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The Mana Sword
02/05/12 11:49:00 AM
#51:


Noel's alright.

Inferior to Chocolina though.

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ZFS
02/05/12 11:49:00 AM
#52:


Everyone is.

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voltch
02/05/12 11:51:00 AM
#53:


Chocolicious

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NeoElfboy
02/05/12 11:53:00 AM
#54:


Well, I meant to say "male lead," and when I say that, I mean the main playable male character.

Ah okay fair.

There are certainly one or two I dislike more but on the whole he's not too far up the list of male leads, no. That said FF has batted pretty well for those on the whole.

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LeonhartFour
02/05/12 11:54:00 AM
#55:


From: NeoElfboy | #054
That said FF has batted pretty well for those on the whole.


Yep, and I hold FF leads to a pretty high standard because of it, so Noel's pretty disappointing.

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NeoElfboy
02/05/12 11:58:00 AM
#56:


That does make sense.

I don't think I hold him up to those expectations because I don't really feel he's the main character ("lead of the opposite gender" doesn't carry the same fine tradition in the series to me, although again there are some very good ones in there). Same with Snow, although Snow turned out good anyway!

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ZFS
02/05/12 12:00:00 PM
#57:


Still not seeing what makes one of the worst leads. It's rather refreshing to see a FF character who doesn't act stupidly happy nor excessively brooding. Interesting background for his character, too. Not understanding the problem!

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ZFS
02/05/12 12:00:00 PM
#58:


Snow now there is an awful character.

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SHINE GET 64
02/05/12 12:03:00 PM
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Shadow Dino
02/05/12 12:05:00 PM
#60:


Now why would you assume Noel would be sad about that?

Dude is keeping his eye on the prize: Lightning.

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tereziWright
02/05/12 12:23:00 PM
#61:


Snow is one of the best FF characters. His stuff in XIII-2 was actually kind of annoying because it reminded me about how ridiculously better he is than these 2 losers.

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ZFS
02/05/12 11:19:00 PM
#62:


Can't say about his story in XIII-2, but he was painful in XIII. He and Hope are two of my least favorite characters in the series.

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LeonhartFour
02/05/12 11:20:00 PM
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There are much worse characters in the series than those two.

Much worse.

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tereziWright
02/05/12 11:21:00 PM
#64:


Snow is a top 3 male FF lead, no doubt.

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ZFS
02/05/12 11:22:00 PM
#65:


Nope. Snow's 'I WILL BE A HERO' was some of the most obnoxious dialogue to listen to in any FF game.

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LeonhartFour
02/05/12 11:23:00 PM
#66:


From: tereziWright | #064
Snow is a top 3 male FF lead, no doubt.


Well, let's not get carried away!

Nearly all of the best characters in the series are male leads (and the top 6 are if you want to stretch the truth a bit and call Balthier FFXII's lead!). Snow doesn't measure up to that.

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LeonhartFour
02/05/12 11:23:00 PM
#67:


From: ZFS | #065
Nope. Snow's 'I WILL BE A HERO' was some of the most obnoxious dialogue to listen to in any FF game.


Earned it.

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tereziWright
02/05/12 11:24:00 PM
#68:


I could say the same thing about Noel's NPC like blandness, but we could be here all night with an opinion war.

3. Snow
2. Zidane
1. Ramza

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ZFS
02/05/12 11:24:00 PM
#69:


All the best characters are male, for sure. They're not the ones I know you have in mind, though!

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LeonhartFour
02/05/12 11:25:00 PM
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From: ZFS | #069
All the best characters are male, for sure. They're not the ones I know you have in mind, though!


Mostly because most characters in the series before the modern era aren't that great!

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ZFS
02/05/12 11:26:00 PM
#71:


I find Leon's taste in characters questionable, but that is a top 3 I'm not sure can be topped!

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LeonhartFour
02/05/12 11:26:00 PM
#72:


From: ZFS | #071
I find Leon's taste in characters questionable


Says the guy singing Noel's praises!

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Mac Arrowny
02/05/12 11:27:00 PM
#73:


sexists itt

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tereziWright
02/05/12 11:28:00 PM
#74:


And if you want to know the exact point that Noel went from a character I didn't care about to a character that actively annoyed me

SPOILERS FOR THE AREA JUST AFTER SNOW'S SECTION













it was that whole ****ing dumb not remotely sad scene at the end of Academia 400 AF.

When that single tear fell down his face, I was just....done. I wanted nothing more to do with this guy.

















END SPOILERS.

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LeonhartFour
02/05/12 11:28:00 PM
#75:


From: Mac Arrowny | #073
sexists itt


Hey, Yuna, Tifa, and Lightning are top 10-20 characters for the series!

But Square as a whole hasn't done a good job of creating really good female characters! They're the real sexists here...!

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ZFS
02/05/12 11:29:00 PM
#76:


Noel better than Squall what up

FF just doesn't do female characters all that well. Yuna was alright in X, I like Aeris the most but I know why other people don't like her.

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tereziWright
02/05/12 11:29:00 PM
#77:


Garnet was p cool.

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LeonhartFour
02/05/12 11:30:00 PM
#78:


From: ZFS | #076
Noel better than Squall what up


abandon ship or abandon hope

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LeonhartFour
02/05/12 11:30:00 PM
#79:


From: tereziWright | #077
Garnet was p cool.


DAGGER CAN'T CONCENTRATE

Also, she's not that special aside from that anyway.

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ZFS
02/05/12 11:30:00 PM
#80:


...whatever

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tereziWright
02/05/12 11:31:00 PM
#81:


I don't like Squall, but he's definitely better than Noel so far.

I liked Noel more when they first said his name, and for a minute I actually thought his name was "Noel Christ".

And so did the other 2 people in the room.

It was a pretty hilarious minute of WTFing.

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ZFS
02/05/12 11:31:00 PM
#82:


Garnet was okay, not really great. Ashe was a good one, now that I think about it.

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LeonhartFour
02/05/12 11:32:00 PM
#83:


Yeah, Ashe was pretty good. Celes, too.

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ZFS
02/05/12 11:32:00 PM
#84:


Celes bail

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tereziWright
02/05/12 11:33:00 PM
#85:


Ashe was a pretty decent spot in that blight, sure.

Really most of the characters were alright in that game. They should have just been in a different game!

A full console release sequel to FFT.

A man can dream.

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tereziWright
02/05/12 11:34:00 PM
#86:


Stop bailing.

You can't just bail and come back in thing of how silly that would look.

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LeonhartFour
02/05/12 11:34:00 PM
#87:


From: ZFS | #084
Celes bail


don't you like rosa

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ZFS
02/05/12 11:36:00 PM
#88:


I like Rosa in the sense that she saved me many times in FFIV. I have nothing to really say one way or another about her character!

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tereziWright
02/05/12 11:36:00 PM
#89:


Agrias is the best female FF character.

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LeonhartFour
02/05/12 11:37:00 PM
#90:


From: tereziWright | #089
Agrias is the best female FF character.


Maybe if she didn't completely disappear from the story after five scenes.

Well, probably not, but it would've helped!

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tereziWright
02/05/12 11:38:00 PM
#91:


She was great when she was around!

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GuessMyUserName
02/05/12 11:38:00 PM
#92:


Layle greatest FF male lead

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tereziWright
02/05/12 11:39:00 PM
#93:


Ugh don't remind me about that game.

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ZFS
02/05/12 11:40:00 PM
#94:


Anyway, finished up 300AF. Weird area, but I liked the puzzles with the rooms. I didn't open any new time periods, so I'm guessing it's back to Bresha Ruins. Still have a couple of gates I haven't opened there.

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NeoElfboy
02/05/12 11:46:00 PM
#95:


FFT PCs, best characters. No, I don't think so. Not with their four scenes each.

(FFT literally my favourite game, too!)

Rosa's pretty terrible from a writing standpoint, her entire character centres around her relationship to male characters. Kinda embarrassing actually. (Good PC of course but yeah.) I dunno if I agree with the comments about sexists from Square more recently but in FF4? Ohhh my yes, it was bad. Take a drink every time the game tries to reinforce traditional gender roles, pass out before Cecil even turns Paladin.

and the top 6 are if you want to stretch the truth a bit and call Balthier FFXII's lead!).

Okay this I really can't see. I'll give you Cloud and Squall and if I squint I can see Tidus and Snow though I don't think they're even the best characters in their games (still good). The rest, though? Mediocre at best.

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LeonhartFour
02/05/12 11:47:00 PM
#96:


From: NeoElfboy | #095
Okay this I really can't see. I'll give you Cloud and Squall and if I squint I can see Tidus and Snow though I don't think they're even the best characters in their games (still good). The rest, though? Mediocre at best.


1. Squall
2. Tidus
3. Ramza
4. Cloud
5. Balthier
6. Zidane

And Zack's not far off!

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ZFS
02/05/12 11:48:00 PM
#97:


Zack should be at the top!

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LeonhartFour
02/05/12 11:53:00 PM
#98:


Admittedly, my experience with Crisis Core is limited to just the cutscenes since I don't have a PSP and all, but I can't put him over those six. Maybe if I were to play the game myself, I'd change my mind.

But hey, top 10 for the series is still really great!

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NeoElfboy
02/06/12 12:03:00 AM
#99:


Okay I think you just really like main characters more than most people.

And Zidane is an atrocious, obnoxious character. Normally I can understand your opinions even when I don't agree with them (e.g. Ramza's kinda average to me, but I can see aspects of him that others might really like), but that's seriously mind-boggling to me. Zidane is a bottom-tier, misogynistic, hypocritical little brat and if he has any character development I must have missed it.

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tereziWright
02/06/12 12:04:00 AM
#100:


Zidane's great, you suck.

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