Board 8 > Mass Effect topic - An end, once and for all.

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Jeff Zero
03/18/12 11:07:00 PM
#101:


My right thumb got badly fractured when I was eleven so button-mashing of any kind is irritating to me

But as big a Mass Effect fan as I am, I will openly concede that the microwave scene is a top fifteen gaming moment for me whereas Shepard's walk feels like more of a standard-issue experience

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Jeff Zero
03/18/12 11:08:00 PM
#102:


Dem Spoilerz




I know for starters you have to pick the Reputation-based responses with TIM in your three previous encounters with him. Beyond that I'm unsure. I've heard conflicting reports on the matter.

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ShadowHalo17
03/18/12 11:09:00 PM
#103:


From: iiicon | #100
Maybe it's based on reputation?


I should have like the best reputation. But then again there is like two Citadel side scanning missions I missed.

But also... spoilers again!




I can't actually remember about my first playthrough. I really thought I had that last Renegade/Paragon option but the way it just played out with the regular dialogue choices was about the same as I remembered. Is there really any difference? Damn. I really don't remember at all. Regardless I doubt it even matters much because the ending will still be the same bull s*** as always.

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Jeff Zero
03/18/12 11:10:00 PM
#104:


Spoilers




You'll have to use a Renegade Interrupt to shoot The Illusive Man if you don't have a Paragon/Renegade string of dialogue options to use on him. Otherwise he'll kill you.

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ShadowHalo17
03/18/12 11:12:00 PM
#105:


From: Jeff Zero | #101
My right thumb got badly fractured when I was eleven so button-mashing of any kind is irritating to me

But as big a Mass Effect fan as I am, I will openly concede that the microwave scene is a top fifteen gaming moment for me whereas Shepard's walk feels like more of a standard-issue experience


I respect you a great deal for this!

The microwave scene in MGS4 was absolutely amazing. Even me, with my pro thumb skills, was annoying by the button mashing. But at the same time it actually got me more invested. Like I was seriously mashing triangle and yelling at Snake to keep going. I've never been that involved with a game before. It's annoying, yeah, but at the same time it's a great mechanic overall.

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ShadowHalo17
03/18/12 11:13:00 PM
#106:


From: Jeff Zero | #104
Spoilers




You'll have to use a Renegade Interrupt to shoot The Illusive Man if you don't have a Paragon/Renegade string of dialogue options to use on him. Otherwise he'll kill you.


No s***? I hit the Renegade interrupt, obviously. If he kills you is it just a game over?

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Jeff Zero
03/18/12 11:13:00 PM
#107:


As far as I'm aware, yeah

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ShadowHalo17
03/18/12 11:14:00 PM
#108:


Interesting.

More spoilers I guess?




F*** that stupid f***ing kid god damn I hate him so much.

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Jeff Zero
03/18/12 11:14:00 PM
#109:


Haha, I hear you on the microwave scene Halo. For me I stop caring about the pain my previously-fractured thumb is experiencing. I end up sharing the pain with Snake, maybe. Yeah, there's a nerdy fanfiction.net kinda statement if ever there were one, but there you have it. Lmao.

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ShadowHalo17
03/18/12 11:16:00 PM
#110:


MORE SPOILERS




You will die, but you will control us even though you will lose everything.

HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY F***ING SENSE?!

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Jeff Zero
03/18/12 11:17:00 PM
#111:


Yo brain be like... a Reaper and so you lose yo s*** and yo frandz be like 'word, what it is' but you be like... you be way, like... way above 'em and s***

Like... you be like... you be trippin' star clusters and s***

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ShadowHalo17
03/18/12 11:20:00 PM
#112:


Oh my god MORE SPOILERS? Yup. More spoilers. I'm on a rant here:



So destroy is the Renegade route? The hell? That means control is the Paragon route. That seems backwards to me. But then why the hell am I even concerned because THIS WHOLE GOD DAMN ENDING IS F***ING STUPID AS F***.

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Jeff Zero
03/18/12 11:21:00 PM
#113:


I'm pretty convinced they switched those around just to mess with your head. Well that and...


Spoilers




You're kind of an ass if you pick Destroy because it dooms the geth and EDI

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ShadowHalo17
03/18/12 11:22:00 PM
#114:


From: Jeff Zero | #113
I'm pretty convinced they switched those around just to mess with your head. Well that and...


Spoilers




You're kind of an ass if you pick Destroy because it dooms the geth and EDI


But you're kind of an ass if you pick control because that's what the Illusive Man, an obvious "Renegade" was aiming for in the first place.

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Jeff Zero
03/18/12 11:23:00 PM
#115:


Yeah, of course. I'm not really... defending, just... trying to make sense

Spoilers



Starchild or Godchild or whatever we're calling him this week, he says The Illusive Man was technically right that the Reapers could be controlled but it would never have worked for him because he was under their control. Trollolol

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ShadowHalo17
03/18/12 11:23:00 PM
#116:


That ending still pissed me off, but whatever, I got my two Insanity related trophies. Now I just need the Overload specialist and I get my mother f***in' Platinum baby, aww yeah!

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ShadowHalo17
03/18/12 11:25:00 PM
#117:


From: Jeff Zero | #115
Yeah, of course. I'm not really... defending, just... trying to make sense

Spoilers



Starchild or Godchild or whatever we're calling him this week, he says The Illusive Man was technically right that the Reapers could be controlled but it would never have worked for him because he was under their control. Trollolol


That's just another thing that pisses me off.

Really I can't even go on and on about why because no matter what that whole f***ing segment pisses me off. That stupid dead child should have just been that, a stupid dead child. He never had any right to invade my dreams and then, even worse, turn out to be a horrible terrible travesty of a plot device that made no sense.

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ShadowHalo17
03/18/12 11:35:00 PM
#118:


OH WAIT, hold the phone here.


I didn't even see Morinth. Wasn't she supposed to just lacklusterly show up as a Banshee? I had no such thing. Regardless, that's just really freakin' lazy. You don't even get to see her at all. Which makes it pretty much pointless to save her instead of Samara.

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ShadowHalo17
03/18/12 11:40:00 PM
#119:


DAMMIT. I need to go back to ME2 in order to make a Paragon file to carry over to ME3. Can't believe I didn't have enough foresight to do this before now!

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PartOfYourWorld
03/18/12 11:41:00 PM
#120:


SPOILERS

Vent boy at the end did make me groan, but I didn't mind him at all haunting Shepard's dreams. I had already loved Shep before, but ME3 brought me much, much closer to the character. Bioware did an excellent job in establishing the tremendous stress Shep was under and the toll it was taking on him/her.


Also, seeing as how you're in a ranting mood, here's one from ME to YOU

WHY IN THE HELL DID YOU NOT PUT SPOILER TAGS IN THE TOPIC TITLE. Did you want to bring new fans in here? Maybe have a drink with non-fans who don't need to worry about getting spoiled? Half - GODDAMN HALF - of my active posts are plastered with SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS at the top thanks to this topic. Just throw them up there next time for the love of Marauder Shields.

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ShadowHalo17
03/18/12 11:57:00 PM
#121:


XD

No but I knew that at least one of us (TheRock) hasn't beaten the game yet. And I just wanted this to be a general Mass Effect topic. Rock (and whoever else that's silly enough to have not already beaten the game) should feel welcome and be able to discuss his progress in here WITHOUT being spoiled. So yeah, we have to make a lot of spoiler tags for our posts. But it's for the greater good I guess?

Either way.

Get over it

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TheRock1525
03/19/12 12:35:00 AM
#122:


Oh sure, blame the black guy.

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ShadowHalo17
03/19/12 12:39:00 AM
#123:


Who wouldn't blame the black guy?

</racist Halo>

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ShadowHalo17
03/19/12 12:41:00 AM
#124:


From: TheRock1525 | #122
Oh sure, blame the black guy.


Wait.

You're not black.

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TheRock1525
03/19/12 12:47:00 AM
#125:


Just got caught between a Keeper and two NPCs standing there.

Couldn't move.

Thought I was going to have to revert to an old save. Luckily I spazzed my Shepard out enough to get free.

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ShadowHalo17
03/19/12 12:53:00 AM
#126:


From: TheRock1525 | #125
Just got caught between a Keeper and two NPCs standing there.


Freakin' Keepers.

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ShadowHalo17
03/19/12 1:22:00 AM
#127:


So yeah. I have to go back to ME2 and make a preferable Paragon playthrough. I think I'll start that now, but it's late, so I doubt I'll get very far before I pass out.

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JonthePenguin
03/19/12 5:23:00 AM
#128:


I, too, haven't beaten the game yet, though I suspect I'm getting close (just got back from Thessia).

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CorporalSphynx
03/19/12 8:10:00 AM
#129:


Yeah, you're pretty close Jon.

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Nevest
03/19/12 11:51:00 AM
#130:


About to get on and play a bit of mp on 360.

GT: Serevarno if anyone wants to join up. If I end up w/ a clan group w/ my guys from CoD, I usually stick with them though....just a heads up in case anyone thinks I'm ignoring them.

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futuresuperstar
03/19/12 4:20:00 PM
#131:


Anybody want to play some ME3 MP on PS3?

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Jeff Zero
03/19/12 4:22:00 PM
#132:


PTSD asari at Huerta Memorial Hospital the best

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ShadowHalo17
03/19/12 4:35:00 PM
#133:


God dammit I keep trying to roll in ME2.

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Jeff Zero
03/19/12 4:37:00 PM
#134:


ShadowHalo17 posted...
God dammit I keep trying to roll in ME2.

Every time my girlfriend took damage on ME2 Insanity earlier I wanted to yell at her to roll >_<

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TheRock1525
03/19/12 4:38:00 PM
#135:


Vega and Garrus were having a dick-measuring contest in the commons (not literally).

Some of the most hilarious snark in a BioWare game, especially from (surprisingly enough) Vega.

And hell, I even enjoyed hanging out with Kaiden!

Kudos to you, BioWare, for making a cast that there's not a single member I don't enjoy (except Liara, but she's at least tolerable now).

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Jeff Zero
03/19/12 4:42:00 PM
#136:


Hmm... ME3 cast ranking time IMO

Shepard (so good this game) > Garrus (so much more dialogue, all of it above-average) > EDI (so good) > Javik (excellent renegade-flavored banter balances out my general paragon leanings) > Tali (pretty good) > Liara (her arc throughout the series paints her as better with each game) > Vega > Kaidan.

None of which are bad.

Neither of my current files have Ash alive so I'll judge her later!

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futuresuperstar
03/19/12 4:44:00 PM
#137:


Mordin and Garrus are easily the two best characters in the games. Hot damn.

Also, I made "Herp Derp Shepard" last night. I'll speed run him through ME2 and get everybody killed but Jack and Samara (whom I can deal with in ME3 =o). He's a Paragon, but never any interrupts or persuasion. When I get to ME3, I'll redo his face as best I can (ME2 has such limited design compared to 3, now!), and then post the code.

His adventures will be glorious.

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Jeff Zero
03/19/12 4:44:00 PM
#138:


Oh, I was only counting squadmates. If I bring non-squadmates into it Legion and Mordin are up there with Shepard and Garrus fo sho.

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futuresuperstar
03/19/12 4:46:00 PM
#139:


Jeff Zero posted...
Oh, I was only counting squadmates. If I bring non-squadmates into it Legion and Mordin are up there with Shepard and Garrus fo sho.

Hmm... just ranking the playable squadmates in ME3, I'd go...

Garrus > Tali > EDI > Javik > Liara > James > Kaiden/Ash

Did I miss anybody?

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Jeff Zero
03/19/12 4:48:00 PM
#140:


I don't think so! And that's a very respectable ranking if I do say so myself!

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ShadowHalo17
03/19/12 4:53:00 PM
#141:


I can't choose between Garrus and Tali. Since Garrus is the best war bro ever, but I love Tali and the romance dialogue with her in this game is so good.

So they're about even. Otherwise EDI is pretty great. Vega is actually not as bad as I originally thought, but Liara is still pretty boring (she never freakin' has anything interesting to say). Kaidan's gay vibes came out of nowhere and disturbed me, so I didn't even allow him back on my ship. Ashley is surprisingly much less annoying and I actually prefer her over Kaidan now. Never thought that would happen. She's still terrible, but you really can't win with either of those options at all. Her voice at least isn't as annoying as Kaidan's and she's also somewhat hot in this game. So she's not an eyesore.

Oh and I obviously can't say anything for Javik since I don't have him.

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Jeff Zero
03/19/12 4:56:00 PM
#142:


I'm not real big on Raphael Sbarge's acting for Kaidan in this game. I actually prefer his rendition from ME1. He sounds very much like himself in ME3, which simply doesn't jive very well with the performance he had in the first game. Lots of very 'human' pauses and low-level near-mumbling just doesn't translate so well into gaming IMO.

Still, he and Kimberly Brooks (Ash's VA) are actually two of the coolest people involved in the trilogy, regardless of one might think about their respective characters. They've spoken with the fans a hundred times or more and they even recorded un-voiced ME2 stuff for modders to implement into the PC version. (The romance letter post-Horizon)

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LeonhartFour
03/19/12 4:57:00 PM
#143:


Tali > Garrus > Liara > EDI > Javik > Vega > Ashley/Kaidan

Liara got so much better in ME3. Romance arc with Shepard is really nice, too.

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TheRock1525
03/19/12 4:57:00 PM
#144:


My rankings have changed a little bit I think but here's what they are since Tali's return:

Javik > Garrus > EDI > Tali > Vega > Kaiden > Liara

Also, my FemShep asked when Vega was going to make good on his flirting and he just stammered nervously.

I'm getting shot down left and right in this game!

Also, bummed he got a tattoo and I couldn't.

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Jeff Zero
03/19/12 4:58:00 PM
#145:


Liara went from middling (by BioWare standards, which IMO means 'above-average' for most other game developers) in ME1 and ME2 vanilla to impressing me left and right with LOTSB. ME3 simply follows that trend as far as I'm concerned. Takes what made her so good in LOTSB and continues it.

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ShadowHalo17
03/19/12 4:59:00 PM
#146:


From: Jeff Zero | #142
Still, he and Kimberly Brooks (Ash's VA) are actually two of the coolest people involved in the trilogy, regardless of one might think about their respective characters. They've spoken with the fans a hundred times or more and they even recorded un-voiced ME2 stuff for modders to implement into the PC version. (The romance letter post-Horizon)


That is pretty cool, but I never liked Kaidan's VA. His voice annoyed me when he was Carth, and now he's even more annoying as Carth 2.0.

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ShadowHalo17
03/19/12 5:01:00 PM
#147:


From: Jeff Zero | #145
Liara went from middling (by BioWare standards, which IMO means 'above-average' for most other game developers) in ME1 and ME2 vanilla to impressing me left and right with LOTSB. ME3 simply follows that trend as far as I'm concerned. Takes what made her so good in LOTSB and continues it.


How so? I don't even think she was all that impressive in LotSB, but she was still better. Seems she dialed it down in the third game. She just... doesn't do much. She's pretty boring.

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ShadowHalo17
03/19/12 5:03:00 PM
#148:


You know I think Miranda may honestly be the worst character in the series. Even worse than Kaidan/Ashley. She's such a damn b****.

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Jeff Zero
03/19/12 5:05:00 PM
#149:


I just liked the newfound 'bite' Liara had with LOTSB. Her character came across as more believable to me because she let a desire for revenge cloud her judgment a few times but in a non-annoying kind of way. In ME1 she was very much 'the scientist', which as a bit of a historian and archaeologist amateur myself is generally intriguing but it didn't do all that much for me; she just felt convinced Shepard was interested in her romantically and well... my Shepards aren't, lawl.

ME2 pre-LOTSB, Liara still isn't all that great to me because the writing seems a bit over-the-top dark-side. (I've read the "Redemption" comic and she even starts out there as rather abruptly vicious, it just wasn't handled as well as it could have been.)

LOTSB Liara works for me though. There's enough of the old Liara back there and the vengeful nature is much better-written.

As for ME3... I kind of rescind what I said, she was at her prime in Lair. You're right, she doesn't really do much. I think there's a lot more going on if you romance her though. I'll have to watch esurio's file as she starts it later tonight to see what happens there.

Thessia Liara is great though, mainly if you bring Javik with you.

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Jeff Zero
03/19/12 5:05:00 PM
#150:


ShadowHalo17 posted...
You know I think Miranda may honestly be the worst character in the series. Even worse than Kaidan/Ashley. She's such a damn b****.

*shrugs* I like her.

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