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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 9:20:00 PM
#51:


The mountain area in MGS3 right after you beat The End might be one of my favorite gameplay sections in the series.

So much good stuff there, so many ways to torture enemies.

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 9:21:00 PM
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From: Psycho_Kenshin | #049
Hal 'Otacon' Emmerich: Hey Snake, something I've been meaning to ask you. That canyon... Isn't that where you demolished Raven's tank? How'd you do it, anyway?
Solid Snake: How? Well... Grenades.
Hal 'Otacon' Emmerich: That's it? You didn't use an anti-tank missile or something?
Solid Snake: Didn't have one.
Hal 'Otacon' Emmerich: Your technique is kind of... how do I put this... archaic when it comes to fighting tanks. Honestly, I don't think it'd work on today's main battle tanks.
Solid Snake: Well, that's how I did it. What do you want me to say?
Hal 'Otacon' Emmerich: You know, I asked an active-duty Army officer once: If an infantryman had to take on a tank one-on-one, how should he do it?
Solid Snake: And what was his answer?
Hal 'Otacon' Emmerich: "Don't." He swore there's no way in hell a single infantryman could take down a tank by himself.
Solid Snake: Interesting.
Hal 'Otacon' Emmerich: I always suspected there was a little something crazy about you, Snake. But after hearing that story... Now I know it. You're nuts! Single-handedly taking out a tank? That's crazy! You're insane!
Solid Snake: Otacon, is this your idea of a compliment?
Hal 'Otacon' Emmerich: Yes! You're the toughest, craziest, most hardcore badass on the planet! You're... the s***!


Oh cool. I never knew about that. I guess I never really tried using the codec in MGS4 because I never figured there would be anything of interest. Silly me.

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WiggumFan267
02/13/12 9:21:00 PM
#53:


Aww yeah Leon opinion wigs agrees with

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 9:22:00 PM
#54:


From: LeonhartFour | #051
The mountain area in MGS3 right after you beat The End might be one of my favorite gameplay sections in the series.

So much good stuff there, so many ways to torture enemies.


What kind of ways are you thinking specifically? I know about the vulture thing, though I've never done it. What else is there in the mountains that you can't do to enemies anywhere else?

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 9:25:00 PM
#55:


Shooting the pyro tanks, taking down Hinds, things like that.

I also like to use my sniper rifle to shoot other snipers in the crotch.

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 9:27:00 PM
#56:


There are snipers in the mountains?

I never took down a Hind... I thought it would just be a regular crash and explosion, nothing special.

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 9:29:00 PM
#57:


Not snipers. I mistyped.

I mean, there are enemies in the one area who are high up above you on ledges.

But the mountain area is just a lot of fun in general, well designed, enemies are well laid out throughout the area.

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 9:35:00 PM
#58:


Ah yes, I agree. I really love how there's so many ways to mess with the enemies.

I also love how unique the boss fights are. Unlike other games where there's usually just a set pattern or method. In the MGS series, in 3 especially, there's a bunch of different techniques. It's amazing.

When I first fought The End, someone already told me beforehand that it was like an hour long battle, I think. In that first run of the game I was mostly using lethal weapons, so it was awesome to move to areas and try to spot The End from a vantage point and snipe him with my SVD. It took me 45 minutes to defeat him. It was so fun. He's still my favorite boss fight ever.

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02/13/12 9:38:00 PM
#59:


ShadowHalo17 posted...
Ah yes, I agree. I really love how there's so many ways to mess with the enemies.

I also love how unique the boss fights are. Unlike other games where there's usually just a set pattern or method. In the MGS series, in 3 especially, there's a bunch of different techniques. It's amazing.

When I first fought The End, someone already told me beforehand that it was like an hour long battle, I think. In that first run of the game I was mostly using lethal weapons, so it was awesome to move to areas and try to spot The End from a vantage point and snipe him with my SVD. It took me 45 minutes to defeat him. It was so fun. He's still my favorite boss fight ever.


Gotta disagree with you here. The End, The Boss, The Sorrow, and possibly The Fury are all fun, but the The Pain is boring and dumb and The Fear's power is literally "I own a crossbow." Volgin is pretty fun, though.

That said, The End and The Boss are so good that it doesn't matter what the rest of them are like.

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 9:39:00 PM
#60:


It's pretty freaky, yeah. The radio conversation with Para-Medic if you eat a vulture is pretty great, too.

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 9:40:00 PM
#61:


The Fear is fun to mess with.

I love just repeatedly throwing rotten/poisoned food on the ground and watching him puke his guts out over and over again, and then hitting him with a tranq round to end it.

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ZFS
02/13/12 9:40:00 PM
#62:


The Fear is great because you can beat him in a bunch of different ways. The Pain sucks, though.

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02/13/12 9:41:00 PM
#63:


I remember I once killed a soldier, then killed a vulture that came down to eat him, so I killed it and later ate it. Then during The Sorrow's boss fight, the soldier showed up and screamed YOU ATE MEEEEEE and I freaked the hell out.

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ZFS
02/13/12 9:41:00 PM
#64:


I'm a fan of stun grenade + AK. Counts as a stamina kill!

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 9:43:00 PM
#65:


I love fighting the Fear for the same reason, bunch of different ways to beat him.

I actually like fighting the Pain as well. It's pretty straightforward, but I don't know... for some reason it's fun to me.

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 9:43:00 PM
#66:


From: ZFS | #064
I'm a fan of stun grenade + AK. Counts as a stamina kill!


I go for the poison food method usually.

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 9:43:00 PM
#67:


I like The Pain's boss music, actually.

And he's so over the top that he makes me laugh. COME MY BULLET BEES *does backflip*

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02/13/12 9:46:00 PM
#68:


LeonhartFour posted...
I like The Pain's boss music, actually.

And he's so over the top that he makes me laugh. COME MY BULLET BEES *does backflip*


The Last Days of Foxhound version of The Pain is the only good thing about him. Well, that and the scene where The Boss tells Volgin that The Pain is dead and Volgins freaks out as if losing his bee expert is a huge problem for his plans.

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 9:47:00 PM
#69:


Well, he gets angry because the Cobra Unit is supposed to be the best of the best of the best, so it's obvious he'd be upset when one of them dies.

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 9:47:00 PM
#70:


Just the whole BEES thing is great, because he's basically a walking internet meme.

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ZFS
02/13/12 9:48:00 PM
#71:


I just don't like the setting where you fight The Pain. That fight would be better if it wasn't a small platform or water as your two areas. Fortunately, he's easy to beat! Don't think there are any cool tricks with him, though.

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 9:49:00 PM
#72:


Yeah, The Pain clearly didn't think things through! "Hmmmm, bees are useless underwater and that's all I've got, so let's fight him in a huge cavern filled with water great idea"

I do like smoke bombing him when he covers himself in bees though.

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ZFS
02/13/12 9:49:00 PM
#73:


Cobra Unit were the best until they made an enemy of Big Boss. salute

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 9:50:00 PM
#74:


From: ZFS | #073
Cobra Unit were the best until they made an enemy of Big Boss. salute


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02/13/12 9:50:00 PM
#75:


LeonhartFour posted...
Well, he gets angry because the Cobra Unit is supposed to be the best of the best of the best, so it's obvious he'd be upset when one of them dies.

I know, but he still has The Boss and all of the people with useful abilities. The Pain was just... the bee guy. Even The Fear at least has the super survival and stealth stuff, The Pain is just a guy who can shoot bees at you.

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WiggumFan267
02/13/12 9:51:00 PM
#76:


TOMMY GUN!

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 9:51:00 PM
#77:


From: LeonhartFour | #072
Yeah, The Pain clearly didn't think things through! "Hmmmm, bees are useless underwater and that's all I've got, so let's fight him in a huge cavern filled with water great idea"


That's a good point. The fight could have been better, indeed. But then again, how are we supposed to dodge bees if the Pain was actually smart and chose a more closed off area or something?

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 9:51:00 PM
#78:


From: Anagram | #075
I know, but he still has The Boss and all of the people with useful abilities. The Pain was just... the bee guy. Even The Fear at least has the super survival and stealth stuff, The Pain is just a guy who can shoot bees at you.


Well, he showed how effective he can be if he actually puts his skills to use in the proper area in the cutscene right after the Ocelot fight.

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DeathChicken
02/13/12 9:52:00 PM
#79:


Also that scene before where they kidnap Sokolov thanks to bees out of nowhere

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02/13/12 9:56:00 PM
#80:


LeonhartFour posted...
Well, he showed how effective he can be if he actually puts his skills to use in the proper area in the cutscene right after the Ocelot fight.

Man, that just makes it even weirder. You're told the GRU are all well trained soldiers, and the Ocelot Unit is the best of the best of the best, armed with even better weapons than everyone else around you, and then they flip their **** when bees show up. I mean, okay, I understand that The Pain obviously has some strategic value, but he's still obviously the weak link in The Cobras as a group of bosses and as a group of people to take reasonably seriously as bosses. That's why FOXHOUND was so good. Every single member (except Decoy Octopus, I guess) is entirely competent and cool. Like the only bad boss fight in the game is Raven's tank... Though I will admit that the boss fights themselves aren't as good as later games, but only because of limited PS1 technology.

Dead Cell was terrible. Fortune and Fatman are incredibly bad and Vamp was only passable. I have to replay MGS4 to have an opinion on the B&B Corps (I'm replaying the entire series, I'm still on MGS3 right now).

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 9:58:00 PM
#81:


Yeah, Dead Cell is pretty awful. B&B isn't that great either. I liked Laughing Octopus, but...that was about it.

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DeathChicken
02/13/12 9:58:00 PM
#82:


Psh, Octopus just got ****ed over by Foxdie. Otherwise, Snake had no idea what he was up to. Octopus could have just pulled a gun and shot him if he wanted

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Psycho_Kenshin
02/13/12 9:59:00 PM
#83:


My fav weapon in MGS3 is probably the fork.

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 9:59:00 PM
#84:


Last Days of FOXHOUND shows how deadly Decoy Octopus can be...!

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 10:01:00 PM
#85:


Also, I've gotta say, the stretch from the second infiltration of Groznyj Grad to the end of the game might be one of the most amazing stretches of video gaming in history. The only thing that keeps me from crowning it the best without question is that stupid EVA escort mission. Everything else is just an incredibly sustained run of amazing.

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 10:03:00 PM
#86:


Dead Cell was indeed atrocious.

I somewhat like the BBs. They're all annoying as characters, but Laughing Octopus, Crying Wolf, and Raging Raven are all fun to fight. Screaming Mantis sucks.

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DeathChicken
02/13/12 10:04:00 PM
#87:


I really like Vamp a lot. He's like the one shining beacon of competence in that entire terrible squad

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 10:06:00 PM
#88:


Vamp is okay in MGS2 and then terrible in MGS4. He doesn't save Dead Cell at all.

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 10:32:00 PM
#89:


You know, I really like this scene in MGS3 right after you beat Volgin, and EVA's telling you how she doesn't want you to fight The Boss. Just the look on Snake's face as she tells him all this stuff...so good.

And then when EVA tells him that The Boss said, "I've never seen someone with such clear eyes," and you think about what eventually happens to Big Boss...

Man.

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foolm0ron
02/13/12 10:35:00 PM
#90:


From: LeonhartFour | #089
And then when EVA tells him that The Boss said, "I've never seen someone with such clear eyes," and you think about what eventually happens to Big Boss...


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02/13/12 10:36:00 PM
#91:


By the way,

Ocelot > The Boss > Liquid > Solidus

I haven't played PO or PW yet.

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 10:44:00 PM
#92:


Uh... Big Boss should be at the top of your character rankings and then I will accept it. Although Solid Snake is better than Liquid and Solidus of course. So is Raiden.

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 10:44:00 PM
#93:


I'm assuming he's just doing main antagonists here.

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 10:46:00 PM
#94:


Oooh I totally didn't get that.

In that case I would put The Boss over Ocelot honestly. I liked Young Ocelot more than copy cat Ocelot.

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02/13/12 10:46:00 PM
#95:


LeonhartFour posted...
I'm assuming he's just doing main antagonists here.

I don't know if The Boss really counts as the main antagonist (I guesssssss but it's less decisive than the other games), but I was talking about their quality as final bosses both in terms of the fights and how interesting/impactful they were.

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 10:48:00 PM
#96:


Well then I definitely say The Boss > Ocelot if we're just talking about final bosses. Fighting The Boss was just... there are no words. I loved the fight with Liquid Ocelot, but it just doesn't hold a candle to the fight with The Boss.

Although nothing in MGS4 can compare to anything in MGS3.

I'm biased.

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SMOKEDOG42O
02/13/12 10:49:00 PM
#97:


Didn't MGS3 get a ton of **** on this board when it came out?

I mean yeah, I'm glad everybody's come around to realize just how amazing of an experience it is, but still. Y'all were stupid back in the day.

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ZFS
02/13/12 10:50:00 PM
#98:


The Boss is the best fight. Nothing beats pure CQC.

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02/13/12 10:51:00 PM
#99:


On a slightly related note, how do you guy feel about Revengeance?

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ZFS
02/13/12 10:52:00 PM
#100:


Gameplay looks fun, not really a Metal Gear.

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