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Anagram
04/08/12 6:28:00 PM
#101:


IhatethisCPU posted...
Was hoping for sidequests, yes.

Incidentally, keep meaning to ask and keep forgetting to do so, but what paragon paths did Ede, Atha and Reen take, by the way? >_>'


They have not taken any. The party can decide for them, if you guys want to.

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Tirofog
04/08/12 6:46:00 PM
#102:


Well we have a week or so IC until Reen and Miss R get back... so we could always do other stuff in the meantime. >_>

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Sceptilesolar
04/08/12 6:53:00 PM
#103:


Well, that's true, I guess without their information on the other mine we'll be aimless for a little while, so this is good timing.

What kind of pact does Ederax have anyway? That's pretty relevant for her paragon path.

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04/08/12 7:03:00 PM
#104:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Well, that's true, I guess without their information on the other mine we'll be aimless for a little while, so this is good timing.

What kind of pact does Ederax have anyway? That's pretty relevant for her paragon path.


Sorcerer-King.

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Sceptilesolar
04/08/12 7:14:00 PM
#105:


Hmm... Actually, there are a lot of variables involved.

I like Flamebrow Commander for Atha (she did introduce herself as a Warlord of Flame, didn't she?), though I'm not sure whether she's a BraveLord or not.

Reen can be a Steel Ego if she knows Mind Spike. In other news, while looking up Battlemind PPs, I learned they have a paragon path that would be ridiculously cool for me if it wasn't required that you be a Battlemind, Storm Disciple. The Daily power is lunacy. It doesn't have quite as good a feature as Lightning Field, but it's still damn good.

Ede... probably just Hexer.

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Anagram
04/08/12 7:16:00 PM
#106:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Hmm... Actually, there are a lot of variables involved.

I like Flamebrow Commander for Atha (she did introduce herself as a Warlord of Flame, didn't she?), though I'm not sure whether she's a BraveLord or not.

Reen can be a Steel Ego if she knows Mind Spike. In other news, while looking up Battlemind PPs, I learned they have a paragon path that would be ridiculously cool for me if it wasn't required that you be a Battlemind, Storm Disciple. The Daily power is lunacy. It doesn't have quite as good a feature as Lightning Field, but it's still damn good.

Ede... probably just Hexer.


You do realize you could multiclass for it, right? And Atharathes' (self-given) title was "Warlord of Steel and Flame."

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Sceptilesolar
04/08/12 7:18:00 PM
#107:


Well, Battlemind stats (and by extension Battlemind PPs) don't mesh at all with normal Sorcs, since they're CON primary. ... On the other hand, an Elementalist / Battlemind could be quite good if hybrid Elementalists existed.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/08/12 7:50:00 PM
#108:


From: Sceptilesolar | #107
Well, Battlemind stats (and by extension Battlemind PPs) don't mesh at all with normal Sorcs, since they're CON primary. ... On the other hand, an Elementalist / Battlemind could be quite good if hybrid Elementalists existed.


Take Bracers of Mental Might, then Reserve Maneuver away the encounter power. Suddenly, mesh!

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IhatethisCPU
04/08/12 7:51:00 PM
#109:


I'd personally suggest Entrancing Mystic for Ede, and perhaps Battlelord of Kord for Atha, although I'm slightly baffled that they haven't taken a path on their own volition. >_>'

I'm not going to suggest anything for Reen because I'm not touching anything to do with Psionic classes with a ten-foot pole for my own sanity. >_>'

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KanzarisKelshen
04/08/12 8:03:00 PM
#110:


I was thinking either Entrancing Mystic or Praetor Legate for Ederax, Flamebrow Commander or Twiceborn Leader for Atharathes, and a modded Dreamwalker for Reen. Seriously, you tell me that path doesn't fit her PERFECTLY. Just replace INT with CON and Implement with Weapon and it's...her.

And as for Teracor, our final Paragon ally...probably either Gray Guard or Grim Blackguard. As a note, what Vice does she adscribe to? Domination seems like the obvious one, but I could be wrong.

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Sceptilesolar
04/08/12 8:24:00 PM
#111:


Didn't we have this discussion before and decided that she doesn't fit any of them?

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KanzarisKelshen
04/08/12 8:26:00 PM
#112:


From: Sceptilesolar | #111
Didn't we have this discussion before and decided that she doesn't fit any of them?


Yes, but Grim Blackguard works off the vice you got. It's an equally strong thematic fit as Gray Guard (but for entirely different reasons), but I'm not gonna shackle any of the crewmembers with crap PPs for lulz.

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Anagram
04/08/12 9:16:00 PM
#113:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Sceptilesolar | #111
Didn't we have this discussion before and decided that she doesn't fit any of them?
Yes, but Grim Blackguard works off the vice you got. It's an equally strong thematic fit as Gray Guard (but for entirely different reasons), but I'm not gonna shackle any of the crewmembers with crap PPs for lulz.


Neither of the blackguard vices I saw fit her. I'm considering just homebrewing one for her.

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Sceptilesolar
04/08/12 9:24:00 PM
#114:


She doesn't really fit the class flavor; she's guided by evil as an ideal rather than any specific vice. More like a paladin of evil.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/08/12 9:31:00 PM
#115:


From: Sceptilesolar | #114
She doesn't really fit the class flavor; she's guided by evil as an ideal rather than any specific vice. More like a paladin of evil.


Indeed. If she were an evil paladin, I'd just say Gray Guard for her PP, or Questing Knight - both fit her perfectly.

From: Anagram | #113
KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Sceptilesolar | #111
Didn't we have this discussion before and decided that she doesn't fit any of them?
Yes, but Grim Blackguard works off the vice you got. It's an equally strong thematic fit as Gray Guard (but for entirely different reasons), but I'm not gonna shackle any of the crewmembers with crap PPs for lulz.


Neither of the blackguard vices I saw fit her. I'm considering just homebrewing one for her.


What would her vice be? The Vice of Void? Indecision? Loyalty?

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Anagram
04/08/12 9:49:00 PM
#116:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Sceptilesolar | #114
She doesn't really fit the class flavor; she's guided by evil as an ideal rather than any specific vice. More like a paladin of evil.
Indeed. If she were an evil paladin, I'd just say Gray Guard for her PP, or Questing Knight - both fit her perfectly.

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KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Sceptilesolar | #111
Didn't we have this discussion before and decided that she doesn't fit any of them?
Yes, but Grim Blackguard works off the vice you got. It's an equally strong thematic fit as Gray Guard (but for entirely different reasons), but I'm not gonna shackle any of the crewmembers with crap PPs for lulz.

Neither of the blackguard vices I saw fit her. I'm considering just homebrewing one for her.
What would her vice be? The Vice of Void? Indecision? Loyalty?


I'm not sure. Vices imply some kind of massive character flaw from which you nevertheless gain strength, but I can't think of something like that for her.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/08/12 9:56:00 PM
#117:


From: Anagram | #116
KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Sceptilesolar | #114
She doesn't really fit the class flavor; she's guided by evil as an ideal rather than any specific vice. More like a paladin of evil.
Indeed. If she were an evil paladin, I'd just say Gray Guard for her PP, or Questing Knight - both fit her perfectly.

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KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Sceptilesolar | #111
Didn't we have this discussion before and decided that she doesn't fit any of them?
Yes, but Grim Blackguard works off the vice you got. It's an equally strong thematic fit as Gray Guard (but for entirely different reasons), but I'm not gonna shackle any of the crewmembers with crap PPs for lulz.

Neither of the blackguard vices I saw fit her. I'm considering just homebrewing one for her.
What would her vice be? The Vice of Void? Indecision? Loyalty?


I'm not sure. Vices imply some kind of massive character flaw from which you nevertheless gain strength, but I can't think of something like that for her.


This is why I was thinking Loyalty, since she's devoted to evil because it...deserves devotion, more or less, if I remember her words. But yeah, she's really more of a paladin tbqh.

EDIT: Alternatively, crackpot idea: Vice of Love, because her love of evil compels her to do dark things, but gives her strength.

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Anagram
04/08/12 10:28:00 PM
#118:


Maybe I'll use that, or maybe I'll just make her a paladin.


On an unrelated note, I can't decide what power source Bunny Knights should be. They can't be divine, but other than that, anything is fine.

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Sceptilesolar
04/08/12 10:29:00 PM
#119:


They are fueled by the powers of cuteness.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/08/12 10:33:00 PM
#120:


From: Anagram | #118
Maybe I'll use that, or maybe I'll just make her a paladin.


On an unrelated note, I can't decide what power source Bunny Knights should be. They can't be divine, but other than that, anything is fine.


Martial, like other Knights IMO.

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Sceptilesolar
04/08/12 11:18:00 PM
#121:


Incidentally, I have created a most entertaining backup character.

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Tirofog
04/09/12 1:27:00 AM
#122:


Long overdue NPC Rankings (based on how much I like them as a character):

1) Forget – She's just awesome... I want her to make it to the end.
2) Atharathes – I'm interested to see how this recent ordeal has effected her.
3) Learette – Probably the most interesting NPC arc – from spoiled to broken to recovering to broken again. I have no idea what will happen the next time her and the party meet up.
4) Miss R – Is a total bro.
5) Asabew – Once she went full blown crazy, I actually liked her a lot more as a character.
6) Dubs – I want to rank her higher, but she hasn't really done much of note so far. When she does, though, I will mark out so hard.
7) Samantha – A really unique character. I should have Quentyn talk to her again sometime.
8) Teracor – Probably the most unpredictable NPC, especially now that she's separated from the party. A very cool character.
9) Konamy – I liked her robot shenanigans... we've been sadly lacking in those as of late.
10) Rhea – She was just introduced, but I like that she's reasonable and skilled with technology. Here's hoping she eventually joins the crew! <_<

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SovietOmega
04/09/12 5:13:00 AM
#123:


Why of course bunny knights can be divine, we just celebrated a divine bunny holiday!

Though...I suppose kan is probably right with the martial thing.

..but cuteness would be lulz. Just you wait until the party invades candyland seeking the ultimate power source of cuteness...oh how the cherry juices will flow...

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Anagram
04/09/12 7:27:00 AM
#124:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Incidentally, I have created a most entertaining backup character.

Dude post itttttt

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IhatethisCPU
04/09/12 8:43:00 AM
#125:


Obviously Forget gets her powers from the elemental plane of adorable.

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Anagram
04/09/12 10:00:00 AM
#126:


Tirofog posted...
Long overdue NPC Rankings (based on how much I like them as a character):

1) Forget – She's just awesome... I want her to make it to the end.
2) Atharathes – I'm interested to see how this recent ordeal has effected her.
3) Learette – Probably the most interesting NPC arc – from spoiled to broken to recovering to broken again. I have no idea what will happen the next time her and the party meet up.
4) Miss R – Is a total bro.
5) Asabew – Once she went full blown crazy, I actually liked her a lot more as a character.
6) Dubs – I want to rank her higher, but she hasn't really done much of note so far. When she does, though, I will mark out so hard.
7) Samantha – A really unique character. I should have Quentyn talk to her again sometime.
8) Teracor – Probably the most unpredictable NPC, especially now that she's separated from the party. A very cool character.
9) Konamy – I liked her robot shenanigans... we've been sadly lacking in those as of late.
10) Rhea – She was just introduced, but I like that she's reasonable and skilled with technology. Here's hoping she eventually joins the crew! <_<


To be honest, I'm a little surprised that Forget is so universally loved.

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Sceptilesolar
04/09/12 10:21:00 AM
#127:


Back to NPC ratings, huh? All I know is that my top 4 is Miss R, Samantha, Teracor, and Reen.



As for my backup character, it's not quite finished yet, but it'd be this one:

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=388857

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KanzarisKelshen
04/09/12 11:05:00 AM
#128:


From: SovietOmega | #123
Why of course bunny knights can be divine, we just celebrated a divine bunny holiday!

Though...I suppose kan is probably right with the martial thing.

..but cuteness would be lulz. Just you wait until the party invades candyland seeking the ultimate power source of cuteness...oh how the cherry juices will flow...


The idea is cuteness omega, not innuendo!

From: Sceptilesolar | #127
Back to NPC ratings, huh? All I know is that my top 4 is Miss R, Samantha, Teracor, and Reen.



As for my backup character, it's not quite finished yet, but it'd be this one:

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=388857


No Improved Armor of Faith and Unarmored Agility? Jeeze, this guy is gonna get tagged by everything.

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04/09/12 11:05:00 AM
#129:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Back to NPC ratings, huh? All I know is that my top 4 is Miss R, Samantha, Teracor, and Reen.



As for my backup character, it's not quite finished yet, but it'd be this one:

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=388857


Back-up looks good. Reen so high surprises me.

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Accel_R8
04/09/12 11:12:00 AM
#130:


You could have Forget channel the primal energy of the bunny. Effectively a paladin, as she champions the power of bunnies everywhere, but drawing upon a primal power source, all of the bunnies in the universe lend her a tiny bit of their power... and there are a _LOT_ of bunnies, think of how those guys reproduce!

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Sceptilesolar
04/09/12 12:23:00 PM
#131:


No Improved Armor of Faith and Unarmored Agility? Jeeze, this guy is gonna get tagged by everything.

His AC is higher than Brona's... <_<.

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Accel_R8
04/09/12 12:34:00 PM
#132:


27 ac at this level is about average, but remember that you only have 70-something HP. If you plan on plunging into melee you might have a bit of trouble with getting beat up. Vanessa's AC for a defender isn't the greatest (29), but it's good enough to stave off the occasional hit and she has 103 HP...

If you can spare the feat, +2 to AC from just unarmored agility is a godsend, even if you're not trying to squeeze all of the optimization out of the character as humanly possible. I consider unarmored agility on somebody stuck in cloth to be a staple feat no matter what, it's just that good.

Edit: To compare, somebody without any shield or feat bonuses to AC, wearing masterwork scale at this level would have 28 AC.


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Sceptilesolar
04/09/12 12:39:00 PM
#133:


His health is the same as Brona's too.

I dunno, your advice is theoretically good, but in practice no matter how much I wade into melee I rarely find myself in immediate danger. Brona's a little better off in some ways because he has Storm Soul defense, but his defenses are also lower overall. Not that Unarmored Agility is a waste of time, but it's hard to slot in when I'd rather put feats into accuracy and damage stuff.

(Thinking about it Brona's defenses are gonna start sucking hard if I ever stop using the artifact, though. That's a pain.)

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KanzarisKelshen
04/09/12 1:23:00 PM
#134:


From: Sceptilesolar | #133
His health is the same as Brona's too.

I dunno, your advice is theoretically good, but in practice no matter how much I wade into melee I rarely find myself in immediate danger. Brona's a little better off in some ways because he has Storm Soul defense, but his defenses are also lower overall. Not that Unarmored Agility is a waste of time, but it's hard to slot in when I'd rather put feats into accuracy and damage stuff.

(Thinking about it Brona's defenses are gonna start sucking hard if I ever stop using the artifact, though. That's a pain.)


There's also the issue that your at-wills don't mesh either. Bond of Censure is kind of pretty trash tbqh, and it's absolutely worth a feat to get Power of Skill'd Overwhelming Strike. This also lets you have RBA Divine Bolts, which is pretty sweet too.

As for Brona, the key thing is that, so far, we haven't faced bosses with abundant forced movement. This protects him a lot, because it means that, once Valerian and Vanessa start their stand-and-bang dance, the enemy is pretty much never ever going to get away, because he'd eat one to three punishes for the privilege. If we ever see a boss that has something like 'minor action: push all enemies in Close Burst 1 3 squares', he's gonna get thrashed hardcore.

PS: This actually makes me wonder though - it's true that Brona's reached maximum concordance with Vega's Dagger, and been there for a while. I wonder if it'll move on?

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Sceptilesolar
04/09/12 1:43:00 PM
#135:


Bond of Censure is hardly trash, it's the second-best Avenger at-will. It's just that you're comparing it to Overwhelming Strike. But I'm attempting to make someone that's good with ranged. Furthermore, I can't take Power of Skill unless I bend the rules, because I'm already forced into worshipping a deity that doesn't have that domain.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/09/12 1:51:00 PM
#136:


From: Sceptilesolar | #135
Bond of Censure is hardly trash, it's the second-best Avenger at-will. It's just that you're comparing it to Overwhelming Strike. But I'm attempting to make someone that's good with ranged. Furthermore, I can't take Power of Skill unless I bend the rules, because I'm already forced into worshipping a deity that doesn't have that domain.


You can worship an entire pantheon by RAW. And the PHB-approved argument aside, I very much doubt Ana'd disapprove allowing domain feats to be taken normally. Remember that the universe used to be godless, and nobody objected to taking Sword of Hestavar.

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Sceptilesolar
04/09/12 1:52:00 PM
#137:


Yes, but it's not illegal to take Sword of Hestavar. You can just say you worship... Erathis, wasn't it? and then ignore it flavorwise. No problem. Here you have to worship two different gods. That's an illegality by rules, or at least by the builder, which is complaining.

Not that I would mind changing to the Power of Skill thing.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/09/12 2:05:00 PM
#138:


From: Sceptilesolar | #137
Yes, but it's not illegal to take Sword of Hestavar. You can just say you worship... Erathis, wasn't it? and then ignore it flavorwise. No problem. Here you have to worship two different gods. That's an illegality by rules, or at least by the builder, which is complaining.

Not that I would mind changing to the Power of Skill thing.


Nah, it's definitely not illegal. Look at the LFR rules - they have to explicitly ban pantheon worshipping because the PHB lets you but that'd make life too easy for divine characters (jerks!). So you can go for it. I can get you the specific quote if you need the proof.

EDIT: Also, if you're going Morninglord, I highly highly recommend taking Sun Strike and Power of the Sun - or really, just Power of the Sun, plus a Radiant Boon, no need for Sun Strike though it helps. Dealing Vulnerability 11 out one, two or even three times per encounter? 'yes please'.

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Sceptilesolar
04/09/12 2:10:00 PM
#139:


There's too little feat room!

I mean, I guess I can put off Painful Oath and Silvery Glow (which is better than the radiant booster I was previously using, if we're doing this pantheon worshipping thing). But it's a pain. And the others are really hard to justify getting rid of.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/09/12 2:20:00 PM
#140:


From: Sceptilesolar | #139
There's too little feat room!

I mean, I guess I can put off Painful Oath and Silvery Glow (which is better than the radiant booster I was previously using, if we're doing this pantheon worshipping thing). But it's a pain. And the others are really hard to justify getting rid of.


Hold on...here's what I've got for easy results:

Feat 1: Divine Healer (Sub in Battle Cleric's Lore).
Feat 2: WP Fullblade
Feat 3: Mighty Crusader Expertise
Feat 4: Power of Skill
Feat 5: Power of the Sun
Feat 6: Silvery Glow
Feat 7: Painful Oath
Feat 8: Invoker's Blaze

Net result: Boosted AC (by a ton - plus your Hybrid Talent is open for shenanigans down the line), you have what is effectively an MBA on roids, you can grant vulnerability at-will with Sun Strike and Solar Enemy, you have your damage booster, plus whatever the hell Invoker's Blaze does. If you don't much care about crits, you can take WP Fullblade out for Superior Implement Proficiency. Your init won't be as good and your defenses will be briefly lower, but overall the package is worth it. What do you think of this?

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Sceptilesolar
04/09/12 2:23:00 PM
#141:


Your init won't be as good

And by 'not as good' you mean 'horrible'... That's a pain.

Silvery Glow and Invoker's Blaze both provide feat bonuses to the same thing, so it's a waste of time.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/09/12 2:35:00 PM
#142:


From: Sceptilesolar | #141
Your init won't be as good

And by 'not as good' you mean 'horrible'... That's a pain.

Silvery Glow and Invoker's Blaze both provide feat bonuses to the same thing, so it's a waste of time.


Durrrrr, totally failed to notice that. That way you can get battle intuition though, so it's a nice trade.

PS: Don't sweat low init. It's never stopped Valerian, who still has rather tame initiative even post-Kirie + Brona. If it really worries you, buy a Battle Harness!

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Sceptilesolar
04/09/12 2:56:00 PM
#143:


You know, even if the Battle Cleric's Lore swap is legal (seems like it could be, but I was unable to find a clear answer), it's not as good an AC boost as what I get from Hybrid Talenting.

EDIT: There's also the problem that the Builder really, really doesn't want me doing that one. Just having it call my character houseruled is fine, but I'd have to mod CBLoader to get it to accept the feature swap.

The rest sounds perfectly fine, though; I'll probably take Superior Implement Proficiency as the extra feat there.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/09/12 3:03:00 PM
#144:


From: Sceptilesolar | #143
You know, even if the Battle Cleric's Lore swap is legal (seems like it could be, but I was unable to find a clear answer), it's not as good an AC boost as what I get from Hybrid Talenting.

EDIT: There's also the problem that the Builder really, really doesn't want me doing that one. Just having it call my character houseruled is fine, but I'd have to mod CBLoader to get it to accept the feature swap.

The rest sounds perfectly fine, though; I'll probably take Superior Implement Proficiency as the extra feat there.


It isn't? You sure about that? It's 7 base AC, plus +2 from masterworks, plus +2 shield bonus. Armor of Faith gets you something like...+3 base, +4 stats, +2 IAoF, but 0 masterworks. Elven Chain Shirt does even it up, but then again Bloodiron adds to Scale further if you really wanna juice defenses up. It's closeish, but the gap can widen a ton with certain items.

And yeah, happy to help with the rest :)

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Sceptilesolar
04/09/12 4:51:00 PM
#145:


Oh, you're including the scale armor stuff. Well, that would explain it. That does make sense as an improvement.

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SovietOmega
04/09/12 7:35:00 PM
#146:


I so need to find a theme for Amy >_<

Tempted to suggest this, but despite containing slight 4th wall bending powers that important magic people seem to start to exhibit eventually, I just doesn't quite fit >_>;;



Clearly more of a party theme <_<

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KanzarisKelshen
04/09/12 8:59:00 PM
#147:


Updated wishlist since I went trawling through my books:

-Badge of the Berserker +3, Adventurer's Vault 2.
-Backlash Tattoo, Adventurer's Vault 2.
-Defensive Step Training, Dungeon Master's Guide 2.
-Battle Standard of the Hungry Blade, Dragon 381
-Power Jewel, Adventurer's Vault.
-Pitted Flowstone, Heroes of the Elemental Chaos.
-Mad Monkey Wobbles, Dragon 404.
-Cincture of the Dragon Spirit, Adventurer's Vault 2.
-Imperial Oration, Dragon 393.
-Wrathful Spirit, Dark Sun Campaign Setting.
-Enshrouding Candle, Adventurer's Vault.
-Talisman of Fortune, Adventurer's Vault.
-Polyglot Gem, Adventurer's Vault.

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Anagram
04/09/12 9:48:00 PM
#148:


Well, yet another picture.
external image

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KanzarisKelshen
04/09/12 9:53:00 PM
#149:


That is...rather buxom. Also, isn't the hair color different, or am I just imagining things?

PS: Pic dump post time IMO

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04/09/12 9:55:00 PM
#150:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
That is...rather buxom. Also, isn't the hair color different, or am I just imagining things?

PS: Pic dump post time IMO


It is more buxom than my pic, yes. And okay, I'll do the pic dump now. Give me a moment.

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