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TheConductorSix
02/22/12 10:58:00 AM
#201:


I play mainly solo tops now a days and the problem I run into are Vladimir and Nidalee tops. Fizz buries them both.

But I don't have an AP Rune since none of the tops I use need it.

Thus why I build Fizz on hit tanky. I'm wondering if Wriggles is needed or his passive makes it unnecessary.

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Forceful_Dragon
02/22/12 11:11:00 AM
#202:


the correct answer is to farm the runes you need. Fizz does not benefit from wriggles, especially against those champs. The idea is to be strong enough to get in and deal so much damage as to send them packing. Making your 'win condition' in lane item reliant is a step backwards imo.

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Forceful_Dragon
02/22/12 2:04:00 PM
#203:


Red+FD afternoon DuoQ:
http://www.twitch.tv/red13n

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Forceful_Dragon
02/22/12 2:54:00 PM
#204:


More DuoQ after red restarts his computer.

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ZaziGuado
02/22/12 2:55:00 PM
#205:


Afternoon DuoQ? What is this madness?

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Justin_Crossing
02/22/12 2:58:00 PM
#206:


Realo just play Fiddlesticks against Vlad and Nid. They can't stop your drain.

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Forceful_Dragon
02/22/12 2:59:00 PM
#207:


play swain against Vlad!

The ultimate counter.

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Forceful_Dragon
02/22/12 3:02:00 PM
#208:


Red+FD DuoQ is back on

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Gwindor
02/22/12 3:51:00 PM
#209:


When I saw that you were queued up against that same pantheon, I was so looking forward to red destroying him =D

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Chaotic Mind
02/22/12 4:47:00 PM
#210:


From: TheConductorSix | #198
Chaotic keep working on your Sona, mainly the whole "not taking kills part".

Great supports make or break bottom lane. You can turn a decent carry into a good one by being a great support. Things you should work on:

1.Knowing matchups. Knowing when you can be aggressive and when to be passive is huge. If you're Sona/Trist vs. a passive land like Soraka/Kog then know you can mass murder them. Poke them every last hit and force them out of lane or to zone themselves. On the other hand, if you're against something like Alistar/Graves then know you have to play passive because the burst is too much.

2.Know when a good time for Oracles is. An early Oracles can really help bottom lane snowball. If the enemy knows they have no wards they know they can't be aggressive. This forces them into mistakes and bad plays.

3.Know when to use Sona's ult. That thing is game-breaking. You want to use it early but never on just one person. Try to catch 3 people in it because no other support can do what you do. You add an ultimate that is AP Carry worthy to the team and its power is immense.


In the last 3 games we played i only got 1, 2, and 1 kills respectively, so i think i'm doing ok there.

Knowing matchups i do need to work on, i'm used to always being aggressive but yeah against stuff like Ali/Graves i need to work on being more passive.

I'm not used to getting oracles so i do need to remember to get that if they're actually warding. Seems like most of the games we played the enemies weren't warding though.

I already know about Sona's ult. I always try to get at least 3 people with it unless i need it to interrupt something like a Nunu or Kat ult. I usually manage to get close to the whole enemy team with it, i think i only messed it up one time in all the games we've played.

I'm not going to play her much more this week though because i want to master one of the assassin's, either Talon or Fizz.

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KamikazePotato
02/22/12 6:11:00 PM
#211:


Hmm, how does anyone who plays Ezreal here build him? I've been avoiding Trinity Force and building him like a straight AD carry (Infinity Edge, Phantom Dancer, Bloodthirster, other junk) and it's worked better a lot better. He seems significantly more viable in just about every situation.

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Forceful_Dragon
02/22/12 6:13:00 PM
#212:


From: Gwindor | #209
When I saw that you were queued up against that same pantheon, I was so looking forward to red destroying him =D


I can't believe I let him kill me -_-

But their entire team kept coming top to save his ass, grr

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Forceful_Dragon
02/22/12 6:14:00 PM
#213:


From: KamikazePotato | #211
Hmm, how does anyone who plays Ezreal here build him? I've been avoiding Trinity Force and building him like a straight AD carry (Infinity Edge, Phantom Dancer, Bloodthirster, other junk) and it's worked better a lot better. He seems significantly more viable in just about every situation.




We had an ez on our team earlier and he did really well early and had 16 minute trinity.

The combination of mobility and burst (from sheen procs) made him all the more dominate early.

I guess the thing is that he is an early game champion by nature and so you can play to that and build him to make him SUPER explosive early, or you can build him like a late game champion.

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Biolizard28
02/22/12 6:19:00 PM
#214:


So right now I'm kind of in a contemplative state. I don't want to play PvP until the Fiora patch. I need to do some soul searching. I feel like somewhere in all the buying champions and s***, I've lost my way. I used to have an idea of what I was doing, but now I feel like I'm lost and too busy playing the tier list instead of champions I'm actually good with and enjoy.

Any advice for a lost soul looking for penance?

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KanzarisKelshen
02/22/12 7:25:00 PM
#215:


From: Biolizard28 | #214
So right now I'm kind of in a contemplative state. I don't want to play PvP until the Fiora patch. I need to do some soul searching. I feel like somewhere in all the buying champions and s***, I've lost my way. I used to have an idea of what I was doing, but now I feel like I'm lost and too busy playing the tier list instead of champions I'm actually good with and enjoy.

Any advice for a lost soul looking for penance?


What character class do you enjoy?

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Biolizard28
02/22/12 8:10:00 PM
#216:


I'm not quite sure anymore. I played every archetype under the sun on my losing streak and fed like a b**** each time. I used to be able to deal with just supporting, but I don't feel that I can do that forever. I want to be reliant on myself and able to play roles where I make a noticeable difference. In my roughly 275 normal games, I've maybe been given a compliment on my performance twice.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm trying really hard to break out of this support mess I've gotten myself into, but the growing pains hurt and it feels like I'm doing more harm than good to my teams by trying to do something different.

Everyone wants to carry games on their shoulders, but I feel like that's beyond me now.

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Biolizard28
02/22/12 8:13:00 PM
#217:


Oh, I guess I didn't really answer your question, though.

I guess tanky initiators and bursty assassin types. Either unkillable or unstoppable.

Of course, I only want to be good at the latter. I feel like no matter how good I am at the former, solo queuers can't really appreciate the opportunities I open up.

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TheConductorSix
02/22/12 8:54:00 PM
#218:


FD Alot of the guides just say rush Malady and I've found it works pretty well as a first item. I just need more games with him to see what I can and can not withstand and how good I am with E.

Bio I currently stick to nothing but solo top and I've found it's done wonders for my game. You learn to how fend for yourself, watch wards and ward properly, last hit properly, and the best of all you learn matchups. You can either counter pick or get counter pick and funny enough the best is when you get counter picked. Nothing forces you to play harder and smarter than something like

Picking Trynd and going up against Malphite
Picking Plank and fighting Pantheon
Picking Irelia and seeing Vlad

Plus, when you dominate top you can essentially remove one person from all mid game activities. It's a good feeling and the sense of accomplishment is always there. Mid lanes can just roam top and bottom and jungle gank. Bottom lane has team mates. Solo top is ganked early and often and you are all alone.

Plus at the elo you're at no one will counter pick you so you can just pick garen and stack doran blades and win most games.

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Aecioo
02/22/12 9:12:00 PM
#219:


When I play Ezreal, I like to go Trinity Force, and then build him like a normal AD (IE, PD, etc).

Trinity force gives him so much power early on because his Q will applies on hit effects, so the enemy is perpetually slowed from the Phage, plus you have one of the most mobile AD carries just hammering away at you.

I feel like he's one of those AD carries that absolutely needs to win bottom lane or he'll get outcarried late game by a large margin - you need to win your lane early to get an advantage and carry that advantage the entire game, because you'll probably lose in a straight "carryfest" later on.

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Gwindor
02/22/12 9:13:00 PM
#220:


I think with Ezreal, he needs everything that trinity force gives. Not like others, where everything on trinity is useful, he actually needs every stat trinity gives.

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Aecioo
02/22/12 9:14:00 PM
#221:


also just lost a game with Corki because I messed up a flash 40 minutes into the game against a poppy. Still upset about it.

Not that I really should be since I was literally the only reason our team was in it because our top was mid and Ahri kind of ended up being a non-factor, but still

upset

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Forceful_Dragon
02/22/12 9:16:00 PM
#222:


Red+FD Evening DuoQ Time:
http://www.twitch.tv/red13n

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Forceful_Dragon
02/22/12 9:23:00 PM
#223:


game1 starting

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KommunistKoala
02/22/12 9:25:00 PM
#224:


I love jungling with Master Yi

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Forceful_Dragon
02/22/12 9:55:00 PM
#225:


game2 starting (game1 was a stomping ^_^)

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Forceful_Dragon
02/22/12 11:16:00 PM
#226:


5-2 total today, pretty good day:

Win ~ Alistar ~ 2-4-18 (4.00) [+13] 1733 [45]
Loss ~ Udyr ~ 3-6-2 (0.83) [-12] 1721 [34]
Win ~ Udyr ~ 0-4-4 (1.00) [+12] 1733 [23]
Win ~ Gangplank 4-5-14 (3.60) [+13] 1746 [45]
Win ~ Rammus ~ 2-1-8 (10.00) [+12] 1758 [45]
Win ~ Kayle ~ 0-1-6 (6.00) [+13] 1771 [45]
Loss ~ Nunu ~ 0-7-7 (1.00) [-12] 1759 [45]

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OctilIery
02/23/12 5:40:00 PM
#227:


Such a win streak

Went back to playing Anivia, started dominating everything. All wins in my match history, almost back up to 1350.

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Gwindor
02/23/12 7:48:00 PM
#228:


So I've been using bot games to try and play every champion

next up was eve

accidentally queued up for a real game

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Forceful_Dragon
02/23/12 8:29:00 PM
#229:


Red + FD Evening DuoQ Time:

http://www.twitch.tv/red13n


Game 1 about to start:

Red got Anivia
FD on Fiddlesticks

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Forceful_Dragon
02/23/12 9:03:00 PM
#230:


twenty minute win with 0 deaths combined. Q'd for game 2

Game 2 Starting:

Red Anivia, FD GP

Facing Kassadin and Yorick respectively.


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Mega Mana
02/23/12 9:31:00 PM
#231:


I cannot wait for Sunday. Some free time to play!

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Forceful_Dragon
02/23/12 9:38:00 PM
#232:


Crushing loss to enemy Udyr/Yorick. Time for game 3.

Red on Anivia again (yay)
FD on Jungle Maokai

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TheConductorSix
02/23/12 11:50:00 PM
#233:


1.How does Poppy top lane?

2.Who is she good against?

3.Who is she bad against?

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SovietGwindor
02/23/12 11:55:00 PM
#234:


I remember when I tried to play Poppy. Sort of fun times.

If you get FoN and Warmogs on her, her passive pretty much guarantees that she'll never die in a duel. Kind of fun.

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Justin_Crossing
02/23/12 11:57:00 PM
#235:


Poppy top lanes by farming. She scales really well with items, so you just want as much money as possible. If the other person gets gold then so be it. You're more likely to swing a game than they are. Poppy is good against anybody with minimal sustain, and people who can't get past her passive. You also don't want her against anything ranged because she pretty much can't win that. I'd probably take her against people like Irelia or Wukong. Granted, you can easily play her against most tops, but anybody you can free farm against is beneficial. As far as laning goes, don't be too aggressive unless you can get off a stun. Don't go too far out of your way to Q them but Q can be a great denying tool. Skill order (at least for me) would be EQWQQR maxing blow, tackle, then paragon (or whatever it's name is).

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Justin_Crossing
02/23/12 11:59:00 PM
#236:


Oh and uh items. Depending on your opponent, boots+3, cloth+5, or regen+1. Gold items are good on poppy, so get Philo and HoG. Boots depends on enemy team. Then, Triforce -> Gunblade usually, and then you build whatever is appropriate.

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Forceful_Dragon
02/24/12 12:48:00 AM
#237:


So we had a very solid first few games (1 lol allies loss) and then my play got shakier and our allies play got a whole lot worse. Wasn't a great night for DuoQ >_<''

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Biolizard28
02/24/12 3:56:00 AM
#238:


http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/champion-sneak-peek-%E2%80%93-fiora-grand-duelist

Ah, much better.

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AfroSquirrel
02/24/12 9:23:00 AM
#239:


Maybe Fiora will be a melee I finally feel like I can play!

Also, doing a blind match and having a Lux on each team is fun~

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Peace___Frog
02/24/12 11:33:00 AM
#240:


I like that ass.

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Biolizard28
02/24/12 11:40:00 AM
#241:


Xypherous has drawn a comparison between her lore and "a certain prosecutor's sister."

Instant buy.

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IhatethisCPU
02/24/12 11:40:00 AM
#242:


...I'm never going to get around to buying champ specific runes, am I?

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Biolizard28
02/24/12 12:02:00 PM
#243:


From: IhatethisCPU | #242
...I'm never going to get around to buying champ specific runes, am I?


It takes time, but it goes by fast unless you're talking quints.

There are a LOT of useless runes, though. There's maybe 3-4 runes of each type that anyone will tell you is worth it.

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KamikazePotato
02/24/12 2:29:00 PM
#244:


Man, I hate laning with Poppy. They never have any idea of what to do and steal all my AD carry farm.

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Biolizard28
02/24/12 7:10:00 PM
#245:




Patch preview.

Lux, Olaf, and jungle changes are going live. Ziggs's minefield is getting a mana cost drop, but a damage and slow nerf.

Olaf changes make more sense now that I hear it from the man himself.

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AfroSquirrel
02/24/12 7:36:00 PM
#246:


Lux buff :D

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Azp2k32
02/24/12 8:46:00 PM
#247:


Yessss, just won a 4v5 where our Lux was afk from the start and Janna had to go mid. We were up 9-0 before they got a kill; finished 33-9. So damn satisfying.

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OctilIery
02/24/12 8:49:00 PM
#248:


Two games in a row I lost because someone AFK'd in matchmaking and didn't dodge. Riot needs to fix that **** :/

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Gwindor
02/24/12 10:50:00 PM
#249:


I'm sorry I'm terrible.

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Forceful_Dragon
02/24/12 11:49:00 PM
#250:


red+FD DuoQ Time:
http://www.twitch.tv/red13n

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