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The Mana Sword 02/05/12 11:49:00 AM #51: |
Noel's alright.
Inferior to Chocolina though. -- I'm no longer a Nadal supporter. Andy Murray is my new favorite player/person. -Princess Anri ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZFS 02/05/12 11:49:00 AM #52: |
Everyone is.
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voltch 02/05/12 11:51:00 AM #53: |
Chocolicious
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NeoElfboy 02/05/12 11:53:00 AM #54: |
Well, I meant to say "male lead," and when I say that, I mean the main playable male character.
Ah okay fair. There are certainly one or two I dislike more but on the whole he's not too far up the list of male leads, no. That said FF has batted pretty well for those on the whole. -- The RPG Duelling League: www.rpgdl.com An unparalleled source for RPG information and discussion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 02/05/12 11:54:00 AM #55: |
From: NeoElfboy | #054 Yep, and I hold FF leads to a pretty high standard because of it, so Noel's pretty disappointing. -- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeoElfboy 02/05/12 11:58:00 AM #56: |
That does make sense.
I don't think I hold him up to those expectations because I don't really feel he's the main character ("lead of the opposite gender" doesn't carry the same fine tradition in the series to me, although again there are some very good ones in there). Same with Snow, although Snow turned out good anyway! -- The RPG Duelling League: www.rpgdl.com An unparalleled source for RPG information and discussion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZFS 02/05/12 12:00:00 PM #57: |
Still not seeing what makes one of the worst leads. It's rather refreshing to see a FF character who doesn't act stupidly happy nor excessively brooding. Interesting background for his character, too. Not understanding the problem!
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ZFS 02/05/12 12:00:00 PM #58: |
Snow now there is an awful character.
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SHINE GET 64 02/05/12 12:03:00 PM #59: |
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Shadow Dino 02/05/12 12:05:00 PM #60: |
Now why would you assume Noel would be sad about that?
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tereziWright 02/05/12 12:23:00 PM #61: |
Snow is one of the best FF characters. His stuff in XIII-2 was actually kind of annoying because it reminded me about how ridiculously better he is than these 2 losers.
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ZFS 02/05/12 11:19:00 PM #62: |
Can't say about his story in XIII-2, but he was painful in XIII. He and Hope are two of my least favorite characters in the series.
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LeonhartFour 02/05/12 11:20:00 PM #63: |
There are much worse characters in the series than those two.
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tereziWright 02/05/12 11:21:00 PM #64: |
Snow is a top 3 male FF lead, no doubt.
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ZFS 02/05/12 11:22:00 PM #65: |
Nope. Snow's 'I WILL BE A HERO' was some of the most obnoxious dialogue to listen to in any FF game.
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LeonhartFour 02/05/12 11:23:00 PM #66: |
From: tereziWright | #064 Well, let's not get carried away! Nearly all of the best characters in the series are male leads (and the top 6 are if you want to stretch the truth a bit and call Balthier FFXII's lead!). Snow doesn't measure up to that. -- http://www.gifsoup.com/view/593815/frasier-and-niles-dance-o.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 02/05/12 11:23:00 PM #67: |
From: ZFS | #065 Earned it. -- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tereziWright 02/05/12 11:24:00 PM #68: |
I could say the same thing about Noel's NPC like blandness, but we could be here all night with an opinion war.
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ZFS 02/05/12 11:24:00 PM #69: |
All the best characters are male, for sure. They're not the ones I know you have in mind, though!
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LeonhartFour 02/05/12 11:25:00 PM #70: |
From: ZFS | #069 Mostly because most characters in the series before the modern era aren't that great! -- http://i.imgur.com/eqOQs.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZFS 02/05/12 11:26:00 PM #71: |
I find Leon's taste in characters questionable, but that is a top 3 I'm not sure can be topped!
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LeonhartFour 02/05/12 11:26:00 PM #72: |
From: ZFS | #071 Says the guy singing Noel's praises! -- http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab48/Leonhart4/Squall.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mac Arrowny 02/05/12 11:27:00 PM #73: |
sexists itt
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tereziWright 02/05/12 11:28:00 PM #74: |
And if you want to know the exact point that Noel went from a character I didn't care about to a character that actively annoyed me
SPOILERS FOR THE AREA JUST AFTER SNOW'S SECTION it was that whole ****ing dumb not remotely sad scene at the end of Academia 400 AF. When that single tear fell down his face, I was just....done. I wanted nothing more to do with this guy. END SPOILERS. -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gif http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 02/05/12 11:28:00 PM #75: |
From: Mac Arrowny | #073 Hey, Yuna, Tifa, and Lightning are top 10-20 characters for the series! But Square as a whole hasn't done a good job of creating really good female characters! They're the real sexists here...! -- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZFS 02/05/12 11:29:00 PM #76: |
Noel better than Squall what up
FF just doesn't do female characters all that well. Yuna was alright in X, I like Aeris the most but I know why other people don't like her. -- "When I was a young man, I had liberty, but I did not see it. I had time, but I did not know it." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tereziWright 02/05/12 11:29:00 PM #77: |
Garnet was p cool.
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LeonhartFour 02/05/12 11:30:00 PM #78: |
From: ZFS | #076 abandon ship or abandon hope -- http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab48/Leonhart4/Squall.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 02/05/12 11:30:00 PM #79: |
From: tereziWright | #077 DAGGER CAN'T CONCENTRATE Also, she's not that special aside from that anyway. -- http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/8/22/2094c2de-bae8-4f5b-9f27-67eaff0aaeaf.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZFS 02/05/12 11:30:00 PM #80: |
...whatever
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tereziWright 02/05/12 11:31:00 PM #81: |
I don't like Squall, but he's definitely better than Noel so far.
I liked Noel more when they first said his name, and for a minute I actually thought his name was "Noel Christ". And so did the other 2 people in the room. It was a pretty hilarious minute of WTFing. -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gif http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZFS 02/05/12 11:31:00 PM #82: |
Garnet was okay, not really great. Ashe was a good one, now that I think about it.
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LeonhartFour 02/05/12 11:32:00 PM #83: |
Yeah, Ashe was pretty good. Celes, too.
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ZFS 02/05/12 11:32:00 PM #84: |
Celes bail
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tereziWright 02/05/12 11:33:00 PM #85: |
Ashe was a pretty decent spot in that blight, sure.
Really most of the characters were alright in that game. They should have just been in a different game! A full console release sequel to FFT. A man can dream. -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gif http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tereziWright 02/05/12 11:34:00 PM #86: |
Stop bailing.
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LeonhartFour 02/05/12 11:34:00 PM #87: |
From: ZFS | #084 don't you like rosa -- http://i.imgur.com/eqOQs.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZFS 02/05/12 11:36:00 PM #88: |
I like Rosa in the sense that she saved me many times in FFIV. I have nothing to really say one way or another about her character!
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tereziWright 02/05/12 11:36:00 PM #89: |
Agrias is the best female FF character.
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LeonhartFour 02/05/12 11:37:00 PM #90: |
From: tereziWright | #089 Maybe if she didn't completely disappear from the story after five scenes. Well, probably not, but it would've helped! -- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tereziWright 02/05/12 11:38:00 PM #91: |
She was great when she was around!
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GuessMyUserName 02/05/12 11:38:00 PM #92: |
Layle greatest FF male lead
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tereziWright 02/05/12 11:39:00 PM #93: |
Ugh don't remind me about that game.
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ZFS 02/05/12 11:40:00 PM #94: |
Anyway, finished up 300AF. Weird area, but I liked the puzzles with the rooms. I didn't open any new time periods, so I'm guessing it's back to Bresha Ruins. Still have a couple of gates I haven't opened there.
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NeoElfboy 02/05/12 11:46:00 PM #95: |
FFT PCs, best characters. No, I don't think so. Not with their four scenes each.
(FFT literally my favourite game, too!) Rosa's pretty terrible from a writing standpoint, her entire character centres around her relationship to male characters. Kinda embarrassing actually. (Good PC of course but yeah.) I dunno if I agree with the comments about sexists from Square more recently but in FF4? Ohhh my yes, it was bad. Take a drink every time the game tries to reinforce traditional gender roles, pass out before Cecil even turns Paladin. and the top 6 are if you want to stretch the truth a bit and call Balthier FFXII's lead!). Okay this I really can't see. I'll give you Cloud and Squall and if I squint I can see Tidus and Snow though I don't think they're even the best characters in their games (still good). The rest, though? Mediocre at best. -- The RPG Duelling League: www.rpgdl.com An unparalleled source for RPG information and discussion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 02/05/12 11:47:00 PM #96: |
From: NeoElfboy | #095 1. Squall 2. Tidus 3. Ramza 4. Cloud 5. Balthier 6. Zidane And Zack's not far off! -- Guess who I am! http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs3/1345748_o.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZFS 02/05/12 11:48:00 PM #97: |
Zack should be at the top!
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LeonhartFour 02/05/12 11:53:00 PM #98: |
Admittedly, my experience with Crisis Core is limited to just the cutscenes since I don't have a PSP and all, but I can't put him over those six. Maybe if I were to play the game myself, I'd change my mind.
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NeoElfboy 02/06/12 12:03:00 AM #99: |
Okay I think you just really like main characters more than most people.
And Zidane is an atrocious, obnoxious character. Normally I can understand your opinions even when I don't agree with them (e.g. Ramza's kinda average to me, but I can see aspects of him that others might really like), but that's seriously mind-boggling to me. Zidane is a bottom-tier, misogynistic, hypocritical little brat and if he has any character development I must have missed it. -- The RPG Duelling League: www.rpgdl.com An unparalleled source for RPG information and discussion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tereziWright 02/06/12 12:04:00 AM #100: |
Zidane's great, you suck.
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