Board 8 > What makes people think that beauty isn't objective?

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saveus_Maria 02/19/12 2:19:00 PM #51:	From: ExThaNemesis \| #045 thank you for your always insightful contributions i had already destroyed this topic by post 10 what else did you want me to contribute -- Otani-san. . . Otani-san. . . http://i.imgur.com/mW6Kx.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5J81m.jpg <cite>saveus_Maria posted [p:813870] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: ExThaNemesis \| #045thank you for your always insightful contributionsi had already destroyed this topic by post 10what else did you want me to contribute -- Otani-san. . . Otani-san. . .http://i.imgur.com/mW6Kx.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5J81m.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pacmantis 02/19/12 2:19:00 PM #52:	*edwardsdv posted...* Lets put it this way, there are dude who like flat chested women who are thin as a rail. But there are other people who like curves, and other people who like big bottoms and dont really care about breasts. Some people cant find themselves attracted to asian women while others find them fantastic. Then you have like fetishes and such that disgust some people, and give people like Mac Arrowny their jollies. To put it another way, if perfectly proportioned blondes were the be all end all of attractiveness, wouldnt the majority of women by this point be evolutionarily skewed towards perfectly proportioned blondes? All you've done is proven evolution to be a lie. -- Muglekoopo14 Wakka wakka wakka consumes you <cite>Pacmantis posted [p:813871] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> edwardsdv posted...Lets put it this way, there are dude who like flat chested women who are thin as a rail.But there are other people who like curves, and other people who like big bottoms and dont really care about breasts. Some people cant find themselves attracted to asian women while others find them fantastic.Then you have like fetishes and such that disgust some people, and give people like Mac Arrowny their jollies.To put it another way, if perfectly proportioned blondes were the be all end all of attractiveness, wouldnt the majority of women by this point be evolutionarily skewed towards perfectly proportioned blondes?All you've done is proven evolution to be a lie. -- Muglekoopo14Wakka wakka wakka consumes you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dethfdddddh 02/19/12 2:20:00 PM #53:	*Rad Link 5 posted...* The hip-waist ratio thing is only nearly universal, isn't it? Because I've met people who definitely have a preference for more or less than 0.7. All of evolutionary psychology is about averages; there is always individual variation. -- Fast Falcon ate my bracket for dinner in the guru contest. <cite>dethfdddddh posted [p:813872] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> Rad Link 5 posted...The hip-waist ratio thing is only nearly universal, isn't it? Because I've met people who definitely have a preference for more or less than 0.7.All of evolutionary psychology is about averages; there is always individual variation. -- Fast Falcon ate my bracket for dinner in the guru contest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ExThaNemesis 02/19/12 2:21:00 PM #55:	From: the icon ownz all \| #048 and so your response to this is to push for the objectivity of aesthetics and have the merits of such coincide with what you believe to be beauty, leaving others who do not believe as you do to be wrong? good plan I would like it if people realized that there is a reason that the media portrays certain body types and looks, because that's what looks good. Objectively. For a very large majority of the human race. Perhaps objective beauty is too much of a blanket for 'preferred body type' though, you're right. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:813874] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: the icon ownz all \| #048and so your response to this is to push for the objectivity of aesthetics and have the merits of such coincide with what you believe to be beauty, leaving others who do not believe as you do to be wrong?good planI would like it if people realized that there is a reason that the media portrays certain body types and looks, because that's what looks good. Objectively. For a very large majority of the human race. Perhaps objective beauty is too much of a blanket for 'preferred body type' though, you're right. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg"What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VincentLauw 02/19/12 2:22:00 PM #56:	From: Pacmantis \| #052 *edwardsdv posted...* Lets put it this way, there are dude who like flat chested women who are thin as a rail. But there are other people who like curves, and other people who like big bottoms and dont really care about breasts. Some people cant find themselves attracted to asian women while others find them fantastic. Then you have like fetishes and such that disgust some people, and give people like Mac Arrowny their jollies. To put it another way, if perfectly proportioned blondes were the be all end all of attractiveness, wouldnt the majority of women by this point be evolutionarily skewed towards perfectly proportioned blondes? All you've done is proven evolution to be a lie. I already proved it before that because if evolution existed more people with the best tastebuds (aka the ones who prefer french toast) would exist -- http://i.imgur.com/E8hvh.png drawing of me ©Lisel <cite>VincentLauw posted [p:813875] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: Pacmantis \| #052edwardsdv posted...Lets put it this way, there are dude who like flat chested women who are thin as a rail.But there are other people who like curves, and other people who like big bottoms and dont really care about breasts. Some people cant find themselves attracted to asian women while others find them fantastic.Then you have like fetishes and such that disgust some people, and give people like Mac Arrowny their jollies.To put it another way, if perfectly proportioned blondes were the be all end all of attractiveness, wouldnt the majority of women by this point be evolutionarily skewed towards perfectly proportioned blondes?All you've done is proven evolution to be a lie.I already proved it before that because if evolution existed more people with the best tastebuds (aka the ones who prefer french toast) would exist -- http://i.imgur.com/E8hvh.pngdrawing of me ©Lisel </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Psycho_Kenshin 02/19/12 2:23:00 PM #57:	*Rad Link 5 posted...* The hip-waist ratio thing is only nearly universal, isn't it? Because I've met people who definitely have a preference for more or less than 0.7. Plus, for one thing it can't be universal when many men aren't at all attracted to it (and are attracted to dudes). Even among straight dudes there's no 100% consensus on things like that. Sure there are common things that many find attractive, but it's all still subjective by the very definition, based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. -- One Piece: Pirates with style! -= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- <cite>Psycho_Kenshin posted [p:813876] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> Rad Link 5 posted...The hip-waist ratio thing is only nearly universal, isn't it? Because I've met people who definitely have a preference for more or less than 0.7.Plus, for one thing it can't be universal when many men aren't at all attracted to it (and are attracted to dudes).Even among straight dudes there's no 100% consensus on things like that. Sure there are common things that many find attractive, but it's all still subjective by the very definition, based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. -- One Piece: Pirates with style!-= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pacmantis 02/19/12 2:23:00 PM #58:	*VincentLauw posted...* From: Pacmantis \| #052 edwardsdv posted... Lets put it this way, there are dude who like flat chested women who are thin as a rail. But there are other people who like curves, and other people who like big bottoms and dont really care about breasts. Some people cant find themselves attracted to asian women while others find them fantastic. Then you have like fetishes and such that disgust some people, and give people like Mac Arrowny their jollies. To put it another way, if perfectly proportioned blondes were the be all end all of attractiveness, wouldnt the majority of women by this point be evolutionarily skewed towards perfectly proportioned blondes? All you've done is proven evolution to be a lie. I already proved it before that because if evolution existed more people with the best tastebuds (aka the ones who prefer french toast) would existI Waffles for life, bro -- Muglekoopo14 Wakka wakka wakka consumes you <cite>Pacmantis posted [p:813877] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> VincentLauw posted...From: Pacmantis \| #052edwardsdv posted...Lets put it this way, there are dude who like flat chested women who are thin as a rail.But there are other people who like curves, and other people who like big bottoms and dont really care about breasts. Some people cant find themselves attracted to asian women while others find them fantastic.Then you have like fetishes and such that disgust some people, and give people like Mac Arrowny their jollies.To put it another way, if perfectly proportioned blondes were the be all end all of attractiveness, wouldnt the majority of women by this point be evolutionarily skewed towards perfectly proportioned blondes?All you've done is proven evolution to be a lie.I already proved it before that because if evolution existed more people with the best tastebuds (aka the ones who prefer french toast) would existIWaffles for life, bro -- Muglekoopo14Wakka wakka wakka consumes you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SlymDayspring 02/19/12 2:24:00 PM #59:	extha you post a lot about how your friends say dumb things that piss you off on facebook why do you have so many friends that you think are dumb and piss you off? -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png <cite>SlymDayspring posted [p:813878] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> extha you post a lot about how your friends say dumb things that piss you off on facebookwhy do you have so many friends that you think are dumb and piss you off? -- I'm "kind of a big deal".http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the icon ownz all 02/19/12 2:24:00 PM #60:	i would like it if you realized what objective means and how to use it also wait what From: ExThaNemesis \| #055 I would like it if people realized that there is a reason that the media portrays certain body types and looks, because that's what looks good. Objectively. For a very large majority of the human race. are you saying that what one culture may at one time predominately determine is ideal beauty applies to every culture -- ICON: When there's nothing left to burn, you have to set Bidoof on fire. <cite>the icon ownz all posted [p:813879] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> i would like it if you realized what objective means and how to use italso wait whatFrom: ExThaNemesis \| #055I would like it if people realized that there is a reason that the media portrays certain body types and looks, because that's what looks good. Objectively. For a very large majority of the human race.are you saying that what one culture may at one time predominately determine is ideal beauty applies to every culture -- ICON:When there's nothing left to burn, you have to set Bidoof on fire. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dethfdddddh 02/19/12 2:24:00 PM #61:	*Psycho_Kenshin posted...* Rad Link 5 posted... The hip-waist ratio thing is only nearly universal, isn't it? Because I've met people who definitely have a preference for more or less than 0.7. Well, for one thing it can't be universal when many men aren't at all attracted to it (and are attracted to dudes). But even among straight dudes there's no 100% consensus on things like that. Sure there are common things that a many find attractive, but it's all still subjective by the very definition, based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. By universal, ev. psychologists mean the average preference within a culture. It's universal in the sense that every known culture has this average preference of 0.7. -- Fast Falcon ate my bracket for dinner in the guru contest. <cite>dethfdddddh posted [p:813880] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> Psycho_Kenshin posted...Rad Link 5 posted...The hip-waist ratio thing is only nearly universal, isn't it? Because I've met people who definitely have a preference for more or less than 0.7.Well, for one thing it can't be universal when many men aren't at all attracted to it (and are attracted to dudes).But even among straight dudes there's no 100% consensus on things like that. Sure there are common things that a many find attractive, but it's all still subjective by the very definition, based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.By universal, ev. psychologists mean the average preference within a culture.It's universal in the sense that every known culture has this average preference of 0.7. -- Fast Falcon ate my bracket for dinner in the guru contest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/19/12 2:24:00 PM #62:	Fortunately for us all the french toast anomalies will be bred out of existence in the next hundred years or so -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:813881] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> Fortunately for us all the french toast anomalies will be bred out of existence in the next hundred years or so -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg"What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 02/19/12 2:24:00 PM #63:	+3 French toast -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:813882] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> +3 French toast -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/19/12 2:25:00 PM #64:	From: SlymDayspring \| #060 why do you have so many friends that you think are dumb and piss you off? This is a good question and it's why I wish I could keep facebook deleted permanently. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:813883] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: SlymDayspring \| #060why do you have so many friends that you think are dumb and piss you off?This is a good question and it's why I wish I could keep facebook deleted permanently. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg"What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 02/19/12 2:25:00 PM #65:	I would like it if people realized that there is a reason that the media portrays certain body types and looks, because that's what looks good. Objectively. For a very large majority of the human race. A majority liking something doesn't make it objectively good. You're basically saying "Sexy and I Know It" is an objectively good song because a majority of music listeners like it. <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:813884] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> I would like it if people realized that there is a reason that the media portrays certain body types and looks, because that's what looks good. Objectively. For a very large majority of the human race.A majority liking something doesn't make it objectively good. You're basically saying "Sexy and I Know It" is an objectively good song because a majority of music listeners like it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/19/12 2:26:00 PM #66:	From: Mr Lasastryke \| #065 A majority liking something doesn't make it objectively good. You're basically saying "Sexy and I Know It" is an objectively good song because a majority of music listeners like it. No I am not saying that at all lol -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:813885] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: Mr Lasastryke \| #065A majority liking something doesn't make it objectively good. You're basically saying "Sexy and I Know It" is an objectively good song because a majority of music listeners like it.No I am not saying that at all lol -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg"What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shoenin_Kakashi 02/19/12 2:27:00 PM #67:	Gods Must be Crazy is an awesome movie -- Oh SuperNiceDog's doing it again dude. SuperNiceDog, you ain't no pimp dude <cite>Shoenin_Kakashi posted [p:813886] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> Gods Must be Crazy is an awesome movie -- Oh SuperNiceDog's doing it again dude.SuperNiceDog, you ain't no pimp dude </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 02/19/12 2:27:00 PM #68:	From: ExThaNemesis \| #042 I'm not really concerned with being right, so much as annoyed with this mentality that the media (and men) are evil and wrong for liking a certain body type for women. there's a difference between liking it and ingraining that image so deeply into the psyche of western culture that it starts to cause people to harm themselves in pursuit it even though it may just not be possible for them personally -- bad advice http://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:813887] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: ExThaNemesis \| #042I'm not really concerned with being right, so much as annoyed with this mentality that the media (and men) are evil and wrong for liking a certain body type for women.there's a difference between liking it and ingraining that image so deeply into the psyche of western culture that it starts to cause people to harm themselves in pursuit it even though it may just not be possible for them personally -- bad advicehttp://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/19/12 2:27:00 PM #69:	From: ExThaNemesis \| #055 Objectively. For a very large majority of the human race. You're entering Vlado territory now. Don't do this. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5205/bananase.png <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:813888] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: ExThaNemesis \| #055Objectively. For a very large majority of the human race.You're entering Vlado territory now. Don't do this. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5205/bananase.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Psycho_Kenshin 02/19/12 2:28:00 PM #70:	*edwardsdv posted...* if perfectly proportioned blondes were the be all end all of attractiveness Just wanted to point out, an objective idea of a perfectly proportioned women doesn't exist. Even the most mainstream on TV blonde supermodel like say Kate Upton is too skinny too some or not skinny enough for others. One of the reasones why what ExTha's saying simply can't make any sense, he's saying the mainstream idea of beauty you see in the media is objectively what's hot. But even what's shown there has enough variation to be subjective, not even supermodels are objectively beautiful to everyone. Right here on board 8 plenty of people call models ugly all the time. -- One Piece: Pirates with style! -= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- <cite>Psycho_Kenshin posted [p:813889] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> edwardsdv posted...if perfectly proportioned blondes were the be all end all of attractivenessJust wanted to point out, an objective idea of a perfectly proportioned women doesn't exist. Even the most mainstream on TV blonde supermodel like say Kate Upton is too skinny too some or not skinny enough for others. One of the reasones why what ExTha's saying simply can't make any sense, he's saying the mainstream idea of beauty you see in the media is objectively what's hot. But even what's shown there has enough variation to be subjective, not even supermodels are objectively beautiful to everyone. Right here on board 8 plenty of people call models ugly all the time. -- One Piece: Pirates with style!-= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/19/12 2:28:00 PM #71:	From: Viktor Vaughn \| #068 there's a difference between liking it and ingraining that image so deeply into the psyche of western culture that it starts to cause people to harm themselves in pursuit it even though it may just not be possible for them personally the media doesn't ingrain that though, is what I'm saying. It's what men prefer. The same way women prefer certain physical traits in men. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:813890] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: Viktor Vaughn \| #068there's a difference between liking it and ingraining that image so deeply into the psyche of western culture that it starts to cause people to harm themselves in pursuit it even though it may just not be possible for them personallythe media doesn't ingrain that though, is what I'm saying. It's what men prefer. The same way women prefer certain physical traits in men. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg"What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/19/12 2:29:00 PM #72:	From: Psycho_Kenshin \| #070 Right here on board 8 plenty of people call models ugly all the time. I don't think you should be using this fact to try and aid your argument. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:813891] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: Psycho_Kenshin \| #070Right here on board 8 plenty of people call models ugly all the time.I don't think you should be using this fact to try and aid your argument. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg"What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Psycho_Kenshin 02/19/12 2:30:00 PM #73:	Because you think they're all objectively wrong, I'm guessing? Everyone has their own personal taste and it's subjective. -- One Piece: Pirates with style! -= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- <cite>Psycho_Kenshin posted [p:813892] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> Because you think they're all objectively wrong, I'm guessing?Everyone has their own personal taste and it's subjective. -- One Piece: Pirates with style!-= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/19/12 2:30:00 PM #74:	ExTha, I've found irrefutable evidence that your argument is wrong. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i53.tinypic.com/2zznaeq.jpg <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:813893] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> ExTha, I've found irrefutable evidence that your argument is wrong. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://i53.tinypic.com/2zznaeq.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the icon ownz all 02/19/12 2:30:00 PM #75:	From: Shoenin_Kakashi \| #067 Gods Must be Crazy is an awesome movie it really is -- ICON: I'm pretty serious about chocobos. <cite>the icon ownz all posted [p:813894] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: Shoenin_Kakashi \| #067Gods Must be Crazy is an awesome movieit really is -- ICON:I'm pretty serious about chocobos. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/19/12 2:30:00 PM #76:	From: Psycho_Kenshin \| #073 Because you think they're all objectively wrong, I'm guessing? I think it's because the kids on board 8 calling models ugly are pretty much exclusively jokes that have never been in the same room as a naked woman that wasn't their own mother. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:813895] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: Psycho_Kenshin \| #073Because you think they're all objectively wrong, I'm guessing?I think it's because the kids on board 8 calling models ugly are pretty much exclusively jokes that have never been in the same room as a naked woman that wasn't their own mother. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg"What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Psycho_Kenshin 02/19/12 2:31:00 PM #77:	*ExThaNemesis posted...* It's what men prefer. The same way women prefer certain physical traits in men. So what are your views on gay guys who are into bears (fat hairy guys)? -- One Piece: Pirates with style! -= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- <cite>Psycho_Kenshin posted [p:813896] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> ExThaNemesis posted...It's what men prefer. The same way women prefer certain physical traits in men.So what are your views on gay guys who are into bears (fat hairy guys)? -- One Piece: Pirates with style!-= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/19/12 2:31:00 PM #78:	From: Rad Link 5 \| #074 ExTha, I've found irrefutable evidence that your argument is wrong. darn no-selling labradoodles. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:813897] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: Rad Link 5 \| #074ExTha, I've found irrefutable evidence that your argument is wrong.darn no-selling labradoodles. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg"What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/19/12 2:34:00 PM #79:	From: Mr Lasastryke \| #065 A majority liking something doesn't make it objectively good. You're basically saying "Sexy and I Know It" is an objectively good song because a majority of music listeners like it. Also this is a problematic mentality. You're trying to say everything is subjective, but then disparaging the people that "subjectively" enjoy 'Sexy And I Know It'. It's a lil contradictory. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:813898] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: Mr Lasastryke \| #065A majority liking something doesn't make it objectively good. You're basically saying "Sexy and I Know It" is an objectively good song because a majority of music listeners like it.Also this is a problematic mentality. You're trying to say everything is subjective, but then disparaging the people that "subjectively" enjoy 'Sexy And I Know It'. It's a lil contradictory. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg"What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 02/19/12 2:38:00 PM #80:	From: ExThaNemesis \| #071 the media doesn't ingrain that though, is what I'm saying. are you sure? i'm not saying that it's wrong to have a preference, because you can't really control what gets your dick hard but the idea, that the media isn't constantly presenting a certain ideal (for women AND men!) and trying to sell it to people and reinforcing that preference, doesn't hold water with me. -- bad advice http://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:813899] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: ExThaNemesis \| #071the media doesn't ingrain that though, is what I'm saying.are you sure? i'm not saying that it's wrong to have a preference, because you can't really control what gets your dick hardbut the idea, that the media isn't constantly presenting a certain ideal (for women AND men!) and trying to sell it to people and reinforcing that preference, doesn't hold water with me. -- bad advicehttp://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/19/12 2:41:00 PM #81:	I'm saying that the media doesn't ingrain the idea, they're presenting it because it's what is preferred! -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:813900] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> I'm saying that the media doesn't ingrain the idea, they're presenting it because it's what is preferred! -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg"What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the icon ownz all 02/19/12 2:43:00 PM #82:	From: ExThaNemesis \| #079 You're trying to say everything is subjective No, he's not. He's simply substituting one example of aesthetic preference with another. but then disparaging the people that "subjectively" enjoy 'Sexy And I Know It'. No, he's not. He made no value judgement whatsoever. It's a lil contradictory. No, it's not in the slightest bit contradictory. And yes, when it comes to matters of aesthetics, it is entirely subjective. Matters of taste and beauty depend on human attitudes. That is not an endorsement of relativism, however, because relativism is boring and retards creativity. You are still able to use objective measures to determine what is more worthy or has a higher artistic value, but as I said earlier, it's dangerous to confuse that for outright objectivity. It's more a matter of using dozens of tools to build an argument and not coming off like a dick. -- Love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world. <cite>the icon ownz all posted [p:813901] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: ExThaNemesis \| #079You're trying to say everything is subjectiveNo, he's not. He's simply substituting one example of aesthetic preference with another. but then disparaging the people that "subjectively" enjoy 'Sexy And I Know It'.No, he's not. He made no value judgement whatsoever.It's a lil contradictory.No, it's not in the slightest bit contradictory.And yes, when it comes to matters of aesthetics, it is entirely subjective. Matters of taste and beauty depend on human attitudes. That is not an endorsement of relativism, however, because relativism is boring and retards creativity. You are still able to use objective measures to determine what is more worthy or has a higher artistic value, but as I said earlier, it's dangerous to confuse that for outright objectivity. It's more a matter of using dozens of tools to build an argument and not coming off like a dick. -- Love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 02/19/12 2:43:00 PM #83:	From: ExThaNemesis \| #071 the media doesn't ingrain that though, is what I'm saying. It's what men prefer. The same way women prefer certain physical traits in men. But its not universal and therefore not objective. The perfect woman, circa 100 BC The Perfect Woman Circa 2011 and There are so major difference. A Pair of...rather big... differences. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:813902] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: ExThaNemesis \| #071the media doesn't ingrain that though, is what I'm saying. It's what men prefer. The same way women prefer certain physical traits in men.But its not universal and therefore not objective.The perfect woman, circa 100 BCThe Perfect Woman Circa 2011 andThere are so major difference.A Pair of...rather big... differences. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 02/19/12 2:45:00 PM #84:	From: ExThaNemesis \| #081 I'm saying that the media doesn't ingrain the idea, they're presenting it because it's what is preferred! i'm not disagreeing with that! i'm just saying that it's sort of a feedback loop. it's preferred, so it's presented in media. it reinforces that preference, which in turn causes those presenting it in media to push it even harder. and it warps people's perceptions of themselves and one another. -- bad advice http://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:813903] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: ExThaNemesis \| #081I'm saying that the media doesn't ingrain the idea, they're presenting it because it's what is preferred!i'm not disagreeing with that! i'm just saying that it's sort of a feedback loop. it's preferred, so it's presented in media. it reinforces that preference, which in turn causes those presenting it in media to push it even harder. and it warps people's perceptions of themselves and one another. -- bad advicehttp://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/19/12 2:48:00 PM #85:	Also all opinions and judgment calls are technically subjective since it's impossible to see anything from any perspective other than your own. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i56.tinypic.com/2117wag.jpg <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:813904] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> Also all opinions and judgment calls are technically subjective since it's impossible to see anything from any perspective other than your own. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://i56.tinypic.com/2117wag.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/19/12 2:48:00 PM #86:	Well you guys definitely answered my question, so I appreciate the discussion even though we disagree on a lot of this. Thanks. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:813905] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> Well you guys definitely answered my question, so I appreciate the discussion even though we disagree on a lot of this. Thanks. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg"What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metaIslugg 02/19/12 3:18:00 PM #87:	this has 80 posts -- http://i.imgur.com/wl4c3.jpg <cite>metaIslugg posted [p:813906] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> this has 80 posts -- http://i.imgur.com/wl4c3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TimJab 02/19/12 3:19:00 PM #88:	From: ExThaNemesis \| #012 I prefer red heads =) -- http://i.imgur.com/5vOFJ.gif <cite>TimJab posted [p:813907] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: ExThaNemesis \| #012I prefer red heads=) -- http://i.imgur.com/5vOFJ.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/19/12 3:28:00 PM #89:	From: TimJab \| #088 =) ;) -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:813908] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: TimJab \| #088=);) -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg"What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TimJab 02/19/12 3:40:00 PM #90:	=D -- http://www.thejetsblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/himommangold_thumb.jpg <cite>TimJab posted [p:813909] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> =D -- http://www.thejetsblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/himommangold_thumb.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/19/12 3:52:00 PM #91:	:-* -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:813910] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> :-* -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg"What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 02/20/12 12:43:00 AM #92:	re: subjective vs objective something can only be objectively true if you agree to the same criteria. so if you and your buddy agree that harmonic complexity is good in music, you can objectively prove that the romantic era of classical music is better than modern pop music or whatever. but if you don't agree to criteria, you can basically only discuss your preferences. the LSAT Logic podcast guy discussed this once, which is when I stopped being so stupid and trying to prove to people that they like bad music and decided to just be chill about it all instead. I do agree that the "society used to prefer fat women" piece of pseudo-history is pretty silly though. it's been debunked pretty thoroughly but you still see it pop up with some regularity. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:813911] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> re: subjective vs objectivesomething can only be objectively true if you agree to the same criteria. so if you and your buddy agree that harmonic complexity is good in music, you can objectively prove that the romantic era of classical music is better than modern pop music or whatever. but if you don't agree to criteria, you can basically only discuss your preferences. the LSAT Logic podcast guy discussed this once, which is when I stopped being so stupid and trying to prove to people that they like bad music and decided to just be chill about it all instead.I do agree that the "society used to prefer fat women" piece of pseudo-history is pretty silly though. it's been debunked pretty thoroughly but you still see it pop up with some regularity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vlado 02/20/12 4:30:00 AM #93:	This is a rather stupid question. It's a fact that it isn't objective. Check out that "babes contest," for instance, different people vote for different women there. You could argue that they are all "varying degrees of beautiful," and yet, many people complain that some of them are ugly/meh/whatever. So this is clear empirical evidence right there. Humans cannot be simplified to a simple number/proportion/whatever, even in something as superficial as beauty. -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES! Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html <cite>Vlado posted [p:813912] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> This is a rather stupid question. It's a fact that it isn't objective. Check out that "babes contest," for instance, different people vote for different women there. You could argue that they are all "varying degrees of beautiful," and yet, many people complain that some of them are ugly/meh/whatever. So this is clear empirical evidence right there. Humans cannot be simplified to a simple number/proportion/whatever, even in something as superficial as beauty. -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES!Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wiind 02/20/12 4:33:00 AM #94:	Lets put it this way, there are dude who like flat chested women who are thin as a rail. But there are other people who like curves, and other people who like big bottoms and dont really care about breasts. Some people cant find themselves attracted to asian women while others find them fantastic. Then you have like fetishes and such that disgust some people, and give people like Mac Arrowny their jollies. To put it another way, if perfectly proportioned blondes were the be all end all of attractiveness, wouldnt the majority of women by this point be evolutionarily skewed towards perfectly proportioned blondes? this is about sexiness beautiful, pretty, cute, sexy etc describe different aesthetic values, they are not entirely interchangeable! </peeve> <cite>Liquid Wiind posted [p:813913] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> Lets put it this way, there are dude who like flat chested women who are thin as a rail.But there are other people who like curves, and other people who like big bottoms and dont really care about breasts. Some people cant find themselves attracted to asian women while others find them fantastic.Then you have like fetishes and such that disgust some people, and give people like Mac Arrowny their jollies.To put it another way, if perfectly proportioned blondes were the be all end all of attractiveness, wouldnt the majority of women by this point be evolutionarily skewed towards perfectly proportioned blondes?this is about sexinessbeautiful, pretty, cute, sexy etc describe different aesthetic values, they are not entirely interchangeable!</peeve> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VitalVI 02/20/12 4:59:00 AM #95:	ITT: Extha is a moron. -- http://gifsoup.com/view5/3351149/ringtone-dance-o.gif <cite>VitalVI posted [p:813914] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> ITT: Extha is a moron. -- http://gifsoup.com/view5/3351149/ringtone-dance-o.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 02/20/12 6:19:00 AM #96:	Beauty is subjective. Ugliness is not. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:813915] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> Beauty is subjective.Ugliness is not. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land."-Toad, SMB3 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the icon ownz all 02/20/12 8:14:00 AM #97:	From: OmarsComin \| #092 something can only be objectively true if you agree to the same criteria arguing from a common ground is also not objectivity. so if you and your buddy agree that harmonic complexity is good in music, you can objectively prove that the romantic era of classical music is better than modern pop music or whatever. this is like extha's example earlier - subjective truths (this is better than that) based on objective facts (romance music exists, has harmonic complexity), but it is not objectivity -- ICON: Can I kick it? <cite>the icon ownz all posted [p:813916] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: OmarsComin \| #092something can only be objectively true if you agree to the same criteriaarguing from a common ground is also not objectivity. so if you and your buddy agree that harmonic complexity is good in music, you can objectively prove that the romantic era of classical music is better than modern pop music or whatever.this is like extha's example earlier - subjective truths (this is better than that) based on objective facts (romance music exists, has harmonic complexity), but it is not objectivity -- ICON:Can I kick it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
th3l3fty 02/20/12 8:50:00 AM #98:	From: edwardsdv \| #083 But its not universal and therefore not objective. The perfect woman, circa 100 BC The Perfect Woman Circa 2011 and There are so major difference. A Pair of...rather big... differences. is it the arms -- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris <cite>th3l3fty posted [p:813917] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> From: edwardsdv \| #083But its not universal and therefore not objective.The perfect woman, circa 100 BCThe Perfect Woman Circa 2011 andThere are so major difference.A Pair of...rather big... differences.is it the arms -- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -trannyI have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mershaaay 02/20/12 8:51:00 AM #99:	This all would have been resolved by watching the link I posted -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness. The Resurrection <cite>Mershaaay posted [p:813918] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> This all would have been resolved by watching the link I posted -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness.The Resurrection </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 02/20/12 11:05:00 AM #100:	this is like extha's example earlier - subjective truths (this is better than that) based on objective facts (romance music exists, has harmonic complexity), but it is not objectivity it's about reaching a consensus between everyone. in the whole wide world, you'd have to get everyone to agree to a preference for it to become objective, but that doesn't prevent it from being so. this dude explains it a lot better than I can: A claim is epistemologically subjective (or a matter of opinion) if the primary relevant evidence for determining the truth value of statements about the issue is metaphysically subjective. For example, the issue of whether vanilla ice cream tastes better than chocolate ice cream is a matter of opinion because the truth value of the statement "Vanilla ice cream tastes better than chocolate ice cream", uttered by a particular person, depends primarily on how the ice cream tastes to that person, and that taste is metaphysically subjective. Many aspects of ice-cream eating are matters of fact: a particular dish of ice cream has the chemical composition it has, for example, independently of anyone's experience. But taste is different; taste does not exist until somebody experiences it. (Remember this doesn't mean taste isn't REAL; taste simply exists in a metaphysically different way from the chemical composition.) The statement "Vanilla ice cream tastes better than chocolate ice cream" might also be epistemologically objective. As noted above, people are public beings in a public world. If everyone who ate chocolate ice cream declared sincerely that it tasted awful, and vanilla ice cream tasted better, then metaphysically objective data would be available, and the statement "Vanilla ice cream tastes better than chocolate ice cream" would no longer be a matter of opinion, but a matter of fact. (It would become comparable to "Vanilla ice cream tastes better than Drano"; the ordinary response to the latter would be "Well, of course" — not "Well, that's YOUR opinion".) http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/subjective_objective.html you will probably never get consensus on most of these things. but we do all live in the same universe and evolved under similar environmental pressures and can all experience things the same way. if we reject that we go into a weird area of moral relativism, I can't mathematically prove that Chun Li is an awful broken character in 3S but we can all agree that it is objectively true. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:813919] in What makes... [t:62002267]...</cite> <quote> this is like extha's example earlier - subjective truths (this is better than that) based on objective facts (romance music exists, has harmonic complexity), but it is not objectivityit's about reaching a consensus between everyone. in the whole wide world, you'd have to get everyone to agree to a preference for it to become objective, but that doesn't prevent it from being so. this dude explains it a lot better than I can:A claim is epistemologically subjective (or a matter of opinion) if the primary relevant evidence for determining the truth value of statements about the issue is metaphysically subjective. For example, the issue of whether vanilla ice cream tastes better than chocolate ice cream is a matter of opinion because the truth value of the statement "Vanilla ice cream tastes better than chocolate ice cream", uttered by a particular person, depends primarily on how the ice cream tastes to that person, and that taste is metaphysically subjective. Many aspects of ice-cream eating are matters of fact: a particular dish of ice cream has the chemical composition it has, for example, independently of anyone's experience. But taste is different; taste does not exist until somebody experiences it. (Remember this doesn't mean taste isn't REAL; taste simply exists in a metaphysically different way from the chemical composition.)The statement "Vanilla ice cream tastes better than chocolate ice cream" might also be epistemologically objective. As noted above, people are public beings in a public world. If everyone who ate chocolate ice cream declared sincerely that it tasted awful, and vanilla ice cream tasted better, then metaphysically objective data would be available, and the statement "Vanilla ice cream tastes better than chocolate ice cream" would no longer be a matter of opinion, but a matter of fact. (It would become comparable to "Vanilla ice cream tastes better than Drano"; the ordinary response to the latter would be "Well, of course" — not "Well, that's YOUR opinion".) http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/subjective_objective.htmlyou will probably never get consensus on most of these things. but we do all live in the same universe and evolved under similar environmental pressures and can all experience things the same way. if we reject that we go into a weird area of moral relativism, I can't mathematically prove that Chun Li is an awful broken character in 3S but we can all agree that it is objectively true. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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