Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 177: 10 years, $10, American Strong-KILL STEEN KILL

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Oh it was worth $10 easy, but Showdown in the Sun for $20 will be a much better investment if money is tight.

ESPECIALLY if tag matches aren't your thing, like you said.

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"The Man" title inspired me to look up the past several years and compile where the European Championship would be today had it been not retired. Took a few things into consideration...

- Title can't change in tag team or handicap matches
- Title can't change on DQ or countout, unless said champion was in a match where their title could change that way
- If champion retires/gets injured and has to vacate his real title, he also vacates the European title.

At this given moment, the current European Champion is CM Punk! Other tidbits...

- Randy Orton would have the most reigns, with 9
- Shane McMahon would have the longest reign, beating Shawn Michaels on 3-6-2006 and staying unpinned in singles competition until losing to Bobby Lashley on 5-21-2007, making Shane's reign 441 days long
- Shortest reign would be Edge, who would win the belt from Batista at Night of Champions in 2008, only to lose it the next night to CM Punk

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hey now, adam cole actually isn't really a guy wrestling in the wolves' style. only one in that match and it showed pretty clearly too. eddie/kyle actually would be a great match by the way things went, those two have some awesome chemistry that i think is better than davey/eddie. i really, really like kyle's take on that style of wrestling.

but that finish. wow.


also....
YES
YES
YES
YES

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AA+++ event.

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Has anyone cashed in their Money in the Bank contract for the European Championship?

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Man. This DVD is going to be so great. #LWF #MAW #SDW #IWA #IWC #ROH #OVW #WWE


Wow, I'm really shocked and surprised WWE went the extra mile here!

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Here's the match listing for the upcoming Clash of the Champions DVD/Blu-ray. I'm SHOCKED Flair vs. Steamboat from Clash VI is missing, but maybe it's already on too many other DVDs.

NWA World Heavyweight Championship Match
‘Nature Boy' Ric Flair vs. Sting
Clash of the Champions - 27th March, 1988

NWA World Tag Team Championship Match
Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard vs. Lex Luger & Barry Windham
Clash of the Champions - 27th March, 1988

NWA World Tag Team Championship Match
Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard vs. Sting & Dusty Rhodes
Clash of the Champions II - 8th June, 1988

Russian Chain Match
Ricky Morton vs. Ivan Koloff
Clash of the Champions III - 7th September, 1988

"I Quit" Match for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship
‘Nature Boy' Ric Flair vs. Terry Funk
Clash of the Champions IX - 15th November, 1989

Mil Mascaras vs. Cactus Jack Manson
Clash of the Champions X - 6th February, 1990

NWA World Tag Team Championship Match
Midnight Express vs. Rock & Roll Express
Clash of the Champions XI - 13th June, 1990

NWA United States Championship Match
‘Nature Boy' Ric Flair vs. Lex Luger
Clash of the Champions XII - 5th September, 1990

The Young Pistols & Z-Man vs. The Fabulous Freebirds
Clash of the Champions XV - 12th June, 1991

15-Man Battle Royal
Clash of the Champions XVI - 5th September, 1991

WCW United States Championship Match
Sting vs. ‘Ravishing' Rick Rude
Clash of the Champions XVII - 19th November, 1991

2 out of 3 Falls Match
‘Nature Boy' Ric Flair & Arn Anderson vs. The Hollywood Blonds
Clash of the Champions XXIII - 17th June, 1993

Brian Pillman vs. "Stunning" Steve Austin
Clash of the Champions XXV - 10th November, 1993

WCW Television Title Match
Lord Steven Regal vs. Dustin Rhodes
Clash of the Champions XXVI - 27th January, 1994

Elimination Tag Team Match
Sting & ‘Nature Boy' Ric Flair vs. ‘Ravishing' Rick Rude & Vader
Clash of the Champions XXVI - 27th January, 1994

Championship Unification Match
Sting vs. ‘Nature Boy' Ric Flair
Clash of the Champions XXVII - 23rd June, 1994

WCW United States Championship Match
"Stunning" Steve Austin vs. Ricky ‘The Dragon' Steamboat
Clash of the Champions XXVIII - 24th August, 1994

Hulk Hogan & ‘Macho Man' Randy Savage vs. ‘Nature Boy' Ric Flair & The Giant
Clash of the Champions XXXII - 23rd January, 1996

Madusa vs. Bull Nakano
Clash of the Champions XXXIII - 15th August, 1996

Match for the BattleBowl Ring
Diamond Dallas Page vs. Eddie Guerrero
Clash of the Champions XXXIII - 15th August, 1996

WCW World Tag Team Championship Triple Threat Match
Harlem Heat vs. The Steiner Brothers vs. Sting & Lex Luger
Clash of the Champions XXXIII - 15th August, 1996

WCW Cruiserweight Championship Match
Ultimo Dragon vs. Dean Malenko
Clash of the Champions XXXIV - 21st January, 1997

WCW Cruiserweight Championship Match
Chris Jericho vs. Eddie Guerrero
Clash of the Champions XXXV - 21st August, 1997

Diamond Dallas Page & Lex Luger vs. Scott Hall & ‘Macho Man' Randy Savage
Clash of the Champions XXXV - 21st August, 1997


Blu-ray Exclusive Content

'Nature Boy' Ric Flair and Barry Windham vs. Midnight Express
Clash of the Champions IV - 7th December, 1988

Sting and Ricky ‘The Dragon' Steamboat vs. ‘Ravishing' Rick Rude and Steve Austin
Clash of the Champions XVIII - 21st January, 1992

Thunder Cage Match
Dustin Rhodes & Sting vs. Big Van Vader, Paul Orndorff and Barry Windham
Clash of the Champions XXII - 13th January, 1993

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From: Rad Link 5 | #106
Has anyone cashed in their Money in the Bank contract for the European Championship?

CM Punk and The Miz. Daniel Bryan came close, but Zack Ryder pinned Mark Henry 1-on-1 two weeks before TLC.

Might try something different for the Hardcore title, like make it where the title CAN change in tag team matches, if the champ is pinned. Otherwise, it gets the exact same path as the European title once Batista gets it in 2005.

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Whoa.... guess what the next wrestling DVD I am buying is...

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edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously?

For the Hardcore title, it should probably be able to change hands in any match, but only by pinfall. I don't remember anyone tapping out during 24/7 Hardcore, although I could be wrong.

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this is so catchy

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this is so catchy



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Interested in where the Hardcore Title ends up, but would you start the lineage with RVD when the title was unified or with Edge/Foley when the declared themselves co-Hardcore Champions in 2006?

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So I hit a snag. Shane McMahon wins the Hardcore Title in May 2007 but doesn't wrestle another match until 2009. Should I strip him of the belt, imposing a "30 day rule" of not defending the title, or should I let him keep it all the way to No Way Out '09 when Orton defeats him?

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From: sonten1 | #118
So I hit a snag. Shane McMahon wins the Hardcore Title in May 2007 but doesn't wrestle another match until 2009. Should I strip him of the belt, imposing a "30 day rule" of not defending the title, or should I let him keep it all the way to No Way Out '09 when Orton defeats him?

From: JaKyL25 | #117
To be the Hardcore Man you gotta beat the Hardcore Man. No self-promotions!

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To be the Hardcore Man you gotta beat the Hardcore Man.

Dang, my quoting of Jakyl was Jakyl'd

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I can kinda smell where this is going though

If Orton wins it from Shane, then it very likely is about to get caught up in the WWE Title lineage, and then just like the Man Championship, Del Rio will lose it to Show to get it to swap brands and then it'll end up on Bryan.

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I don't know if I want to be as strict as The Man Championship rules are. Otherwise, The Blue Meanie takes the Hardcore Championship to 1PW and I have to do more research to see if matches were determined by a pinfall or submission

Edit: Just to add, is there really anything wrong with DB winning another championship

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What!? How did that happen?

Now that you talk about it switching promotions though, I feel like I remember somebody on Other Feds mentioning at one point that the Phantom Hardcore Championship has somehow made its way to TNA.

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JBL loses the title to The Blue Meanie in the summer of 2005, and in his last match with the company (GAB), he loses in a 6-man tag but doesn't take the pinfall, so he still retains the title.

Then he gets released and goes to 1PW for awhile

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See I don't know if I should try to follow the reign through smalltime indy promotions, but I would definitely count the lineage if it ended up in TNA

I guess I can do two scenarios where I try to follow The Blue Meanie to present day as well as continuing from Shane -> Orton

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Speaking of The Man Championship

http://themanchampionship.tumblr.com/post/18813689072/a-detailed-title-lineage-30-alberto-del-rio-2

Trying to do an "A Detailed Title Lineage" once every weekday. We'll see how that goes.

Anyway, for the Phantom Hardcore Championship, I think it should change hands when and only when the champion is pinned in a match. And it should apply to every match, unlike The Man Championship which only changes hands in one-on-one matches.

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But the title could change hands in multi-man matches if the champ didn't get pinned. I don't see why it would be different here.

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It could change hands in multi-man matches if said matches were explicitly for the Hardcore Championship, right? I don't think, for instance, if Hardcore Holly was in a number one contender's match for the WWF Championship, and Triple H pinned Kurt Angle in said match, that Triple H would be the new Hardcore Champion. I don't know if there was ever a situation like that, though.

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Well no, but its hard to say whether a match would be for the title or not in this situation.

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From: Maniac64 | #129
Well no, but its hard to say whether a match would be for the title or not in this situation.

What I'm saying is I think it's best to assume that any match that wasn't said to be for the Hardcore Championship (meaning all of them since the title's retirement) was not for the title, and that the only way for it to change hands is by beating the champion. That's just my view on it, though. If you're going to go through the trouble of tracing and assembling the lineage, it should ultimately be up to you.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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The best thing.

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Also I seem to remember RVD being Hardcore Champion in the main event of SvS 2001. He was pinned (obviously) but retained his title, so

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Alright here it is, the Hardcore Title Lineage through present day. I'm adding the rule that it can change hands in any type of match as long as it's not a countout or DQ, and the champ must be the one pinned or submitted. One exception: While I am including battle royals, I am NOT counting the Royal Rumble in title defenses.

Rob Van Dam (4x)
Chris Jericho (2x)
Kane (2x)
Triple H
Kane (3x)
Shawn Michaels
Triple H (2x)
Booker T (3x)
Triple H (3x)
Booker T (4x)
Christian (2x)
Goldust (8x)
Stevie Richards (22x)
Kevin Nash
Chris Jericho (3x)
Triple H (4x)
Goldberg
Triple H (5x)
Shawn Michaels (2x)
Randy Orton
Shawn Michaels (3x)
Chris Benoit
Kane (4x)
Chris Benoit (2x)
Triple H (6x)
Chris Benoit (3x)
Randy Orton (2x)
Triple H (7x)
Edge
Randy Orton (3x)
Triple H (8x)
Randy Orton (4x)
The Undertaker (2x)
JBL (18x)
The Blue Meanie

Here's where I'll split the lineage. I'll do the easier one first, with Blue Meanie being stripped of the championship due to being fired and not going to TNA afterward. In this case the match for the vacant championship is the first match the previous titleholder is involved in following Meanie's last match. In this case it's JBL vs. Undertaker on a Smackdown taping in July 2005.

JBL (19x)
Batista
Joey Mercury
Kurt Angle
Shawn Michaels (4x)
Shane McMahon (2x)
Bobby Lashley
Shane McMahon (3x)
Randy Orton (5x)
Triple H (9x)
Randy Orton (6x)
Batista (2x)
Rey Mysterio
Batista (3x)
The Undertaker (3x)
Chris Jericho (4x)
Jack Swagger
Randy Orton (7x)
Jack Swagger (2x)
Kofi Kingston
Rey Mysterio (2x)
Kane (5x)
Randy Orton (8x)
Wade Barrett
Randy Orton (9x)
The Miz
Jerry Lawler
The Miz (2x)
John Cena
CM Punk
Alberto Del Rio
John Cena (2x)
Alberto Del Rio (2x)
The Big Show
Daniel Bryan (YES! YES! YES!)


JaKyL is spot-on: Daniel Bryan holds yet another championship! Triple H and Orton hogging the belt as usual with 9 reigns each, all of those coming after the actual title's retirement.

Even with the added lineage, Raven's record of holding the belt 26 times is untouched. However, the longest reign goes to Shane McMahon. Even if I didn't count his near two year hiatus, he still holds the longest reign at just over a year before Lashley finally ends it.

I'll need more time to trace the lineage if I allow The Blue Meanie to keep the championship, but that should be pretty interesting

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So...

Daniel Bryan is the unified hardcore, man and world heavyweight champion

...I like this.

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Has anyone tried the Cruiserweight/Lightheavyweight title yet?

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It's amazing how all roads cross through the Summer of Punk II, and from there to Bryan.

Clearly it's destiny.

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Daniel Bryan will then leave the WWE and bring all those titles over and put them on the line in a match against Takayama.

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I think the problem with the Cruiser/Lightheavyweight title is that it, even if we give it a 24/7 rule, it's gonna end up on nothing but Middleweights and Heavyweights. Unless we add a weight limit, but then it probably doesn't even end up with any possible way on TV after a while, or gets stuck on Rey Mysterio forever.

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i remember way back in SDvsR2005 or something, we gave the Cruiserweight Title to HBK and he could never lose it

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From: Rad Link 5 | #142
I think the problem with the Cruiser/Lightheavyweight title is that it, even if we give it a 24/7 rule, it's gonna end up on nothing but Middleweights and Heavyweights. Unless we add a weight limit, but then it probably doesn't even end up with any possible way on TV after a while, or gets stuck on Rey Mysterio forever.

Which makes it all the better when Sin Cara retires him~

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Well, no, the problem with the Cruiserweight title is that Hornswoggle retired it.

Has ANYONE pinned Hornswoggle since then?

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JaKyL25 posted...
Well, no, the problem with the Cruiserweight title is that Hornswoggle retired it.

Has ANYONE pinned Hornswoggle since then?

Cody or Dibiase in that tag match with Swoggle/Henry?

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King Of The Ring 2008 Quarter Final: William Regal defeats Hornswoggle (0:14)

That's the first loss I can find for him outside of DQ after winning the title, but I don't actually remember the circumstances of that match.

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hell yeah! Regal for CW champ!

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Regal has lost to a million people since.

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But he was CW champ for a time!

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