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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 8:18:00 PM
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I was just thinking about the little touches I love about this game, the things that aren't really overtly stated or shown, but they're just presented so well.

Like at the end of the game after the EVA escort mission and you reach the lake, and Naked Snake just sort of turns and looks at the flower field. Then EVA turns and sees him, and he looks back at her. It's difficult to describe with just words, but just the emotion that's displayed without either of them saying anything is great. The stuff between Naked Snake and The Boss is just so emotionally charged. I love it.

MGS3's presentation is just so good in general. I love the part right after The Sorrow "fight" where Snake washes ashore in the forest, and he rises up on his knees and the camera just slowly pans back to show the forest.

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Psycho_Kenshin
02/13/12 8:27:00 PM
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If we agree on exactly five things in life, one of them is MGS3 is awesome.

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foolm0ron
02/13/12 8:29:00 PM
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Pinnacle of cinematic gaming

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 8:31:00 PM
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There are just so many things about MGS3 that makes it the best game ever.

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Psycho_Kenshin
02/13/12 8:31:00 PM
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until the next one came out.

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tazzyboyishere
02/13/12 8:32:00 PM
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Just Just finished not too long ago. I was confused when people talked about The Boss dying being tearjerking, but I honestly didn't think it was much more powerful than a lot of famous character deaths. Then I got to the actual ending.

Second time a game made me tear up.

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Psycho_Kenshin
02/13/12 8:34:00 PM
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At least four for me, all the main console MGS games.

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RappinHobo9292
02/13/12 8:34:00 PM
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Best Metal Gear Solid game and my second favourite game ever.

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Psycho_Kenshin
02/13/12 8:36:00 PM
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What's your fav?

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The Mana Sword
02/13/12 8:37:00 PM
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I like the part where you get to say you liked MGS2 better than MGS1.

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RappinHobo9292
02/13/12 8:37:00 PM
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Persona 4

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XIII_rocks
02/13/12 8:38:00 PM
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MGS3 is the best.

Just so so good in every way.

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 8:38:00 PM
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From: The Mana Sword | #010
I like the part where you get to say you liked MGS2 better than MGS1.


Well, it resulted in a better intro scene, so I'm okay with lying about that...!

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foolm0ron
02/13/12 8:39:00 PM
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From: Psycho_Kenshin | #005
until the next one came out.


I will very strongly argue that MGS3 is better as a cinematic game than MGS4. Maybe MGS4 is better in cinematics, or in gameplay, but not in both together simultaneously.

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Panthera
02/13/12 8:39:00 PM
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From: tazzyboyishere | #006
Just Just finished not too long ago. I was confused when people talked about The Boss dying being tearjerking, but I honestly didn't think it was much more powerful than a lot of famous character deaths. Then I got to the actual ending.

Second time a game made me tear up.


Yeah. That salute is one of the most striking visuals in any game.

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 8:40:00 PM
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MrSmartGuy
02/13/12 8:41:00 PM
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I liked the subtle touch of the falling flower petals as the director of the CIA went in to kiss Snake.

.......... what?

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 8:41:00 PM
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From: MrSmartGuy | #017
I liked the subtle touch of the falling flower petals as the director of the CIA went in to kiss Snake.

.......... what?


The Ultimate Weapon was my personal favorite Secret Theater.

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XIII_rocks
02/13/12 8:42:00 PM
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The Boss is the best character in a game, too, btw.

I go back and forth between her and Ezio but yeah

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MrSmartGuy
02/13/12 8:44:00 PM
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From: LeonhartFour | #018
The Ultimate Weapon was my personal favorite Secret Theater.


Metal Gear Sigint 4 life

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XIII_rocks
02/13/12 8:44:00 PM
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From: LeonhartFour | #018
The Ultimate Weapon was my personal favorite Secret Theater.


I preferred this:



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XIII_rocks
02/13/12 8:44:00 PM
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From: MrSmartGuy | #020
Metal Gear Sigint 4 life


Also a fine choice.

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 8:46:00 PM
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From: foolm0ron | #014
I will very strongly argue that MGS3 is better as a cinematic game than MGS4. Maybe MGS4 is better in cinematics, or in gameplay, but not in both together simultaneously.


MGS3 is better in both. MGS4 got a bit dull and dragged on a lot of the times, and also suffered from too much anime physics at times. Which isn't necessarily bad, but the first three games were more realistic, it just seemed MGS4 got a little crazy. I do enjoy Raiden's fights, but I still think they're a bit too over the top.

The scenes in MGS3 just have a certain charm to them that I can't explain. I always enjoy watching them all and I don't get bored by them often. The action sequences are also top-notch.

As for gameplay, MGS3 is still better and has WAY better boss fights.

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Xiahou Shake
02/13/12 8:47:00 PM
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Posting in a good topic.
MGS3 is my favorite game, and IMO the best ever made.

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Psycho_Kenshin
02/13/12 8:47:00 PM
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MGS4 is best

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 8:48:00 PM
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Metal Gear Sigint is a close 2nd, but nothing beats the hilarity of The Boss shooting Snake with a nuke at point blank range. Snake's "You've lost it!" followed by his scream makes that one.

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Psycho_Kenshin
02/13/12 8:49:00 PM
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My fav theater is the one where Ocelot is like b**** b**** b****

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 8:49:00 PM
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3 > 1 > 4 > 2

Come on, people! We've been over this!

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 8:50:00 PM
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I'm sad that I never actually had the second disc of Subsistence because I got the collection. So I never actually saw all the secret theaters. Sucks that they aren't in the HD version. That would have been superb.

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Xiahou Shake
02/13/12 8:50:00 PM
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Oh yeah, rankings. (Newly updated since I finally decided on Peace Walker's position!)
3 > 4 = 1 > 2 = PW
PW is great but I can't really bring myself to put it above even 2. The narrative is good, but it's not really put together as well. Combine that with extremely non-personal boss battles (though Peace Walker itself and Zeke are A+++) and I can't give it better than being equal with 2.

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 8:50:00 PM
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Pretty sure you could find all the Secret Theaters on YouTube!

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 8:51:00 PM
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From: LeonhartFour | #028
3 > 1 > 4 > 2

Come on, people! We've been over this!


Yup, perfect. Although I love all of them. MGS2 is still one of the best games of all time.

The whole god damn Metal Gear Solid series is just too f***ing good.

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 8:52:00 PM
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From: LeonhartFour | #031
Pretty sure you could find all the Secret Theaters on YouTube!


I know, but how many are there?

Maybe I could find a playlist.

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Psycho_Kenshin
02/13/12 8:52:00 PM
#34:


4 > women > 3 > pizza > Twin Snake > 2 > 1

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 8:52:00 PM
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I'd put all of 'em in my top 50 games, but MGS3 would be very close to the top and MGS2 would be closer to the lower end of the list.

All still great though!

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 8:53:00 PM
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From: ShadowHalo17 | #033
I know, but how many are there?

Maybe I could find a playlist.


http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Secret_Theatre

All with links to the videos!

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Anagram
02/13/12 8:56:00 PM
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The only thing I would say the game definitely did wrong was explaining the story of Adam and Eve but not Kuwabara. I know it made perfect sense for Japanese gamers, but the exact opposite needed to happen for the English translation and it didn't.

Still a 10/10 game, though.

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Xiahou Shake
02/13/12 9:02:00 PM
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From: Anagram | #037
The only thing I would say the game definitely did wrong was explaining the story of Adam and Eve but not Kuwabara. I know it made perfect sense for Japanese gamers, but the exact opposite needed to happen for the English translation and it didn't.


A codec call or something for Kuwabara would have been fantastic, but yeah, it was probably really obvious for Japanese gamers so it wasn't included.
Makes Volgin's final scene SO much better if you understand it. "Who's afraid of a little thunder?"

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ZFS
02/13/12 9:05:00 PM
#39:


MGS3 is Kojima at his best. Maybe not his craziest, but definitely his best. Love the story and characters, but the depth and variety in the gameplay is perfect. I can replay MGS3 countless times, just so good.

( 3 > PW = 1 > 2 >> 4)

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 9:08:00 PM
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I still haven't finished PW. I just didn't like it as much, it doesn't have the MGS feeling that I love.

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 9:10:00 PM
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MGS3 and Peace Walker have some pretty amazing radio conversations.

That was one of the things that really disappointed me with MGS4. What in the world happened to all the Codec?! I remember one time I played MGS3, I literally spent an hour just talking to the crew on the radio before I did one darn thing in the game.

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Iamdead7
02/13/12 9:13:00 PM
#42:


MGS3 second best game ever

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Psycho_Kenshin
02/13/12 9:14:00 PM
#43:


MGS4 still has some of the best codec ever, even with the streamlined-ness. A lotta my favorite lines ever are from that game's codec.

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ZFS
02/13/12 9:14:00 PM
#44:


Yeah, that's one of the best things about MGS3. Great support team, and even better conversations.

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ZFS
02/13/12 9:15:00 PM
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MGS4 maybe has one or two good lines, that's about it. One of many disappointments with that game!

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 9:15:00 PM
#46:


From: Psycho_Kenshin | #044
MGS4 still has some of the best codec ever, even with the streamlined-ness. A lotta my favorite lines ever are from that game's codec.


...Like what?

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 9:15:00 PM
#47:


MGS4 has a few good Codec moments.

But the overall body of work pales in comparison to any of the other games in the series.

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LeonhartFour
02/13/12 9:17:00 PM
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From: ShadowHalo17 | #046
...Like what?


MGS4 has some good Codec stuff in Chapter 4 because they reminisce about MGS1 a lot.

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ShadowHalo17
02/13/12 9:19:00 PM
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One of the things I don't like about MGS4 is how there are way too many weapons. Most of which you have no reason to use. Another thing is that the "sneaking" areas are just... I don't know, something is missing about them. MGS3's areas were all great when it came to being stealthy. The only place that I really thought was great in MGS4 was Shadow Moses, and that's probably more because of the nostalgia factor. I would have preferred human enemies over synthetic. Which I think is another aspect of the game I didn't like as much, too many robots.

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Psycho_Kenshin
02/13/12 9:20:00 PM
#50:


ShadowHalo17 posted...
From: Psycho_Kenshin | #044
MGS4 still has some of the best codec ever, even with the streamlined-ness. A lotta my favorite lines ever are from that game's codec.
...Like what?


Hal 'Otacon' Emmerich: Hey Snake, something I've been meaning to ask you. That canyon... Isn't that where you demolished Raven's tank? How'd you do it, anyway?
Solid Snake: How? Well... Grenades.
Hal 'Otacon' Emmerich: That's it? You didn't use an anti-tank missile or something?
Solid Snake: Didn't have one.
Hal 'Otacon' Emmerich: Your technique is kind of... how do I put this... archaic when it comes to fighting tanks. Honestly, I don't think it'd work on today's main battle tanks.
Solid Snake: Well, that's how I did it. What do you want me to say?
Hal 'Otacon' Emmerich: You know, I asked an active-duty Army officer once: If an infantryman had to take on a tank one-on-one, how should he do it?
Solid Snake: And what was his answer?
Hal 'Otacon' Emmerich: "Don't." He swore there's no way in hell a single infantryman could take down a tank by himself.
Solid Snake: Interesting.
Hal 'Otacon' Emmerich: I always suspected there was a little something crazy about you, Snake. But after hearing that story... Now I know it. You're nuts! Single-handedly taking out a tank? That's crazy! You're insane!
Solid Snake: Otacon, is this your idea of a compliment?
Hal 'Otacon' Emmerich: Yes! You're the toughest, craziest, most hardcore badass on the planet! You're... the s***!

It's a lot more Otacon heavy obviously, which is not a bad thing for me, and the game has more cutscenes for dialogue so there's less plot dumping in the codec than the other games, all in all its 10/10 for me.

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