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Sceptilesolar
04/06/12 11:38:00 PM
#51:


From: KanzarisKelshen | #050
Uh

Trying to bring Rael back is not one of the worst possible things you could do? What IS, then?


You're confusing method with motive.

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Accel_R8
04/06/12 11:39:00 PM
#52:


Dude, Vivi is acting in a matter that will see the universe ripped apart and returned to the way it was before it was reset. She has goals that, if allowed to transpire, will see Rael return and make the world his playground without ANY competition to get in his way. Vivi knows full well that Rael will turn whoever the hell he wants into his toy, and she DOES NOT CARE but she will get all the goodies she wants.

Killing the party is a secondary motivation, she hates the hell out of us and loves the hell out of the stuff Rael gives to his toys. Why the HELL would she work for Rael in the first place, let's pretend the party doesn't exist here, answer me why? Because she's greedy and could not give a damn about the state of the universe so long as she gets the cool stuff she wants.

Evil

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Sceptilesolar
04/06/12 11:41:00 PM
#53:


From: Accel_R8 | #051
Dude, Vivi is acting in a matter that will see the universe ripped apart and returned to the way it was before it was reset. She has goals that, if allowed to transpire, will see Rael return and make the world his playground without ANY competition to get in his way. Vivi knows full well that Rael will turn whoever the hell he wants into his toy, and she DOES NOT CARE but she will get all the goodies she wants.

Killing the party is a secondary motivation, she hates the hell out of us and loves the hell out of the stuff Rael gives to his toys.


You guys already proved for me adequately that greed is the secondary motivation here. It certainly used to be the reason she served Rael, but it's not established that it's relevant to the discussion of her current motives.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/06/12 11:44:00 PM
#54:


From: Sceptilesolar | #052
You're confusing method with motive.


In this case, method is what matters though. Our point is basically that, if you're gonna rape a baby to get back at someone, that makes you evil - it's not necessarily your thirst for revenge that drives you to evil, but the actions you commit. Bringing Rael back to the world is so much worse than baby raping that they're like the difference between a 1.0 and 11.5 magnitude earthquakes - both are tragic, but one is just bad while the other is world-endingly horrifying.

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Sceptilesolar
04/06/12 11:45:00 PM
#55:


From: KanzarisKelshen | #054
In this case, method is what matters though. Our point is basically that, if you're gonna rape a baby to get back at someone, that makes you evil - it's not necessarily your thirst for revenge that drives you to evil, but the actions you commit. Bringing Rael back to the world is so much worse than baby raping that they're like the difference between a 1.0 and 11.5 magnitude earthquakes - both are tragic, but one is just bad while the other is world-endingly horrifying.


Hmm. Well, I think that's a way to look at it, but as I see it, good vs evil is about motives, and method is for law vs chaos. So I'd be inclined to discard method entirely.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/06/12 11:47:00 PM
#56:


From: Sceptilesolar | #055
Hmm. Well, I think that's a way to look at it, but as I see it, good vs evil is about motives, and method is for law vs chaos. So I'd be inclined to discard method entirely.


Ah, OK, this is more understandable then. To me, good vs. evil is basically empathy, while law vs. chaos is all about ethics. This is why Vivi is screamingly evil to me now, while also not being particularly chaotic.

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Accel_R8
04/06/12 11:47:00 PM
#57:


Either which way you look at it, Vivi has shown nothing other than evil tendencies, there's pretty much no denying that much.

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Sceptilesolar
04/06/12 11:49:00 PM
#58:


From: Accel_R8 | #057
Either which way you look at it, Vivi has shown nothing other than evil tendencies, there's pretty much no denying that much.


I think concern for another living being is actually quite promising for her.

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Anagram
04/06/12 11:50:00 PM
#59:


Well, as for wanting to kill Quentyn, Kirie, and Vanessa... From Vivi's perspective, if you accept that her wanting to kill Valerian, Brona, and Amy as legitimate or at least not evil, wanting to kill people who will defend them is... not quite legitimate, but not automatically evil by itself. In addition, Kirie and Thoron did nothing to prevent the universe's destruction and in fact directly aided in it, even if they're innocent of the Learrette mindrape factor.

The only person Vivi really can't blame, either for her getting tortured or for her sister's death, is Vanessa.


Unrelated: Aw yeaaaa finally got a picture of every one of Rael's Hands.
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Sceptilesolar
04/06/12 11:53:00 PM
#60:


Hey now, Quentyn was the one who wanted to go along willingly, I was the one who ended up opposed to the time travel thing. But generally speaking I accept her grievances against the party as legitimate even though Brona wasn't actually supporting them in the end; he was still complicit in making the plan possible (... Considering how much damage he dealt during the escort mission, that's very complicit).

Hell, she's even right to blame the party for Amy mindraping Learrette. We accepted responsibility for Learrette, and also accepted Amy as a party member despite knowing her motives were sometimes at odds with the rest, so the party as a whole can be considered guilty.

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Anagram
04/06/12 11:56:00 PM
#61:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Hey now, Quentyn was the one who wanted to go along willingly, I was the one who ended up opposed to the time travel thing. But generally speaking I accept her grievances against the party as legitimate even though Brona wasn't actually supporting them in the end; he was still complicit in making the plan possible (... Considering how much damage he dealt during the escort mission, that's very complicit).

Hell, she's even right to blame the party for Amy mindraping Learrette. We accepted responsibility for Learrette, and also accepted Amy as a party member despite knowing her motives were sometimes at odds with the rest, so the party as a whole can be considered guilty.


I didn't get to show this part, but Vivi got to watch Rael's memory of the events, which is why she was able to call forth illusions of the party's conversation. If she knew that Amy specifically was the one who mindraped Learrette, she would have gone ballistic on her far more brutally than she did.

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Anagram
04/07/12 9:52:00 AM
#62:


Oh God I killed the discussion

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KanzarisKelshen
04/07/12 10:02:00 AM
#63:


From: Anagram | #062
Oh God I killed the discussion


Naw, finally falling asleep killed the discussion.

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Anagram
04/07/12 10:09:00 AM
#64:


Well maybe it's a combination of the two

>_>

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Accel_R8
04/07/12 11:10:00 AM
#65:


Does anyone know how to take screencaps on the PS3? I made Amy Sztery in Soul Calibur 5 but I dont know how to take a good picture :(

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Sceptilesolar
04/07/12 11:47:00 AM
#66:


There's obviously a simple solution to the problem, we just have to drink an Elixir of Protection from Evil and punch Vivi, and if we do more damage she's evil.

Oh, D&D and your unnecessary quantification of a roleplaying abstraction.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/07/12 11:58:00 AM
#67:


From: Sceptilesolar | #066
There's obviously a simple solution to the problem, we just have to drink an Elixir of Protection from Evil and punch Vivi, and if we do more damage she's evil.

Oh, D&D and your unnecessary quantification of a roleplaying abstraction.


I approve of this plan.

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Anagram
04/07/12 12:01:00 PM
#68:


Accel_R8 posted...
Does anyone know how to take screencaps on the PS3? I made Amy Sztery in Soul Calibur 5 but I dont know how to take a good picture :(

Use a physical camera?

>_>

I would think Amy would be the hardest of the characters to make in SC5.

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Anagram
04/07/12 12:05:00 PM
#69:


Well, I found another drawthread on /tg/, and realizing that I had pictures for most of the important characters, I of course thought "I'll get a picture for Aluxial." But then I thought of a much, much more important character than merely Aluxial.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/07/12 12:12:00 PM
#70:


From: Anagram | #068
Accel_R8 posted...
Does anyone know how to take screencaps on the PS3? I made Amy Sztery in Soul Calibur 5 but I dont know how to take a good picture :(

Use a physical camera?

>_>

I would think Amy would be the hardest of the characters to make in SC5.


I'd say Brona, actually. Does anybody in SC5 use tiny weapons?

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Anagram
04/07/12 12:16:00 PM
#71:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Anagram | #068
Accel_R8 posted...
Does anyone know how to take screencaps on the PS3? I made Amy Sztery in Soul Calibur 5 but I dont know how to take a good picture :(

Use a physical camera?

>_>

I would think Amy would be the hardest of the characters to make in SC5.
I'd say Brona, actually. Does anybody in SC5 use tiny weapons?


Viola use claw thingies.

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Accel_R8
04/07/12 12:27:00 PM
#72:


Viola uses an orb which is like the closest thing to a pure magic character... which is what I gave Amy, actually.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/07/12 12:40:00 PM
#73:


But Amy uses a rifle...

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Anagram
04/07/12 12:53:00 PM
#74:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
But Amy uses a rifle...

Amy uses a handgun, actually, but yes. That's a problem.

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Accel_R8
04/07/12 1:13:00 PM
#75:


There is no gun in Soul Calibur. Outside of Cervantes shenanigans, anyway. The weapon is never the cool part of making characters in Soul Cal anyway, back in the day Captain Falcon create-a-souls were stuck using nunchaku.

In either case, I actually like the way Amy came out, I just need a means to take pictures.

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Anagram
04/08/12 9:44:00 AM
#76:


Scep, you really need to step it up on the "kidnapping/rescuing a random NPC whom Anagram put no effort into" front. Everyone else has at least one.

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SovietOmega
04/08/12 10:13:00 AM
#77:


How else are we going to unlock the super secret friendship bonus ending unless we find all the hidden allies scep? Get on that! Next npc we meet! No excuses!

*next npc is a crotchety old man*

brona: "I AM RESCUING YOU OLD MAN"

old man: "What? Skewering a whole lamb? Why..back in my day we used to call them bleeting mutton and we had to walk uphill both ways just so we could because back then the god of transportation had banned downhill travel you see...and did I ever tell you about the...time i...once slayed...zzz"

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KanzarisKelshen
04/08/12 10:30:00 AM
#78:


Oh yeah, BTW, who are we leveling up this time? I think Miss Right isn't totally caught up? If so we should get on that.

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Anagram
04/08/12 11:12:00 AM
#79:


Miss R leveled up from her adventure just now. You'll have to for at least a short time skip to level someone else. Who will it be, by the way, if not Miss R?

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Accel_R8
04/08/12 12:32:00 PM
#80:


Forget IMO, we have to grind our Bunny Knight!

She also was a big part of the last combat in Twilight world so I mean it makes sense.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/08/12 12:38:00 PM
#81:


From: Anagram | #079
Miss R leveled up from her adventure just now. You'll have to for at least a short time skip to level someone else. Who will it be, by the way, if not Miss R?


Hm, so we can't level her up? Then I think Forget is the right call, yeah. The alternatives are all above our level so we can't train them.

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Anagram
04/08/12 12:47:00 PM
#82:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Anagram | #079
Miss R leveled up from her adventure just now. You'll have to for at least a short time skip to level someone else. Who will it be, by the way, if not Miss R?
Hm, so we can't level her up? Then I think Forget is the right call, yeah. The alternatives are all above our level so we can't train them.


Poor Dubs.

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SovietOmega
04/08/12 12:51:00 PM
#83:


Bunny Knight trumps Dancer, this is just the way of the world.

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Accel_R8
04/08/12 1:00:00 PM
#84:


We can't really afford to spread these levels too thinly, if we can get a few to party level -2 tier, they'll be able to defend the noncombatants far better than several party level -6 characters ever could. If we continue work on Forget, who has shown she legitimately wants to help in combat, and get her to pl-2, we can start work on somebody a little closer like Samantha, and get her to pl-2.

Eventually we can get a whole 5-man cell of pl-2s, which is like an entire lower leveled party. After that the non-combatants should be priority.

Edit: Also it's Easter, all bunny-themed characters should get bonus XP IMO. for srs.


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Tirofog
04/08/12 1:23:00 PM
#85:


For reference, an NPC list sorted by level:

Atharathes - Warlord 16
Reen - Battlemind 15
Ederax - Warlock 11
Konamy - Modron 10 (Apparently not too good at combat, though)
Miss R - Rogue 9 (10 now?)
Samantha - Funeral Girl 8
Kira - Fighter 5
Forget - Bunny Knight 3
Dubs - Bard 1

Thoron and Amy (Not sure what level they'd be...)
Teracor - Blackguard 15 (MIA, and not particularly friendly towards the party anymore)
Aluxial - Wizard 51 (Still stuck in a vomit covered crystal)

Over half of them are surprisingly battle competent already (Assuming Sam can actually fight...). I'm fine with continuing to level Forget, though

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Sceptilesolar
04/08/12 1:40:00 PM
#86:


We know Funeral Girl is a primal controller, anyway.

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Accel_R8
04/08/12 1:49:00 PM
#87:


Currently pl-2 is 10, so the target level for the NPCs we have decided are combat capable should hit level 10. Using Tiro's list, that means...

=Combat Squad=
Atharathes - Warlord 16 (Leader, Martial) Ties to: Quentyn
Reen - Battlemind 15 (Defender, Psionic) Ties to: Valerian
Ederax - Warlock 11 (Striker, Arcane) Ties to: Kirie
Miss R - Rogue 9, possibly 10 (Striker, Martial) Ties to: Valerian, Vanessa, Brona

=Non-Combatants=
Samantha - Funeral Girl 8 (Controller?, Primal?) Ties to: Amy, Vanessa
Kira - Fighter 5 (Defender, Martial) Ties to: Valerian
Forget - Bunny Knight 3 (Defender?, Divine?) Ties to: T'horon
Dubs - Bard 1 (Leader, Arcane) Ties to: Quentyn

=Unsure=
Konamy - Modron 10 (Controller? ???)* Ties to: Amy
T'horon - Swordmage 12 (Defender, Arcane)** Ties to: Kirie, Forget

*: Apparently it was started Konamy is a poor combatant despite her level?
**: T'horon is currently in terrible condition.

=MIA=
Amy - Mage 12 (Controller, Arcane) Ties to: Konamy, Samantha
Teracor - Blackguard 16? (Striker, Shadow) Ties to: Valerian*

*: Has probably broken these ties.


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Accel_R8
04/08/12 1:50:00 PM
#88:


Heavily editting my post while I can, we can drop this on pastebin when it's deemed finished so we have a tracking list for all our NPC data.

List assumes players that are out of commission are given NPC status.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/08/12 2:10:00 PM
#89:


Random pic apropos of nothing:

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Not even a huge MM fan, but that's just badass.

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Accel_R8
04/08/12 2:32:00 PM
#90:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Random pic apropos of nothing:

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Not even a huge MM fan, but that's just badass.


IMGUR'D HARD.

Coincidentally I need to sort through my non-album images. I might just put them in an 'unsorted' album.

Edit: I'm considering making my tertiary backup character a Fey Corgi again. Just because I ran across it in my imgur. (no not really)


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KanzarisKelshen
04/08/12 3:27:00 PM
#91:


Hey Accel, out of curiosity, where'd you get Fist of Lightning from? Can't find it at all.

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SovietOmega
04/08/12 4:06:00 PM
#92:


apparently he got it from martial power 2.

and the actual text says it is a damage bonus based on dex mod, which would not help val much at all :p

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KanzarisKelshen
04/08/12 4:52:00 PM
#93:


From: SovietOmega | #092
apparently he got it from martial power 2.

and the actual text says it is a damage bonus based on dex mod, which would not help val much at all :p


Nah, I was asking because it seemed like a Monk power, which got me wondering how he'd gotten it. Thankfully, I have something much more tasty in store down the line, in the form of Fuel The Fire.

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Anagram
04/08/12 5:40:00 PM
#94:


So tell me, guys. Are you interested in some player-driven sidequests for a while instead of the main plot about Rael and the cult, or would you prefer more of the latter?

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Accel_R8
04/08/12 5:41:00 PM
#95:


Fist of Lightning's a brawling fighter power, unarmed damage increased by dex modifier while you maintain the stance, means it scales and it's a utility power so I don't even have to drop it for something better later. It's daily, but I get other daily stances on attack powers later like REAPER'S STANCE which is goddamn outrageously powerful. Fist of Lightning's the go-to buff once per day and later stances are the "this encounter actually requires a daily attack power" buff.

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Accel_R8
04/08/12 5:42:00 PM
#96:


SIDEQUESTS WOULD BE AMAZING, I was actually hoping that would be the case when we got to the new world, we haven't gotten to explore it yet.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/08/12 5:53:00 PM
#97:


From: Anagram | #094
So tell me, guys. Are you interested in some player-driven sidequests for a while instead of the main plot about Rael and the cult, or would you prefer more of the latter?


If it means going back to smashing skulls and running from one place to another, then pass on the second option. If instead it means talking with the Cult's remnants and/or Vivi (emphasis on talking), I wouldn't mind doing some cult stuff on the way...but right now, Valerian is focused on finding Teracor first and foremost. Everything else kind of takes a backseat now that the Raelites AREN'T going to blow the world up right the hell now.

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SovietOmega
04/08/12 5:55:00 PM
#98:


totally need to do sidequests because that will allow the party to actually make some connections in this universe and maybe maaaaaaaaybe down the line decide not to destroy it

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IhatethisCPU
04/08/12 6:02:00 PM
#99:


Was hoping for sidequests, yes.

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Sceptilesolar
04/08/12 6:23:00 PM
#100:


I would certainly not mind sidequesty stuff, but in-character it might be hard to justify.

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