FED. I used to be an Obama supporter too, man. It's okay to admit you've made mistakes. And yeah, it's sad when our country is so far gone that the only progression we could possibly make is by going back to our roots. -- Genesis does what Nintendon't http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TomNook7 01/13/12 1:38:00 PM #28: |
Honestly, if you really want to know why we all love Ron Paul, then check this out. http://whyronpaul.com/
You have to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Democrats vs Republicans doesn't work anymore because Bush, Obama, and Romney are all technically the same person. -- Genesis does what Nintendon't http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 01/13/12 1:39:00 PM #29: |
From: SlymDayspring | #019 No, as long as he kept trying to do what he promised. Sometimes you just can't beat Congress, which is fine. Obama does things that are completely opposite of what he says previously, and then makes up BS excuses for them. Hell, if Obama just straight up said he was changing his mind on an issue, that would be way better than what he does now. Don't pass something "with reservations," pass it and admit that you're doing it for political power. You're not gonna lose the election anyways. -- _foolmo_ 'he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance' - ertyu quoting Tidus ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 01/13/12 1:42:00 PM #30: |
From: SlymDayspring | #019 This is the interesting part, because in an age of constant new regulations and new coats of paint on the same broken policies, peeling everything away and going back to fix the basics IS progression. Conservatism is such a strange and offensive concept to so many politicians nowadays, it's like the traditional political spectrum has been flipped (or more accurately, become useless). -- _foolmo_ 'Illegal activities is a slight misnomer, most of it is not related to material that is actually illegal.' - nintendogrl1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Uglyface2 01/13/12 1:44:00 PM #31: |
KingButz posted...
Ron Paul is also the only candidate that opposes all of our stupid wars and foreign policy involvements (including our mind-numbingly stupid involvement with Israel which is going to pull us into yet another war). His 19th century isolationist mindset is even more ridiculous now than it was back then. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordoftheMorons 01/13/12 1:45:00 PM #32: |
TomNook7 posted...
Honestly, if you really want to know why we all love Ron Paul, then check this out. http://whyronpaul.com/ You have to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Democrats vs Republicans doesn't work anymore because Bush, Obama, and Romney are all technically the same person. Some of those positions are incredibly naive. Look at the "taxes" tab, for example. You want to eliminate the deficit while at the same time eliminating the income tax and capital gains tax? It doesn't work like that; it's simple math. -- http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png No I'm not a damn furry. Looney Tunes are different. - Guiga ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OmarsComin 01/13/12 1:45:00 PM #33: |
My favorite part of this is that people like Glenn Beck who claim to be true conservatives and want to go back to "the basics this country were built on" are mocking RP left and right. They are exposing themselves this election.
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red sox 777 01/13/12 1:47:00 PM #34: |
Sure it makes sense, you just have to cut spending. Really cut spending.
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OmarsComin 01/13/12 1:48:00 PM #35: |
he's said he wants to cut medicare, SS, and the military right? those make up the vast majority of our budget so if you cut those the deficit wouldn't be as insurmountable as politicians seem to think it is.
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KingButz 01/13/12 1:49:00 PM #36: |
From: Uglyface2 | #031 How about I come over to your house and take a portion of your money, then give it to foreign despots? Because that's what the government does right now. -- My Japanese alter-ego. Hey all this is Bartz btw. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordoftheMorons 01/13/12 1:51:00 PM #37: |
SS medicare and the military are not ending. It's not going to happen. It doesn't matter if you think it should; it won't. You might be able to get some reform in, but even cutting them by 20-30 percent is probably politically impossible (especially the first two). Furthermore, if you move all of the tax to spending, you are literally taxing the poor at a higher rate than the rich (since they have to spend a higher portion of their income), which is ridiculous.
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beavis666x2 01/13/12 1:53:00 PM #38: |
It doesn't matter. Romney is winning the nomination. Paul will run as a third party. Obama wins because the republican vote is split.
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redrocket 01/13/12 1:54:00 PM #39: |
LordoftheMorons posted...
SS medicare and the military are not ending. It's not going to happen. It doesn't matter if you think it should; it won't. At the risk of pointing out the obvious, they will end eventually, whether or not anyone actually makes a choice to end them. The only question is whether or not they take our country down with them. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 01/13/12 1:55:00 PM #40: |
Cutting those programs is about as impossible as Ron Paul being elected President of the United States. Once he's in there, he just needs 1/3 of either the House or the Senate to back him (get the Tea Party to help, say), and he can pursue a policy of blanket vetoing everything, absolutely everything, unless his demands are met.
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foolm0ron 01/13/12 1:56:00 PM #41: |
I found a guy that summarizes it perfectly
"Nobody really wants to do that" is the reason this country is going downhill. I dunno about you guys but I want people to start taking some ****ing responsibility. -- _foolmo_ 'but that statement is something only an Aspergers patient would say' - UltimaterializerX ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TomNook7 01/13/12 1:57:00 PM #42: |
redrocket posted...
LordoftheMorons posted... SS medicare and the military are not ending. It's not going to happen. It doesn't matter if you think it should; it won't. At the risk of pointing out the obvious, they will end eventually, whether or not anyone actually makes a choice to end them. The only question is whether or not they take our country down with them. owned -- Genesis does what Nintendon't http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Uglyface2 01/13/12 2:00:00 PM #43: |
KingButz posted...
How about I come over to your house and take a portion of your money, then give it to foreign despots? Because that's what the government does right now. How about we leave the Middle East entirely, let Iran run roughshod over the region, and figure out later where we're going to get our oil? Or how about we leave South Korea and let North Korea do the invasion they've been wanting to do for the last sixty years? I mean, they're just brown people. Hair Power, Mr. Lennon! Khmer what now? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordoftheMorons 01/13/12 2:00:00 PM #44: |
red sox 777 posted...
and he can pursue a policy of blanket vetoing everything, absolutely everything, unless his demands are met. That is incredibly childish. And if you suddenly tell old people that have been paying into SS their entire lives that they're getting nothing out of it, there will be a f***ing riot. SS and medicare are not going to be fixed/ended in one fell swoop unless it's a total crash. Anyway, any response to my point that a uniform sales tax is completely regressive? -- http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png No I'm not a damn furry. Looney Tunes are different. - Guiga ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SlymDayspring 01/13/12 2:02:00 PM #45: |
He promised to get us out of the wars and to repeal the Patriot Act. Instead, he bombs three countries (and gets a Nobel Peace Prize for it), and signs the NDAA of 2012. He also supports bailouts and the FED.
I used to be an Obama supporter too, man. It's okay to admit you've made mistakes. And yeah, it's sad when our country is so far gone that the only progression we could possibly make is by going back to our roots. I didn't even vote for Obama. I voted for Nader, so don't give me that "admit you made a mistake" crap. The wars are kind of a catch 22 for a politician. If you pull out of them all, everyone hates you for CUTTING AND RUNNING and NOT LISTENING TO THE GENERALS because we all have a giant military boner. If you stay in, they hate you for the opposite reasons. Obama has gotten us out of one of them, and has signed cuts to the military budget and proposed actually removing troops from many places overseas. That is all steps in the right direction. I don't like Obama, but Ron Paul is not a better alternative to anyone who is a progressive. I think you have a very incorrect definition of a progressive if you think that "back to our roots" is in any way what progressives want. There are genuinely progressive politicians on the left out there that agree with the GOOD parts of what Ron Paul says (get out of wars, repeal patriot act, etc) such as Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader....but also do not believe his INSANE domestic/economic/social policy stuff. So stop acting like Ron Paul is a big progressive hope, the hope for progressives lies elsewhere. Ron Paul is for people who believe in a crazy libertarian utopia that have no grasp of history. Nobody has ever been remembered fondly for "taking us back to the past". This is why conservatives are a joke. -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordoftheMorons 01/13/12 2:03:00 PM #46: |
redrocket posted...
LordoftheMorons posted... SS medicare and the military are not ending. It's not going to happen. It doesn't matter if you think it should; it won't. At the risk of pointing out the obvious, they will end eventually, whether or not anyone actually makes a choice to end them. The only question is whether or not they take our country down with them. Sorry what I meant to say is that it is political suicide to try and end the programs outright, and thus it's not going to happen, especially as politicians are too afraid to do something as simple as raise taxes. You are correct that we could enter a scenario where we are simply unable to meet our obligations if things are not reformed sufficiently. -- http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png No I'm not a damn furry. Looney Tunes are different. - Guiga ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingButz 01/13/12 2:03:00 PM #47: |
From: Uglyface2 | #043 Israel is practically a military superpower these days. If(when) they wage war with Iran, they could hold their own completely, and probably win. No need for us to risk getting involved. If North Korea dared to invade South Korea again, every single nation in the ****ing UN would be on their asses in moments. North Korea would never be so stupid as to try that again. -- My Japanese alter-ego. Hey all this is Bartz btw. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OmarsComin 01/13/12 2:04:00 PM #48: |
How about we leave the Middle East entirely, let Iran run roughshod over the region, and figure out later where we're going to get our oil?
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VincentLauw 01/13/12 2:05:00 PM #49: |
From: KingButz | #047 Do I really need to get Godwin's law in here? If North Korea dared to invade South Korea again, every single nation in the ****ing UN would be on their asses in moments. North Korea would never be so stupid as to try that again. So you'd rather have no precautions and have something happen first that's potentially much worse than a few soldiers left in a foreign country? -- http://img.imgcake.com/dancingguygifry.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 01/13/12 2:08:00 PM #50: |
That is incredibly childish.
And if you suddenly tell old people that have been paying into SS their entire lives that they're getting nothing out of it, there will be a f***ing riot. SS and medicare are not going to be fixed/ended in one fell swoop unless it's a total crash. Filibusters and vetoes are how you get stuff done in Washington today. Change is not easy. You could have a more gradual reduction of SS and medicare than instant amputation of course- maybe say that people over 65 today get the full amount, people 50-65 get less, people 40-50 get less than that, people below 40 get nothing, or something like that. And it's not true that people have been paying taxes all their lives and gotten nothing- the money was spent by their elected representatives, on things like bank bailouts and wars in Iraq. The military is easier to make drastic cuts to quickly. Anyway, any response to my point that a uniform sales tax is completely regressive? I agree it would be completely regressive and I do not support it at all. As far as I am aware, neither does Ron Paul. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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