Board 8 > F*** Devil Survivor 2's idea of difficulty.

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Instead of just making the enemies more difficult, it looks like they decided to go the route of adding way more respawning enemies and enemies with Evil Wave, in addition to jacking up the boss range. When my character can only move 4 spaces in one turn and the boss can attack me from 6 spaces away with no repercussions, there's a problem.

It's not even really hard, it's just annoying as hell and not fun at all.

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Not surprising. When a game betrays you, take it to ebay.

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devil speed and/or chaos wave in your party

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Chaos Wave doesn't help. It takes away your extra turns, decreases your movement speed, and reduces your turn order ranking. That's because being able to attack for free from far away in a game like Devil Survivor is broken as hell and needs to be balanced somehow.

In the meantime, a boss just attacked my main character three times in a row from 4 spaces away before he could move once. FUN GAMEPLAY

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do you need to have played the first devil survivor to understand the second y/n

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No. The first game is much better, though.

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Just sayin', if it's not fun why are you still playing it?

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Because when it's not turning on Fake Difficulty, it's pretty fun.

This particular boss fight has just been completely terrible though (Mizar). It's not broken but it's the antithesis of fun.

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

A couple of Devil Survivor 1 bosses were broken as f***, too. I'm still only on day 3 of DS2, so I have yet to see the real BS fights.

That said, I recall reaching a breaking point in DS where the bosses became so ridiculously overpowered that the only way to continue was to become overpowered myself. The last day was first spent struggling through fight after fight, only for the final few bosses to be total pushovers.

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So you would recommend I get overlocked instead of 2?

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DS1 bosses were broken, but in way more fun ways. They were just tough. DS2 bosses are "I'm a boss with a beefed up Chaos Wave with no penalties, whenever you damage me I spawn more parts of me with more Chaos Waves that will continue to attack your characters repeatedly while you sit around and do nothing"

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Justin_Crossing posted...
So you would recommend I get overlocked instead of 2?

Reasons to get DS1 over DS2:
-Better story
-Better characters
-Better sense of tension
-Better designed levels and enemies
-Better art

Reasons to get DS2 over DS1:
-Demon Compendium
-Midori

And then Overclocked went and included the Demon Compendium. And voice acting.

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How long does Overclocked take? (if you haven't noticed I am considering buying it)

I'm going on a trip :O

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Black Turtle still didn't MAJORA'S MASK

Depends. I know what I'm doing and DS2 looks like it'll take about 25 hours for me, so...30?

It's not long for a SMT game. There's no filler.

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-Midori

i am sorry good sir but you seemed to have placed this in the wrong category

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anyone who likes Midori should feel bad

Two more things I forgot:

-Overclocked's voice acting has gotten pretty mixed review but if you don't like it it can be turned off.
-DS1 has the weirdest random battle music ever.

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I'm liking DS2 a lot more than the first so far and I really liked that too. I haven't been having any difficulty problems and I'm up to Day 6.

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There's a difference between difficulty and fake difficulty - a very important one. DS2 is either 'not hard' or 'fake difficulty'.

Aside from that, I enjoyed basically everything in DS1 more anyway!

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Do these require a lot of grinding? I've played through Persona 3 and was able to finish it but I've yet to finish Strange Journey, I was probably about 70% through when I hit a massive boss wall.

SMT games tend to do that. DS1 has a big difficulty spike near the end but it wasn't anything I couldn't handle without a little preparation. Different people have different standards for difficulty so I'm not sure what it would be like for you.

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From: Justin_Crossing | #013
How long does Overclocked take? (if you haven't noticed I am considering buying it)

I'm going on a trip :O

To beat it? Probably around 25-30 hours. It's pretty long.
To complete it? Took me 107 hours on my save file to finish, though my 3DS says 125 hours.

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Hey now Joe is a very important reason to get 2 over 1

I don't like using him in my party but damn if I don't try to talk to him at any opportunity

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I didn't like Joe at all in the beginning of the game but he grew on me.

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Oh yeah if you do EVERYTHING in Devil Survivor it could take a while, but there's no need to.

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From: KamikazePotato | #024
Oh yeah if you do EVERYTHING in Devil Survivor it could take a while, but there's no need to.

It wasn't that difficult.

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From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 3/24/2012 6:44:17 PM | #008
This particular boss fight has just been completely terrible though (Mizar). It's not broken but it's the antithesis of fun.

I'm on the fight after Mizar and I'm finding it more annoying

Mizar was kind of bad though yeah. DS1 is a lot better thus far

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KamikazePotato posted...
I didn't like Joe at all in the beginning of the game but he grew on me.

I didn't like him during like..the first encounter with him, but god damn he's great

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That first encounter left a really bad impression on me. Took me a while to come around, but he's pretty cool now.

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

By the way, anyone else think that Daichi is kind of bad? It's especially egregious after coming off of Junpei/Yosuke/Atsuro. Does he really need to act like Shaggy from Scooby-Doo after beating several godlike monsters?

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that's because you're thinking daichi is the atsuro of this game. he isn't. he's the yuzu.

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Think of him as yuzu etc rather than atsuro etc. and Io as the atsuro etc

Stat distribution be damned

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Yeah that's true. Io has been pretty good all things considered. She's a little too Collette-like but she's also proactive in the story so I can't really complain.

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

ALSO Yuzu was a better character than Daichi. Her role was handled way, way more gracefully. Daichi is just nonstop "RUH ROH GANG, LET'S GET OUT OF HERE!" To normal demons. Over halfway through the game.

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Devil Survivor 2 was ridiculously easy compared to the first game. Most of the Septentriones go down pretty quick compared to the Bels, and six range is simple to deal with; giving one of them a free shot isn't the end of the world. There's no fight in DS2 that's nearly as full of bulls*** as the fight with Jezebel, for instance.

Also, the characters in DS2 are pretty much superior. There's a couple of lame characters like Keita and Ronaldo, sure, but then you have winners like Jungo and Joe that completely blow the first game's cast out of the water, especially since the Fate system lets you get to know them better.

The only thing I'd agree that the first game did better was the atmosphere; even though the world was in less danger in the first game, it felt more dangerous thanks to actually having to focus on survival rather than joining a super demon-fighting organization.

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Agreed. Pretty much all of the difficulty in the game comes from the fact that all the bosses after day 3 have HUGE range. Getting nuked without even being able to cast a Shield All spell sucks. I know I was pissed as hell when, even a bit overleveled based on the limit more or less placed on your ability to level with the final free battle demons levels, I got to the 3rd phase of the final boss and one of the enemies nukes me with Multi-strike and 1 shots each of my parties. Had to fuse reflect/null/drain phys onto a bunch of demons and match them with leaders with phys null/drain/reflect to avoid just getting insta-nuked.

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I never had any real trouble with the Septentriones (or whatever). With the boss battles in this game, it kind of falls down to what resistances and skills your teams have. Of course, you can't exactly know what attacks the bosses will use before you fight them, but so long as you have well rounded offenses/defenses, you shouldn't have too much trouble surviving a few hits.

And don't be shy about upgrading your demons whenever possible.

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DS1's cast is way better than DS2's cast. DS2's cast is so anime-cliche that it's insane. They basically assigned a stereotype to almost everyone and called it a day. DS1's cast felt way more like actual people.

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My party obliterates anything they can actually fight. Getting repeatedly attacked from far away just isn't fun. I could beat it, I just don't want to deal with it. DS1's difficulty was more difficult while also being way more fun.

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

That said, I'm having quite a bit more trouble with some of the fights on Day 7. I'm doing AO's route, and one of the enemies was really ridiculous at first. I still beat her, but I was not prepared for the ass whooping she was going to give me. My MC's team went down in a single skirmish. >_>

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From: KamikazePotato | #039
My party obliterates anything they can actually fight. Getting repeatedly attacked from far away just isn't fun. I could beat it, I just don't want to deal with it. DS1's difficulty was more difficult while also being way more fun.

I feel it's worth noting that DS2 doesn't have all those annoying rescue/escort missions like DS1 had. And the times you do need to keep AI characters alive, they're generally more competent and sturdy, with more healing spells.

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The cast of DS1 isn't too great, but it's not bad. I can't say I like any character from it more than the DS2 characters I like. I feel like DS2 did a much better job of actually letting you spend time with the characters and get to know them.

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I don't recall ever having trouble with a rescue/escort mission in DS1. Most of those basically boiled down to ignoring the NPCs and killing the enemy fast, which is what I would've done anyway.

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

DS2 does a good job at letting you get to know the characters, but honestly, that doesn't help when I don't really want to know any of them to begin with. DS1's cast was brought together by the situation. DS2's cast is just sort of...there.

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

I also liked how DS2 actually let you use all of the cool characters you met over the course of the game, instead of waiting for the last day and suddenly pouring them all over you. I did not like having to use Yuzu and her useless, 3-move ass all the way until Day 7.

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KamikazePotato posted...
DS2 does a good job at letting you get to know the characters, but honestly, that doesn't help when I don't really want to know any of them to begin with.

I kind of felt the same way about DS1. I didn't really care to get to know much of anybody in the game. My favorite characters in it weren't even playable >_>

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I liked basically every likable character in DS1 more than anyone in DS2. DS2...they just did a really bad job at writing them believably. Everyone is pure anime cliche. Midori would've been right at home in DS2.

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I feel they both have around the same amount of "anime cliche", but it sticks out less in DS1 due to the more tense/serious tone everybody has most of the game. That kind of thing doesn't bother me in general though. I'm not sure what it is about DS2's cast, but I like them more overall. Both still have a few characters I don't care about at all though. Man I really wish Haru was playable in DS1. Izuna too, but she might have been or been an assist on a map. I can't remember.

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I prefer the atmosphere of DS1, but prefer pretty much everything else in DS2, especially the characters. I do think the massive range of bosses is lame though, if it wasn't for that I wouldn't really mind them.

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Well let me rephrase what I said then; DS1 did its cliches a lot better. The characters felt like people. They were archetypes of characters, not stereotypes. DS2 is basically nothing but stereotypes. Off the top of my head, the only well-written characters with any sort of development or depth to them are Makoto and maybe Yamato. I'm not interested in what ends up happening to any of them, honestly.

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