A year ago, I led this board on an inspirational crusade to stop the rampant racism that stained our home. We all vowed to stop being racist, and since that day we have become a shining example of progress and tolerance when it comes to racial attitudes.
There is another area, however, that we are falling behind in. That is the area of religious discrimination. Board 8 is a place where atheism is the dominant religion. That is perfectly fine. However, I have noticed over the past year that theists are often times the victims of bullying and discrimination by the majority of the board. They are forced to keep their views and beliefs to themselves out of fear of being mocked and ridiculed.
That is not acceptable on my board.
We are a place where anyone of any race, gender, class, or belief can come and post freely. In the past year, you all showed that you support that notion and will fight to uphold it. Tonight, I ask you to do that one more time. Please sign this pledge to end religious discrimination on Board 8:
I, _______, hereby pledge to not discriminate against other users based on their religious beliefs. I will respect all faiths regardless of if they agree with mine or not. I will treat each person equally, and will not post in a manner that forces another user to feel uncomfortable about their religion.
Thank you, again.
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I, AlecTrevelyan006, hereby pledge to not discriminate against other users based on their religious beliefs. I will respect all faiths regardless of if they agree with mine or not. I will treat each person equally, and will not post in a manner that forces another user to feel uncomfortable about their religion.
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finally sess, master of progress, is ready to help our board advance just a little bit more and become better and more tolerant human beings
I, saveus_Maria, hereby pledge to not discriminate against other users based on their religious beliefs. I will respect all faiths regardless of if they agree with mine or not. I will treat each person equally, and will not post in a manner that forces another user to feel uncomfortable about their religion.
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I, Sess AKA i am the game AKA MRNICEWATCH, hereby pledge to not discriminate against other users based on their religious beliefs. I will respect all faiths regardless of if they agree with mine or not. I will treat each person equally, and will not post in a manner that forces another user to feel uncomfortable about their religion.
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I, Sir Chris, hereby pledge to not discriminate against other users based on their religious beliefs. I will respect all faiths regardless of if they agree with mine or not. I will treat each person equally, and will not post in a manner that forces another user to feel uncomfortable about their religion.
As an Atheist I cannot stand when people who believe in the same rough outline I do (read: kind of nothing) are hateful towards others while they have the audacity to bring up other religion's pasts as if what they do is any different from them. People are not defined by their religion, but how they conduct themselves when among their equals and their lesser. Great topic, Sess.
I, Trout Jefferson, hereby pledge to not discriminate against other users based on their religious beliefs. I will respect all faiths regardless of if they agree with mine or not. I will treat each person equally, and will not post in a manner that forces another user to feel uncomfortable about their religion.
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I, Han, hereby pledge to not discriminate against other users based on their religious beliefs. I will respect all faiths regardless of if they agree with mine or not. I will treat each person equally, and will not post in a manner that forces another user to feel uncomfortable about their religion.
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mnkboy907 posted... From: MRNlCEWATCH | #008 Then leave the board. Sorry that we are too tolerant for you. Kicking me out seems very intolerant of you.
No, it seems intolerant to YOU, who knows nothing of tolerance.
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Every idea is to be treated with absolute equal weight regardless of what bearing they might have on reality?
This is what you want to call tolerance? o_O
Sounds like you are closing the doors to thought and free exchange of ideas. If one's religion or lack thereof is never allowed to be questioned or placed in doubt , how can that person reasonably expect to grow as an individual?
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SovietOmega posted... Every idea is to be treated with absolute equal weight regardless of what bearing they might have on reality?
This is what you want to call tolerance? o_O
Sounds like you are closing the doors to thought and free exchange of ideas. If one's religion or lack thereof is never allowed to be questioned or placed in doubt , how can that person reasonably expect to grow as an individual?
Uh, no. I'm closing the door on intolerance and hatred. I'm sorry that this is so terrible for you. My apologies for removing your vehicle for belittling others.
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From: SovietOmega | #013 Every idea is to be treated with absolute equal weight regardless of what bearing they might have on reality?
This is what you want to call tolerance? o_O
Sounds like you are closing the doors to thought and free exchange of ideas. If one's religion or lack thereof is never allowed to be questioned or placed in doubt , how can that person reasonably expect to grow as an individual?
He did not say that we can not discuss religion, he merely says that we must respect and tolerate the opinions of others, even if we do not agree with them. There is no need to judge people based on their feelings of the unknown, and you can have a discussion without making people feel threatened.
Sess wants us to be able to exchange ideas. In fact, he wants to increase the exchange of ideas by offering a safe and open environment where everybody can feel safe joining the discussion, rather than constantly fearing judgment and attack.
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I don't know if its depressing, funny, or down right disturbing that people like you cannot sign a pledge that simply asks you not to discriminate against others.
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AlecTrevelyan006 posted... From: SovietOmega | #013 Every idea is to be treated with absolute equal weight regardless of what bearing they might have on reality?
This is what you want to call tolerance? o_O
Sounds like you are closing the doors to thought and free exchange of ideas. If one's religion or lack thereof is never allowed to be questioned or placed in doubt , how can that person reasonably expect to grow as an individual? He did not say that we can not discuss religion, he merely says that we must respect and tolerate the opinions of others, even if we do not agree with them. There is no need to judge people based on their feelings of the unknown, and you can have a discussion without making people feel threatened.
Sess wants us to be able to exchange ideas. In fact, he wants to increase the exchange of ideas by offering a safe and open environment where everybody can feel safe joining the discussion, rather than constantly fearing judgment and attack.
Well said Alec. Thank you stating the truth so eloquently.
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MRNlCEWATCH posted... I don't know if its depressing, funny, or down right disturbing that people like you cannot sign a pledge that simply asks you not to discriminate against others.
I don't know if its depressing, funny, or down right disturbing that people like you need to sign a pledge that involves a principle any self respecting human being would naturally follow anyway.
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I,Tom Bombadil, hereby pledge to not discriminate against other users based on their religious beliefs. I will respect all faiths regardless of if they agree with mine or not. I will treat each person equally, and will not post in a manner that forces another user to feel uncomfortable about their religion.
Although really I think we're already a bit ahead of the curve on that, with a few exceptions.
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I, Forceful Dragon, hereby pledge to not discriminate against other users based on their religious beliefs. I will respect all faiths regardless of if they agree with mine or not. I will treat each person equally, and will not post in a manner that forces another user to feel uncomfortable about their religion.
SovietOmega posted... MRNlCEWATCH posted... I don't know if its depressing, funny, or down right disturbing that people like you cannot sign a pledge that simply asks you not to discriminate against others.
I don't know if its depressing, funny, or down right disturbing that people like you need to sign a pledge that involves a principle any self respecting human being would naturally follow anyway.
It's because of the rampant discrimination (primarily by atheists) on this board that such a pledge is necessary. Just because you allegedly tolerate other religions doesn't mean that other people here do.
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From: MRNlCEWATCH | #023 We have no problem accepting you, we just ask that you don't discriminate against one's religious beliefs. There is no place for that on this board.
But when I asked you about my religion requiring me to insult Scientology, you basically laughed in my face and said it was wrong. The exact opposite of what your topic is trying to accomplish.
Also, before you ask, my religion explicitly bans me from saying the name of it on the internet. But it's still totally legit.
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From: mnkboy907 | #020 If you can't accept me for who I am, then this topic is nothing but lies.
We accept you for who you are. We are willing to accept and respect your religious beliefs. However, we do not acknowledge your right to make others feel threatened.
Much like "your liberty to swing your first ends at my nose", we will respect your religious beliefs as far as it does not threaten the safety of other users.
mnkboy907 posted... From: MRNlCEWATCH | #023 We have no problem accepting you, we just ask that you don't discriminate against one's religious beliefs. There is no place for that on this board. But when I asked you about my religion requiring me to insult Scientology, you basically laughed in my face and said it was wrong. The exact opposite of what your topic is trying to accomplish.
Also, before you ask, my religion explicitly bans me from saying the name of it on the internet. But it's still totally legit.
Because you're lying. I know it, you know it, we all know it. It's a cute trolling attempt but do realize that it's just rude and childlike to do so in a topic that seeks to help the board become more progressive.
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From: MRNlCEWATCH | #028 Because you're lying. I know it, you know it, we all know it. It's a cute trolling attempt but do realize that it's just rude and childlike to do so in a topic that seeks to help the board become more progressive.
I'm not being childlike, you're being childlike! This whole board is being childlike! NANANANANANANANANANANANANA I CAN'T HEAR YOU
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From: AlecTrevelyan006 | #027 We accept you for who you are. We are willing to accept and respect your religious beliefs. However, we do not acknowledge your right to make others feel threatened.
Much like "your liberty to swing your first ends at my nose", we will respect your religious beliefs as far as it does not threaten the safety of other users.
Shh, this is no place for logic.
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I, _Regaro_, aka Regaro_Ukiera, hereby pledge to not discriminate against other users based on their religious beliefs. I will respect all faiths regardless of if they agree with mine or not. I will treat each person equally, and will not post in a manner that forces another user to feel uncomfortable about their religion.
I, tyder21, hereby pledge to not discriminate against other users based on their religious beliefs. I will respect all faiths regardless of if they agree with mine or not. I will treat each person equally, and will not post in a manner that forces another user to feel uncomfortable about their religion.
Closed-minded individuals never cease to annoy me.
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From: MRNlCEWATCH | #001 I will treat each person equally
That part is the problem with this pledge.
This never happens (on the board or in real life) and for good reason.
Atheists are not all the same. Christians are not all the same.
Now, you are right that I shouldn't treat someone differently just because of their religion (that actually is discrimination) and very few people here actually do that.
NOT discriminating means you should treat people the way they deserve to be treated, based on their own individual merits.
But individuals use their religions in different ways and in some cases, they SHOULD feel uncomfortable. Obviously, everyone isn't going to agree on when this is/is not the case but that is what discussions are usually about.
No one on this board treats everyone equally and this topic is probably the only place where people pretend that they do.
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I pledged my soul against racism a few months ago...
I will coldly, at a sub-zero temperature turn my shoulder to this topic. I won't promise to promote bullying against theists, but I will actively turn a blind eye to their plight. If one chooses to believe in a ridiculously misconstrued and primative concept of an overall sensible idea, I shall turn my back and show no mercy...
Am I to believe an entity such as the Biblical "God" is real. Am I to believe that I as a human being can understand such a being through scripture? Can such a being of such a vast existence portray itself accurately to me?
As a human being, I am made up of innumerable cells, each being its own living entity with its own function. Can a cell in a hair on my head understand my hopes and dreams? Can a white blood cell fighting infection understand concepts such as love and sadness?
An advanced entity such as the one jokingly portrayed as "the biblical God" is so far beyond that which mere humans can understand, it is not even worthwhile for us to try, as we have no chance...
At the same time, as a body for all such individual cells, do I fully understand the function of each one? Certainly not.
Perhaps we are the result of a God in the sense that our cells are the result of us, unaware of beings on lower levels, the same as of beings on higher levels.
Theism is not wrong, but innaccurate, flawed and primative in my opinion. We fear what we fail to understand. We fail to understand "God" and thus we "fear" God, basing sects of Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, Islam and probably many more on this premise...
but we needn't think of fear. We know that a being in a higher plane of existence is something we are not advanced enough to understand... so why not leave it at that? Something greater than ourselves is out there, why must why try/claim to know more?
If or when we are able to transcend the state in which we currently reside, perhaps another piece of the puzzle will reveal itself...
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treating people equally does not mean treating everyone exactly the same.....
it means giving every person an equal chance regardless of their belief system/gender/race/orientation, then you can treat them how they deserve to be treated based on OTHER FACTORS
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saveus_Maria posted... treating people equally does not mean treating everyone exactly the same.....
it means giving every person an equal chance regardless of their belief system/gender/race/orientation, then you can treat them how they deserve to be treated based on OTHER FACTORS
saveus_Maria gets it.
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It's funny how when I used the exact same terminology for the race pledge no one cared. But now the thought of not treating theists like stupid losers is so devastating to some people on board 8 that now it all of sudden is a huge deal.
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I will never get why "belief system" gets grouped in with race, gender, etc.
"Sure, you deserve a chance even though you believe all black people are inferior. Because I will treat all people equally. That makes me enlightened or something."
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Princess Anri posted... I will never get why "belief system" gets grouped in with race, gender, etc.
"Sure, you deserve a chance even though you believe all black people are inferior. Because I will treat all people equally. That makes me enlightened or something."
If you aren't going to sign the pledge then just leave man.
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MRNlCEWATCH posted... Princess Anri posted... I will never get why "belief system" gets grouped in with race, gender, etc.
"Sure, you deserve a chance even though you believe all black people are inferior. Because I will treat all people equally. That makes me enlightened or something."
If you aren't going to sign the pledge then just leave man.
Why do you have to be so discriminatory?
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indeed. a topic that promotes tolerance, unity, and forward thinking is the last place you'd expect grammar nazis to barge in and try to literally start an argument about whether the exact phrasing you use most accurately represents the message you're trying to promote. but then again certain types of people will always have their own hidden agenda for trying to start arguments and refusing to co-operate with peaceful minded individuals
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SovietOmega posted... MRNlCEWATCH posted... Princess Anri posted... I will never get why "belief system" gets grouped in with race, gender, etc.
"Sure, you deserve a chance even though you believe all black people are inferior. Because I will treat all people equally. That makes me enlightened or something."
If you aren't going to sign the pledge then just leave man.
Why do you have to be so discriminatory?
I'm not. I'm just asking people to stop trolling my topics.
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MRNlCEWATCH posted... SovietOmega posted... MRNlCEWATCH posted... Princess Anri posted... I will never get why "belief system" gets grouped in with race, gender, etc.
"Sure, you deserve a chance even though you believe all black people are inferior. Because I will treat all people equally. That makes me enlightened or something."
If you aren't going to sign the pledge then just leave man.
Why do you have to be so discriminatory?
I'm not. I'm just asking people to stop trolling my topics.
Making someone feel uncomfortable because of their beliefs and asking them to leave is not discrimination? o_O
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From: MRNlCEWATCH | #040 It's funny how when I used the exact same terminology for the race pledge no one cared. But now the thought of not treating theists like stupid losers is so devastating to some people on board 8 that now it all of sudden is a huge deal.
Race is not something you choose.
You should never discriminate for things such as race, gender, height, etc.
But BELIEF SYSTEMS? The things that make people who they are, the choices that they make?
Those are the exact things that ALL people discriminate for, as they should.
If someone believes women should not be allowed to get an education, you should discriminate against them, harshly, saying, "hey, you're an idiot and your beliefs should be stopped."
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I, Mer, hereby pledge to not discriminate against other users based on their religious beliefs. I will respect all faiths regardless of if they agree with mine or not. I will treat each person equally, and will not post in a manner that forces another user to feel uncomfortable about their religion.
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Princess Anri posted... This is not a grammar thing...
From: MRNlCEWATCH | #040 It's funny how when I used the exact same terminology for the race pledge no one cared. But now the thought of not treating theists like stupid losers is so devastating to some people on board 8 that now it all of sudden is a huge deal. Race is not something you choose.
You should never discriminate for things such as race, gender, height, etc.
But BELIEF SYSTEMS? The things that make people who they are, the choices that they make?
Those are the exact things that ALL people discriminate for, as they should.
If someone believes women should not be allowed to get an education, you should discriminate against them, harshly, saying, "hey, you're an idiot and your beliefs should be stopped."
It's obvious that you have no desire to better the board and sign the pledge. I respect your decision but kindly ask you to leave my topic.
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