Board 8 > In what world do women object to ultrasounds but not abortions

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Seginustemple
02/23/12 11:56:00 AM
#1:


I'm all pro-choice myself but they both seem like equally invasive procedures...

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Justin_Crossing
02/23/12 11:56:00 AM
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how are they at all comparable

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Menji76
02/23/12 11:57:00 AM
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isn't an ultrasound just rubbing stuff on your belly and then using that thing on it to see inside your belly?

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SlymDayspring
02/23/12 11:58:00 AM
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In what world do women object to forced, unwanted, invasive ultrasounds but not abortions

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and the real world

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Seginustemple
02/23/12 11:59:00 AM
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isn't an ultrasound just rubbing stuff on your belly and then using that thing on it to see inside your belly?

That's what I assumed...

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neonreaper
02/23/12 11:59:00 AM
#6:


Menji76 posted...
isn't an ultrasound just rubbing stuff on your belly and then using that thing on it to see inside your belly?

no

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Seginustemple
02/23/12 12:02:00 PM
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"Forced" as in accepted as a necessary consequence of choosing to get an abortion, maybe. How is it more invasive than an abortion?

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KingButz
02/23/12 12:03:00 PM
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They aren't forced to do anything. In VA if they want an abortion then they have to get an ultrasound.

Is it a law I agree with? not really. But nobody is forcing anything

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CrimsonOcean
02/23/12 12:03:00 PM
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lol wat

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MoogleKupo141
02/23/12 12:04:00 PM
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Seginustemple posted...
"Forced" as in accepted as a necessary consequence of choosing to get an abortion, maybe. How is it more invasive than an abortion?

It's more invasive because it's undesired. The woman wants to have an abortion, she does not want to have a doctor shove a dongle in her arbitrarily.

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Cloud and Squall
02/23/12 12:05:00 PM
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I misread this topic at first as "In what world to women not object to ultrasounds but abortions" and was kinda confused.

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AlecTrevelyan006
02/23/12 12:05:00 PM
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You can't do an extraabdominal ultrasound until later in a pregnancy.

Early on you would need to do an vaginal ultrasound. ie penetration with the ultrasound equipment.

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Hrezs
02/23/12 12:06:00 PM
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Its more 'why the **** do I need an ultrasound to get an abortion'

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JeffreyRaze
02/23/12 12:06:00 PM
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Well, three things.

1: Ultrasounds are bloody expensive.
2: In this case they are utterly unnecessary.
3: If you're referring to what I think you're referring to, they used a much, much more invasive technique. I don't know the specifics, but a vaginal ultrasound is an absurd thing to demand women go through for no damn reason.

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Seginustemple
02/23/12 12:07:00 PM
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Oh I'm sure they're medically arbitrary reasons, maybe she shouldn't have arbitrarily got pregnant

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MoogleKupo141
02/23/12 12:09:00 PM
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Seginustemple posted...
Oh I'm sure they're medically arbitrary reasons, maybe she shouldn't have arbitrarily got pregnant

abortions aren't like... fun. you don't need to be punishing the lady

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GuessMyUserName
02/23/12 12:09:00 PM
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I've had an ultrasound..... why would anyone object to them? o_o

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SlymDayspring
02/23/12 12:09:00 PM
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They aren't forced to do anything. In VA if they want an abortion then they have to get an ultrasound.

Is it a law I agree with? not really. But nobody is forcing anything


um...people are objecting only to the ultrasounds in the context of them being forced if you want an abortion. so yeah...it isn't a mandatory "everyone must do this" but the argument isn't "i am against ultrasounds" it is "i am against being forced to get an invasive vaginal ultrasound if I want an abortion"

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KingButz
02/23/12 12:14:00 PM
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From: SlymDayspring | #018
They aren't forced to do anything. In VA if they want an abortion then they have to get an ultrasound.

Is it a law I agree with? not really. But nobody is forcing anything


um...people are objecting only to the ultrasounds in the context of them being forced if you want an abortion. so yeah...it isn't a mandatory "everyone must do this" but the argument isn't "i am against ultrasounds" it is "i am against being forced to get an invasive vaginal ultrasound if I want an abortion"


And I'm against having to take an unnecessary and expensive gun safety course in order to purchase a handgun!

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JeffreyRaze
02/23/12 12:19:00 PM
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"I don't want to have to do something connected to something else" =/= "I don't want to have a piece of gear shoved deep up inside me despite doing so having absolutely zero connection to what I want to do"

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Viktor Vaughn
02/23/12 12:20:00 PM
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From: KingButz | #019
And I'm against having to take an unnecessary and expensive gun safety course in order to purchase a handgun!


okay??? who cares

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SlymDayspring
02/23/12 12:26:00 PM
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And I'm against having to take an unnecessary and expensive gun safety course in order to purchase a handgun!

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KingButz
02/23/12 12:28:00 PM
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From: Viktor Vaughn | #021
okay??? who cares


yeah, who cares

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Kinglicious
02/23/12 12:30:00 PM
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'hi there, you're here to have an abortion? Sure, what were the circumstances? Oh you were raped and got pregnant. That is unfortunate. Now can you please spread your legs so I can insert this phallic object bigger than the average dick into you? No it has no purpose regarding the abortion you are having, it's so we can maybe get look at the baby you don't want. You don't have to see him though, we can't force that image upon you. Now open those legs so I can force this object inside of you. '

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CrimsonOcean
02/23/12 12:34:00 PM
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If the chicks didn't want something shoved up their vag they should have thought about that before having sex.

^5 anyone? Anyone?

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KingButz
02/23/12 12:35:00 PM
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From: Kinglicious | #025
'hi there, you're here to have an abortion? Sure, what were the circumstances? Oh you were raped and got pregnant. That is unfortunate. Now can you please spread your legs so I can insert this phallic object bigger than the average dick into you? No it has no purpose regarding the abortion you are having, it's so we can maybe get look at the baby you don't want. You don't have to see him though, we can't force that image upon you. Now open those legs so I can force this object inside of you. '


lol no rape exception. This is why I can't support abortion laws.

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Biolizard28
02/23/12 12:36:00 PM
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From: Kinglicious | #025
Now can you please spread your legs so I can insert this phallic object bigger than the average dick into you?


Top tier pick up line.

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Justin_Crossing
02/23/12 12:37:00 PM
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From: GuessMyUserName | #017
I've had an ultrasound..... why would anyone object to them? o_o


GMUN keep in mind that we don't have to pay for ultrasounds

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XxSoulxX
02/23/12 12:38:00 PM
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This point was brought up on Bill Maher last week. There's really no point to it other then embarrassing the woman. The ultrasound is a nicer way of saying "probing a woman's vagina". A lot of people say that that's fine, but if it comes to say... probing a guys ass if he gets an STD, a lot of opinions quickly change.

Unfortunately, some States are just so pro-religion and so anti-evolution (not evolution of the world just evolution of culture) that these "ideas" are quickly being put to law without much hesitation.

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ExThaNemesis
02/23/12 12:40:00 PM
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itt: dudes who have no idea what an ultrasound is lmao

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Seginustemple
02/23/12 12:40:00 PM
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Well if it's totally unnecessary that does make it hard to justify, unlike handgun safety training. I'm just sayin some of those abortion techniques seem pretty grotesque and invasive. I wouldn't be able to be an abortion doctor, that's for damn sure

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XxSoulxX
02/23/12 12:43:00 PM
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Well if it's totally unnecessary that does make it hard to justify, unlike handgun safety training. I'm just sayin some of those abortion techniques seem pretty grotesque and invasive. I wouldn't be able to be an abortion doctor, that's for damn sure

Getting an abortion is a very tough thing to do. All those "invasive techniques" are still used to actually do the abortion, but before all that the woman has to get vaginally probed for no reason whatsoever.

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Viktor Vaughn
02/23/12 12:43:00 PM
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From: KingButz | #023
yeah, who cares


probably somebody in a different conversation.

so why don't you go have that conversation rather than bringing it up in a context in which it is not relevant to the issue that is being discussed

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CoolCly
02/23/12 12:51:00 PM
#34:


KingButz kinda has a point. If the ultrasound was necessary to ensure a safe abortion then of course it should be mandatory.


You guys are talking like it's not though, which may be true. If not, then there is absolutely no reason for it. If is needed, then, well, the law has a purpose.

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foolm0ron
02/23/12 12:53:00 PM
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Why don't we just let the doctors decide?

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neonreaper
02/23/12 12:54:00 PM
#36:


CoolCly posted...
KingButz kinda has a point. If the ultrasound was necessary to ensure a safe abortion then of course it should be mandatory.


You guys are talking like it's not though, which may be true. If not, then there is absolutely no reason for it. If is needed, then, well, the law has a purpose.


it's not at all true.

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neonreaper
02/23/12 12:58:00 PM
#37:


Seginustemple posted...
Well if it's totally unnecessary that does make it hard to justify, unlike handgun safety training. I'm just sayin some of those abortion techniques seem pretty grotesque and invasive. I wouldn't be able to be an abortion doctor, that's for damn sure

the gun safety course is a stupid analogy, just ignore it

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CeraSeptem
02/23/12 1:00:00 PM
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You guys are talking like it's not though, which may be true. If not, then there is absolutely no reason for it. If is needed, then, well, the law has a purpose.

There is no reason for this. Besides the fact that that is a medical fact, think of it this way. If it was an actually necessary procedure to get an abortion, then why the **** did it take 50 years for Virginia to pass the law to make sure that people get proper medical treatment, and further, how the hell would they manage to be AHEAD of every other state on the matter? I mean, really, Virginia?

The answer is obvious: they are adding bull**** on top of the procedure in order to be dicks.

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Kinglicious
02/23/12 1:02:00 PM
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It has nothing to do with the abortion at all, no. It's to guilt trip the would be mom. The only reason it won't pass is because if it did the state would become Democrats.

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Master Epyon
02/23/12 1:06:00 PM
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Ultrasounds should not be a required component prior to an abortion. A patient who doesn't want to undergo one should still be able to undergo an abortion, obviously.

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KingButz
02/23/12 1:26:00 PM
#41:


From: CeraSeptem | #038
The answer is obvious: they are adding bull**** on top of the procedure in order to be dicks.


Well I thought that everyone knew this. They can't make it illegal so they want to make it less desirable.

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Dark Young Link
02/23/12 2:00:00 PM
#42:


CrimsonOcean posted...
If the chicks didn't want something shoved up their vag they should have thought about that before having sex.

^5 anyone? Anyone?


^5


Plus, and I'll admit I'm no expert on the matter, doesn't abortion involve having something uncomfortable shoved up there?

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Leebo86
02/23/12 2:07:00 PM
#43:


The ultrasounds in the Virginia law are performed by vaginal probe, it's not the usual external belly kind.

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LOLContests
02/23/12 2:08:00 PM
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And I'm against having to take an unnecessary and expensive gun safety course in order to purchase a handgun!

An ultrasound doesn't make the abortion safer, does it? For other people besides the woman?

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